Are sex offenders and lads’ mags using the same language? - Polidicks

[release] [video=youtube;v4tQ9uMZyyI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4tQ9uMZyyI&feature=player_embedded[/video] Psychologists from Middlesex University and the University of Surrey found that when presented with descriptions of women taken from lads’ mags, and comments about women made by convicted rapists, most people who took part in the study could not distinguish the source of the quotes. The research due to be published in the British Journal of Psychology also revealed that most men who took part in the study identified themselves more with the language expressed by the convicted rapists. Psychologists presented men between the ages of 18 and 46 with a range of statements taken from magazines and from convicted rapists in the study, and gave the men different information about the source of the quotes. Men identified more with the comments made by rapists more than the quotes made in lads’ mags, but men identified more with quotes said to have been drawn from lads’ mags more than those said to have been comments by convicted rapists.The researchers also asked a separate group of women and men aged between 19 and 30 to rank the quotes on how derogatory they were, and to try to identify the source of the quotes. Men and women rated the quotes from lads’ mags as somewhat more derogatory, and could categorize the quotes by source little better than chance. Dr Miranda Horvath and Dr Peter Hegarty argue that the findings are consistent with the possibility that lads’ mags normalise hostile sexism, by making it seem more acceptable when its source is a popular magazine.Dr Horvath, lead researcher from Middlesex University, said: “We were surprised that participants identified more with the rapists’ quotes, and we are concerned that the legitimisation strategies that rapists deploy when they talk about women are more familiar to these young men than we had anticipated.”Due to concerns about their content, from February this year many major supermarket chains and petrol stations in the United Kingdom agreed to place lads’ mags on the top shelf, out of the eye line of children and some have installed modesty boards to hide front cover images.But the measures to protect children do not address the concerns born out by the findings of the research and Miranda Horvath, is concerned that lads’ magazine editors are not working hard enough to moderate the content of their magazines: "A lot of debate around the regulation of lads’ mags has been to do with how they affect children but less has been said about the influence they have on their intended audience of young men and the women with whom those men socialise." "These magazines support the legitimisation of sexist attitudes and behaviours and need to be more responsible about their portrayal of women, both in words and images. They give the appearance that sexism is acceptable and normal - when really it should be rejected and challenged. Rapists try to justify their actions, suggesting that women lead men on, or want sex even when they say no, and there is clearly something wrong when people feel the sort of language used in a lads’ mag could have come from a convicted rapist.” Dr Peter Hegarty, of the University of Surrey’s Psychology Department, added: “There is a fundamental concern that the content of such magazines normalises the treatment of women as sexual objects. We are not killjoys or prudes who think that there should be no sexual information and media for young people. But are teenage boys and young men best prepared for fulfilling love and sex when they normalise views about women that are disturbingly close to those mirrored in the language of sexual offenders?”He added that young men should be given credible sex education and not have to rely on lads’ mags as a source of information as they grow up.Anna van Heeswijk, Campaigns Manager for OBJECT, a human rights campaign group which campaigns against the objectification of women, said: "This crucial and chilling piece of research lays bare the hateful messages which seep out of lads' mags and indoctrinate young men's attitudes towards women and girls. When the content of magazines aimed at teenage boys mirrors the attitudes of convicted rapists, alarm bells must ring.“If we are serious about wanting an end to discrimination and violence against women and girls, we must tackle the associated attitudes and behaviours. This means tackling the publications which peddle them. The Leveson Inquiry is currently looking into the culture and ethics of the press. These disturbing findings unequivocally demonstrate the need for the portrayal of women to be included in the remit of this inquiry. Now is the time for action." ENDSNotes to editors:Both Dr Miranda Horvarth (Middlesex University) and Dr Peter Hegarty (University of Surrey) are available to interview and further comment • Contact Richard Hayward ([EMAIL="R.Hayward@mdx.ac.uk"]R.Hayward@mdx.ac.uk[/EMAIL], 020 8411 6761) at Middlesex University • Contact Howard Wheeler ([EMAIL="H.Wheeler@surrey.ac.uk"]H.Wheeler@surrey.ac.uk[/EMAIL], 01483 686 141) at University of SurreyThe study used quotes from the four UK lad’s mags with the highest circulation: FHM, Loaded, Nuts and Zoo, published between January and March 2010. (Circulation data from [URL="http://www.abc.org.uk/"]www.abc.org.uk[/URL])Quotes from convicted rapists from verbatim interview transcripts in the United States in the book: The Rapist Files: Interviews With Convicted Rapists by Sussman & BordwellOBJECT is a charity which challenges ‘sex object culture’ – the sexual objectification of women through lads' mags, lap dancing clubs or sexist advertising. [URL="http://www.object.org.uk/"]www.object.org.uk[/URL]The British Journal of Psychology is the flagship journal of the British Psychological Society with a successful publishing history spanning over 100 years and is renowned worldwide for its comprehensive approach to all areas of the psychology discipline. The British Journal of Psychology publishes original research on all aspects of general psychology including cognition; health and clinical psychology; developmental, social and occupational psychology. 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that's some sad fucked up shit.

I've never really seen the appeal of Zoo and all those other magazines. Not likes its fap material

That's only a little disturbing.

