"no no the japanese [B]are[/B] offended they don't know what they are talking about you are definitely being culturally innapropriate you swine"
this restores some faith in humanity
Cultural appropriation has to be one of the most retarded topics to take spin in social media ever.
The interviewees made a very good point; [I][B]culture fucking changes over time[/B][/I] and when two different cultures meet they affect one another, one doesn't just eliminate the other.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;51118027]Cultural appropriation has to be one of the most retarded topics to take spin in social media ever.
The interviewees made a very good point; [I][B]culture fucking changes over time[/B][/I] and when two different cultures meet they affect one another, one doesn't just eliminate the other.[/QUOTE]
Social media is a cesspool of ingrates with platforms to spew their self righteous bullshit.
Literally the worst thing about it.
I'll wear whatever I want. Just try and stop me. Cultural appropriation is just another form of white guilt. If you want to wear a kimono while wearing a grass skirt and simultaneously eat Indian food then I say go on ahead.
as a [del]white nationalist[/del] progressive i think [del]races[/del] cultures shouldn't be mixed
I honestly don't get this whole idea behind cultural appropriation because, if we follow that logic, everyone is culturally appropriating Americans by buying nice cars, eating fast food, listening to [I]sinful rap and rock music[/I], and dressing in jeans and designer shirts.
I have a yukata and it's comfy as fuck. Wear it all the time when I'm home, but I don't really take it with me out in public, partly because it's hard to clean, partly because it looks like I'm wearing a bathrobe.
Cultural appropriation is a load of bullshit and I'm thankful that these people don't care about it. But I wasn't surprised considering [URL="http://www.kimono-yukata-market.com/"]there are already Japanese businesses that specialises in exporting kimonos and yukatas abroad with the intention of spreading Japanese culture to the world.[/URL]
I love Japanese culture and really wish it was spread more around the world, not [B]JUST[/B] anime and weeaboo shit but their clothing, food and music.
I live in a small Kentish town, it's a complete dump that will be dead in a few years. And one day, no word of a lie i saw a Japanese women walking through town in her kimono dress and those wooden shoe things (that someone else can remember for me.)
It looked amazing and i couldn't help but stop and stare. It was an incredibly beautiful dress. (She likely came through with a bunch of other tourist.)
It's a shame wonderful and unique clothing like that isn't seen more often.
[QUOTE=croguy;51118237]I honestly don't get this whole idea behind cultural appropriation because, if we follow that logic, everyone is culturally appropriating Americans by buying nice cars, eating fast food, listening to [I]sinful rap and rock music[/I], and dressing in jeans and designer shirts.[/QUOTE]
And Americans are culturally appropriating everyone else by nature of being fucking America. Of all the places to get hung up on cultures taking from others it's the one which used to pride itself on being the world's mixing pot.
If you're an American who gets smashed on St. Patrick's Day and waves Irish flags you keep on doing it, because I'm sure as fuck not going to.
See what really confuses me about this, is how people don't flip their collective shit about the numerous other things that American culture has adopted from Japanese culture.
Few small examples:
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[B]*[/B] Americans have sorta fallen in love with Japanese methods of cooking. Sushi, Japanese BBQ, and Japanese smokehouse, are the first things which come to mind for me.
[B]*[/B] American fishermen have adopted several Japanese fishing methods, including the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenkara_fishing"]Tenkara[/URL] method of flyfishing.
[B]**[/B] The Japanese actually adopted numerous fishing reel designs from the United States, and later refined them to such a point that American fishermen prefer to use Japanese fishing lures and reels for fishing.
[B]*[/B] Japan's anime industry is sorta responsible for the revival of America's interest in adult animations.
[B]* [/B]Japan's culture has had a huge impact on America's film industry. Horror and monster flicks are the first movie types that come to mind.[/quote]
Having respect for another people's culture and wanting to replicate and possibly refine it, isn't in any form cultural appropriation. It's simply having a healthy interest in the study of other people's way of living.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51118323]
Having respect for another people's culture and wanting to replicate and possibly refine it, isn't in any form cultural appropriation.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what cultural appropriation is though. But cultural appropriation isn't inherently bad, but it [I]is[/I] sometimes a legitimate problem.
[QUOTE=croguy;51118237]I honestly don't get this whole idea behind cultural appropriation because, if we follow that logic, everyone is culturally appropriating Americans by buying nice cars, eating fast food, listening to [I]sinful rap and rock music[/I], and dressing in jeans and designer shirts.[/QUOTE]
You're allowed to do it to Americans because they're the oppressors. Or something.
Cultural appropriation to me sounds like old people's rants (such as tradition should never be altered) being recited by clueless young people. There is value in tradition but that doesn't mean it should be immune to change, that's the whole point of creating diversity within a culture. It's supposed to spread like the tree of life, you first started with one singular culture, little changes altered here and there, becoming a huge branch of unique cultural traditions. If you keep a tradition stagnant you run the risk of newer people just abandoning it. They (the newer people) cannot adapt it, they feel alienated from the culture/tradition so they go out and make a completely new tradition. Culture in a way is a perception, a collection of ideas by different people coming together toward a common meaning. The meaning is fluid and changes over time as the people change.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;51118384]You're allowed to do it to Americans because they're the oppressors. Or something.[/QUOTE]Yeah, its the stupid shit that says white people/americans have never created anything culturally significant of their own.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;51118027]Cultural appropriation has to be one of the most retarded topics to take spin in social media ever.
The interviewees made a very good point; [I][B]culture fucking changes over time[/B][/I] and when two different cultures meet they affect one another, one doesn't just eliminate the other.[/QUOTE]
I want cultural appropriation to stop existing
its massively racist for the sake of being not racist. the ultimate irony.
