Colorado Springs Police Department no longer requires fitness tests after discrimination lawsuit - Polidicks

[quote]Colorado Springs residents had a lot to say after hearing that Colorado Springs police officers will no longer have to take physical fitness tests this year. “I think it’s a mistake,” Mary Jo Piccin told CBS4’s Tom Mustin. “I think the police need to be able to chase down them criminals.”[/quote] [url]http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/11/10/female-springs-officers-win-lawsuit-no-longer-have-to-take-physical-fitness-tests/[/url] :terrists:

[QUOTE]Last Friday the Colorado Springs Police Department agreed to the demands of 12 female officers who filed a civil suit claiming the fitness tests are discriminatory. [/QUOTE] This is not discrimination. [QUOTE]“I think they should be mandated to be in fit condition to do the job,” [/QUOTE] How can anybody disagree with this? If its older people who work in the office this makes sense but it doesn't seem like this is the case.

not like they did it in the first place am i right haha...

Should clarify for people: They have suspended them pending the outcome of the federal court's decision... which could take a year or longer. Whats shocking is that their requirements (52 push ups/2min, 45 sit-ups/2min) is not difficult to achieve. What the real question here is if those over the age of 40 are physically fit to begin law enforcement. Its not like this test was a surprise to anyone. They knew what the requirements are long before they were tested. Hope the court sides with the city on this.

-snip, actually yeah, might have been an old age thing and not a male/female thing-

Lol, cause I would totally want a 250 LB fatass cunt that can barely even run to be my backup in case shit goes down.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49106392]Lol, cause I would totally want a 250 LB fatass cunt that can barely even run to be my backup in case shit goes down.[/QUOTE] I was assuming fitness tests were to keep the police force active but if this happens whats to stop someone of that weight or even larger from becoming a police but unable to walk because of their weight? I know in the US you've got a small percentage of the population that are trapped in wheel chairs because of that. Not entirely sure why? but they are.

[QUOTE=Passing;49106440]I was assuming fitness tests were to keep the police force active but if this happens whats to stop someone of that weight or even larger from becoming a police but unable to walk because of their weight? I know in the US you've got a small percentage of the population that are trapped in wheel chairs because of that. Not entirely sure why? but they are.[/QUOTE] I have no clue what you are trying to say.

[QUOTE=download;49106486]I have no clue what you are trying to say.[/QUOTE] In short. i'm saying that this opens the doors for people trapped in mobility scooters that aren't entirely fit.

[QUOTE=Passing;49106525]In short. i'm saying that this opens the doors for people trapped in mobility scooters that aren't entirely fit.[/QUOTE] But how useful can a person trapped in a mobility scooter be? Don't get me wrong but those things are slow as fuck. If someone stole something of mine on the street, and the only cop was a guy in a Mobility Scooter, I'd have a better chance getting the guy rather than the guy on the scooter. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Passing;49106440]I was assuming fitness tests were to keep the police force active but if this happens whats to stop someone of that weight or even larger from becoming a police but unable to walk because of their weight? I know in the US you've got a small percentage of the population that are trapped in wheel chairs because of that. Not entirely sure why? but they are.[/QUOTE] It's not just to keep them active, it's to make sure they are fit for any situation. Being an overweight cop isn't going to be as useful as a fit cop. One is faster, has more stamina and can go through tighter spots that the perpetrator may have missed. The other is slower, not as much Stamina as a fit person (thin even), and can't go through tighter spots that the perpetrator may have missed. And if the perpetrator didn't miss it, then the cop won't be able to go through it as they are overweight, but if it was a fit cop, he would.

[QUOTE=Passing;49106440]I was assuming fitness tests were to keep the police force active but if this happens whats to stop someone of that weight or even larger from becoming a police but unable to walk because of their weight? I know in the US you've got a small percentage of the population that are trapped in wheel chairs because of that. Not entirely sure why? but they are.[/QUOTE] Welcome to what we do in the military. You're a cripple? Not getting the job. You're a hefty dude who can't support and maintain his body to the very low levels desired by our organizations? Not getting the job. Sorry it defies their "dream" or whatever the fuck. But work in a field like the law enforcement or military by its very nature requires you to be physically capable of at least average levels of performance. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Passing;49106525]In short. i'm saying that this opens the doors for people trapped in mobility scooters that aren't entirely fit.[/QUOTE] AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously, if I was a crook and saw some 300LB fat fuck on a rascal trying to chase me down. I might just die from laughter on the spot. Fuck this equality shit, there is no such thing as equality among human beings. Some people are just better in various aspects than others. Some jobs will need and demand this superiority. That will not change, nor will it ever.