Reminds me of the time I was in line at a local 7/11. There was this awfully cheerful guy, really jittery that was standing in front of me. When he got to talk to the nice cashier lady, he seemed quite happy and even gave her a compliment. Though to myself, "It's nice to have polite people around." Decent looking young fellow until he blurted out, "A copy of Juggs and a Playboy please!" Almost spit my coffee

I bought a copy of some random sexual magazine. Pretty dull shit really, The internet has it for free, and if i need it on the go i can search it on my phone. 1st class masturbating.

[QUOTE=download;33714059]I've never really seen the appeal of Zoo and all those other magazines. Not likes its fap material[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;33714206]I bought a copy of some random sexual magazine. Pretty dull shit really, The internet has it for free, and if i need it on the go i can search it on my phone. 1st class masturbating.[/QUOTE] From the way these posts are worded, I get the impression that both of your distastes for them are due more to their inability to sexually gratify you, rather than their lurid and socially deleterious content, which personally seems disturbing to me.

[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;33714255]From the way these posts are worded, I get the impression that both of your distastes for them are due more to their inability to sexually gratify you, rather than their lurid and socially deleterious content, which personally seems disturbing to me.[/QUOTE] I prefer my porn to be more [I]interesting.[/I] Also, how did the middle part of my username escape and start posting?! [url]http://www.facepunch.com/members/69963-download[/url] [quote]rather than their lurid and socially deleterious content, which personally seems disturbing to me.[/quote] It's got tits'n'vaginas, not exactly the the worlds most lurid really.

you dont need to be sexist to rape someone

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33714193]Reminds me of the time I was in line at a local 7/11. There was this awfully cheerful guy, really jittery that was standing in front of me. When he got to talk to the nice cashier lady, he seemed quite happy and even gave her a compliment. Though to myself, "It's nice to have polite people around." Decent looking young fellow until he blurted out, "A copy of Juggs and a Playboy please!" Almost spit my coffee[/QUOTE] Why does that make him not decent? As if you don't look at porn!

Meh language isn't what makes a sex offender - its a whole different attitude lol

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;33714664]Meh language isn't what makes a sex offender - its a whole different attitude lol[/QUOTE] Language is used to help convey our thoughts and ideas, which also have the power to influence the types of choices that we make. Objectifying and demeaning women through the use of words may not directly cause physical harm, but it creates a perception in society's collective head that it's less taboo to abuse them, which can lead to a greater chance of them receiving such abuse in the future. Saying that "it's just language" does nothing but create an air of complacency.

Isn't rape more about power than the actual sex bit? I seem to recall reading studies where it said that rapists wanted to feel power over the victim they were raping.

This has been known for decades nice way of showing the similarity though [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Thaard;33714915]Isn't rape more about power than the actual sex bit? I seem to recall reading studies where it said that rapists wanted to feel power over the victim they were raping.[/QUOTE] it's complex sex can be a dominant act and rape is the logical result of the various sexist mechanisms in society

Only one of these magazines I've ever looked at was at a mate's house. Opened up to the center to notice the pages were stuck together like they had water damage or something. Never touched his magazines ever again...

:( but i dont want to be a rapist

[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;33714829]Language is used to help convey our thoughts and ideas, which also have the power to influence the types of choices that we make. Objectifying and demeaning women through the use of words may not directly cause physical harm, but it creates a perception in society's collective head that it's less taboo to abuse them, which can lead to a greater chance of them receiving such abuse in the future. Saying that "it's just language" does nothing but create an air of complacency.[/QUOTE] Rather than being a cunt I'm going to admit I was wrong and I thank you for clarifying the situation for me with your definitive and well thought out view.

The only time I've held a paper copy of a lads mag or anything similar, was when one got thrown at me when I was hanging out in a lassie's room after a party. Was quite hilarious browsing her porn collection on her laptop too. She didn't even seem embarassed.

I remember being on a ferry and there was a guy reading one of these next to his wife and daughter.

I don't know who has the guts to walk into a shop and buy a copy of nuts or zoo, I mean, what else are you going to do with it?

Lad Mags only exist because 15 year olds still buy them and take them into school

[QUOTE=samframpton;33719160]I don't know who has the guts to walk into a shop and buy a copy of nuts or zoo, I mean, what else are you going to do with it?[/QUOTE] articles

[QUOTE=samframpton;33719160]I don't know who has the guts to walk into a shop and buy a copy of nuts or zoo, I mean, what else are you going to do with it?[/QUOTE] You do realise it's not just scantily clad girls... I mean it's not even actual porn anyway, but they're more just general reading material for blokes really. (I'm talking about mags like Loaded and Nuts here, not Razzle or whatever IdontknowbecauseIdontreadthem)

It would be surprising since its the 'best case scenario' for fantasies of males. Most of the time those are pretty, dickish and egotistical to put it lightly. SO it wouldn't surprise the language is the same.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;33719202]Lad Mags only exist because 15 year olds still buy them and take them into school[/QUOTE] no one buys them where i go to school, they just talk about videos they saw on redtube from time to time

[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33716728]The only time I've held a paper copy of a lads mag or anything similar, was when one got thrown at me when I was hanging out in a lassie's room after a party. Was quite hilarious browsing her porn collection on her laptop too. She didn't even seem embarassed.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRD7VTSJ3so[/media] This.

-dat snip-

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;33716681]Rather than being a cunt I'm going to admit I was wrong and I thank you for clarifying the situation for me with your definitive and well thought out view.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/166053.png?garryis=awesome[/img]