Really why do those criticising have the right to say anything when they are probably not even Asian? I think the performance is fine, just like people have said in the video even we cannot say very much since our culture has become further from its roots.
I feel like the phrase cultural appropriation has lost all meaning. I used to associate it with things like racist Halloween costumes, now it's just a blanket phrase for being offended by something a white person has done.
It's a term that originated to describe a form of culutral exchange, but has since lost all meaning due to overuse and misuse.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51118542]I want cultural appropriation to stop existing
its massively racist for the sake of being not racist. the ultimate irony.[/QUOTE]
To an extent there is a case for cultural appropriation, but that's only when the people from the originating culture are strictly against it, such as the Maori protection of the Haka dance. (Even then I'm not sure that's entirely the case)
This is however a very specific example, and in most cases I have to agree, the whole idea that people can't or shouldn't take concepts from another culture and apply it to themselves is insane.
Ken-sama would be crushed if he didn't die in the tsunami
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These are nice people
[QUOTE=Sharker;51118380]That's exactly what cultural appropriation is though. But cultural appropriation isn't inherently bad, but it [I]is[/I] sometimes a legitimate problem.[/QUOTE]
No, not really.
Unless you're invading a foreign land and forcing its natives "appropriate" your own culture in an effort to destroy theirs, no, there isnt a problem with being interested in other countries/peoples cultures.
Everyone who is against "cultural appropriation" is probably worried that the west might end up adopting based as fuck attitudes like the people interviewed in this video.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51118942]No, not really.
Unless you're invading a foreign land and forcing its natives "appropriate" your own culture in an effort to destroy theirs, no, there isnt a problem with being interested in other countries/peoples cultures.[/QUOTE]
Easy to dismiss when you aren't the one having your culture appropriated. You seem to think that appropriation can never be more than "being interested" in another culture, which is the entire problem to begin with. The type of appropriation that people have a problem with is uninformed/insensitive and sometimes downright malicious. For example, people wearing Native American headdresses, basically treating them as a fashion statement when they're actually considered sacred. I don't know about you but I'd call that pretty insensitive. I'll even throw in this article on the subject written by a Native American in case you think I'm pulling this out of my ass or something [url]http://nativeappropriations.com/2010/04/but-why-cant-i-wear-a-hipster-headdress.html[/url]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51118942]No, not really.
Unless you're invading a foreign land and forcing its natives "appropriate" your own culture in an effort to destroy theirs, no, there isnt a problem with being interested in other countries/peoples cultures.[/QUOTE]
you mean assimilation?
I guess the lesson is borrow from other cultures with respect and intelligence.
[QUOTE]See what really confuses me about this, is how people don't flip their collective shit about the numerous other things that American culture has adopted from Japanese culture.[/QUOTE]
There is a huge difference between borrowing something from another culture meant for mass consumption vs something that relies on context of said culture.
Did you know Japan Anime was inspired by the Walt Disney style? Yeah now its coming back to the US in it news form. With cooking thats to be expected. The big problem is with religion or philosophy. With the latter, its forcing assumptions upon ideas that didnt have them to begin with then corrupting them. Thus generating inaccuracies and subversion.
[QUOTE=Sharker;51119123]Easy to dismiss when you aren't the one having your culture appropriated. You seem to think that appropriation can never be more than "being interested" in another culture, which is the entire problem to begin with. The type of appropriation that people have a problem with is uninformed/insensitive and sometimes downright malicious. For example, people wearing Native American headdresses, basically treating them as a fashion statement when they're actually considered sacred. I don't know about you but I'd call that pretty insensitive. I'll even throw in this article on the subject written by a Native American in case you think I'm pulling this out of my ass or something [url]http://nativeappropriations.com/2010/04/but-why-cant-i-wear-a-hipster-headdress.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't really see how that is harmful. People profane sacred stuff all the time, I mean looking at Christianity alone you've got saying things like "goddamn", using Jesus imagery for multiple purposes that don't relate to religion, heck would you say that satanic death metal or similar cultures are problematic? They all consist in taking something from religion and transforming it into slurs, use it for commercial or humorous purposes, or deform it to integrate it into artistic pieces. Why would any of that be insensitive as long as it doesn't prevent those who consider those things sacred from expressing them the way they like?
If we weren't so open to exploiting and transforming religious material we wouldn't have stuff like Monty Python's Life Of Brian, and that would be a net loss.
No one here cares if you wear a Kimono, why is this even up for Discussion, how could you debate about something so fucking frivilous? Don't we have more important shit to worry about? Women getting killed or lit of fire in the mid east for stupid shit? Global Warming? Deciding which flavor of ice cream is the best? Anything really, Japanese don't give a fuck so why should anyone else?
[QUOTE=_Axel;51119358]I don't really see how that is harmful. People profane sacred stuff all the time, I mean looking at Christianity alone you've got saying things like "goddamn", using Jesus imagery for multiple purposes that don't relate to religion, heck would you say that satanic death metal or similar cultures are problematic? They all consist in taking something from religion and transforming it into slurs, use it for commercial or humorous purposes, or deform it to integrate it into artistic pieces. Why would any of that be insensitive as long as it doesn't prevent those who consider those things sacred from expressing them the way they like?
If we weren't so open to exploiting and transforming religious material we wouldn't have stuff like Monty Python's Life Of Brian, and that would be a net loss.[/QUOTE]
That's because Christianity is one of the most widely practiced religions in the world. Native Americans are a minority and get shit on pretty often I imagine. Basically it doesn't really matter if a minority appropriates a majority culture, nothing's really at stake of being lost.
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