I know Nashville PD kept making their obstacle course easier and easier. So much so that one 50 year old officer said it had become such a joke that he'll run the entire thing with his hands in his pockets. And he did You have to be physically fucking fit to be a police officer, period. More and more PD's are making it easier and easier to not be which is a mistake. If you're a police officer, you're going to get into fights, and if you some twig you're not going to win. And you're going to be useless in assisting other officers in making arrests against people who resist. It's discriminatory against weaker people, because it should be.

This is what happens when people confuse equality of opportunity with equality of outcome. Everyone should be given the same chances but if you were born a legless retarded dwarf, you shouldnt be given a position just to make you feel better. The same goes for if you are born a weaker person, male or female. just because on average females are weaker doesn't magically excuse you. People need to be expected to find ways to live that suit themselves, and those people in extreme cases should and will get money to survive from government programs.

Believe it or not a lot of police departments have made the fitness test easier. While it still take fitness, it does not take as much. But on the flip side of that during academy they basically make you run and workout every day as a part of training. So the idea is at the end of academy you'll meet the requirement they actually want you to meet. I'm sorry, but if you're going to be an officer regardless of age you need to meet certain requirements. Its not only for your safety, but the safety of the community. It also helps eliminate liability, I can't believe these people are filing a lawsuit lol.

Heck, I'm out of shape and could do that many sit-ups in one minute if I tried hard enough

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49106392]Lol, cause I would totally want a 250 LB fatass cunt that can barely even run to be my backup in case shit goes down.[/QUOTE] Backup, no. Frontup, maybe.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;49108383]The same goes for if you are born a weaker person, male or female. just because on average females are weaker doesn't magically excuse you.[/QUOTE] The issue is that push-ups and sit-ups are pretty much universally considered to be poor tests of [i]practical[/i] physical ability. Sit-ups in particular are an exercise people only get good at through practice and repetition, and have little bearing on any of the day-to-day activity a soldier or policeman undergoes. The US military is currently undergoing revisions to physical fitness policies because the tests in place are not a sufficiently accurate gauge for physical ability and this disproportionately affects women. A woman could be a fit, active, capable candidate and still get DQ'd because women are, on average, much less capable of push-ups than men, a skill that really isn't critical to the job. I'm strongly in favor of objective testing and I'm strongly against mandating that standards be relaxed to meet a gender diversity quota. But if the testing criteria don't reflect actual practical concerns directly relevant to the job, then they need to be reexamined, and that's what's happening here. Having running tests is good, but push-ups and sit-ups are arbitrary as a means of testing. They'd probably be better off using the Cooper test for running and then doing scenario-based physical testing- whether a police officer has the strength to break down a door, carry another injured officer or civilian, or restrain an uncooperative suspect is a lot more relevant to the job than how many sit-ups they can do.

[QUOTE=mralexs;49108811]Heck, I'm out of shape and could do that many sit-ups in one minute if I tried hard enough[/QUOTE] You should try it, get your real number. I bet 12 at most even with your feet under the couch.

[QUOTE=Jitterz;49109571]You should try it, get your real number. I bet 12 at most even with your feet under the couch.[/QUOTE] Watch out. We've got a fatass over here.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49108920]The issue is that push-ups and sit-ups are pretty much universally considered to be poor tests of [i]practical[/i] physical ability. Sit-ups in particular are an exercise people only get good at through practice and repetition, and have little bearing on any of the day-to-day activity a soldier or policeman undergoes. The US military is currently undergoing revisions to physical fitness policies because the tests in place are not a sufficiently accurate gauge for physical ability and this disproportionately affects women. A woman could be a fit, active, capable candidate and still get DQ'd because women are, on average, much less capable of push-ups than men, a skill that really isn't critical to the job. I'm strongly in favor of objective testing and I'm strongly against mandating that standards be relaxed to meet a gender diversity quota. But if the testing criteria don't reflect actual practical concerns directly relevant to the job, then they need to be reexamined, and that's what's happening here. Having running tests is good, but push-ups and sit-ups are arbitrary as a means of testing. They'd probably be better off using the Cooper test for running and then doing scenario-based physical testing- whether a police officer has the strength to break down a door, carry another injured officer or civilian, or restrain an uncooperative suspect is a lot more relevant to the job than how many sit-ups they can do.[/QUOTE] Your capability to do pushups/situps seems to translate pretty well to overall strength in my experience. As in people who can't do the required amount are actually weak as fuck outside of those activities anyway, and those who can are acceptable. You are obviously not going to be doing pushups in the job, but the amount of exercise you can perform is indicative of your overall physical capabilities.