No guns in here, Dundee hotel tells top Commonwealth shooter before calling the police - Polidicks

[QUOTE]As a professional shooter, Rachel Carrie is used to travelling all over the world for competitions with her shotgun in tow. But while competing in her native Britain at the Commonwealth Games she did not receive the usual warm welcome. Instead, the hotel she was staying at called the police. The 30-year-old was forced to spend almost four hours being questioned over the firearm, despite producing a shotgun certificate and telling them she was part of Glasgow 2014. Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2711425/No-guns-Dundee-hotel-tells-Commonwealth-shooter-calling-police.html#ixzz39KupDqGF[/url] Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook [/QUOTE] This is ridiculous.

With all the crazies going around shooting people for no reason, I can see people getting all sorts of anxious when someone comes carrying a shotgun.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45579685]With all the crazies going around shooting people for no reason, I can see people getting all sorts of anxious when someone comes carrying a shotgun.[/QUOTE] Not sure if sarcasm, this is in scotland.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;45579701]Not sure if sarcasm, this is in scotland.[/QUOTE] Hah, I once knew a farmer who got himself arrested in the car park of a Tesco for being drunk and waving around one of his shotguns whilst crying.

she's not really a proper athlete, she's just a model, she was brought in at the last minute I was literally working in the shooting ranges over this event and I still think she's dumb for expecting simply expecting a city hotel to let her keep a shotgun in her room. She stayed at a different hotel from the rest of the team and didn't inform the hotel she was staying at beforehand she'd be bringing the weapon.

I understand why the hotel did this. You have to have a shotgun certificate, she did, she did not however have a secure location to keep it in while its not in use. By secure location I mean a bolted to the ground gun cabinet.

[QUOTE=dunkace;45579896]I understand why the hotel did this. You have to have a shotgun certificate, she did, she did not however have a secure location to keep it in while its not in use. By secure location I mean a bolted to the ground gun cabinet.[/QUOTE] Don't want to risk having the maids think they can overthrow the establishment!

Well you would need a shotgun if you were in Dundee.

Can't see anything wrong with what the hotel did, can't believe someone would think they could just keep their shotgun in their hotel room

I love reading about guns in the UK... reminds me of how easy I really have it here.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45581712]I love reading about guns in the UK... reminds me of how easy I really have it here.[/QUOTE] The exact same situation would play out the exact same way in the US. If you're going to take a gun to keep in a public lodging like a hotel, you need to let them know you're going to fucking have it.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45581740]The exact same situation would play out the exact same way in the US. If you're going to take a gun to keep in a public lodging like a hotel, you need to let them know you're going to fucking have it.[/QUOTE] Not really.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45581712]I love reading about guns in the UK... reminds me of how easy I really have it here.[/QUOTE] Now imagine if it was even easier. :wink:

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45581740]The exact same situation would play out the exact same way in the US. If you're going to take a gun to keep in a public lodging like a hotel, you need to let them know you're going to fucking have it.[/QUOTE] I can assure you it plays out very differently in the US.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45581740]The exact same situation would play out the exact same way in the US. If you're going to take a gun to keep in a public lodging like a hotel, you need to let them know you're going to fucking have it.[/QUOTE] That is wrong, as long as you don't walk in holding the damn thing they won't mind, unless they say no guns allowed. I have a bit of experience with this. I was doing a police ride along and we responded to a call with a guy at a hotel with a gun. A lot of hotels don't mind as long as you follow the local and state laws on having firearms on your person. You don't have to tell anyone.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45581885]And if you asked any gun owner for his "certificate" they'd laugh at you and tell you to eat a bag of cocks.[/QUOTE] The certificates are pretty much equivalent to your licences that are required by most states (if I'm remembering right anyway) if you want to carry your weapon. Somebody asking you to prove that you're allowed to carry a fucking weapon is not that out of the question.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45582051]You need no license to carry any weapon, unless you are carrying concealed. Furthermore private businesses have no right to request your "license" if you're carrying concealed.[/QUOTE] So you do need a license to carry your weapon, in ways that are useful anyway, nobody is stupid enough to open carry all day every day so it's not like that's a good counter. But someone wanting you to prove that you're actually allowed to carry a weapon really isn't that out of the question. Making sure someone is actually competent enough to be carrying something that kills people with ease is not an absurd thing to do. They may not have the legal "right" to do it, but they can still do it if they want, after all, it's their business. It's not a discriminatory thing to not want firearms in your place of business with or without knowledge of them being there. This is a complete non-issue, someone didn't declare they had a lethal weapon on their person in a country where said weapons are restricted. They were at fault, there's no controversy to be had here at all.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45582091]So you do need a license to carry your weapon, in ways that are useful anyway, nobody is stupid enough to open carry all day every day so it's not like that's a good counter. But someone wanting you to prove that you're actually allowed to carry a weapon really isn't that out of the question. Making sure someone is actually competent enough to be carrying something that kills people with ease is not an absurd thing to do. They may not have the legal "right" to do it, but they can still do it if they want, after all, it's their business. It's not a discriminatory thing to not want firearms in your place of business with or without knowledge of them being there. This is a complete non-issue, someone didn't declare they had a lethal weapon on their person in a country where said weapons are restricted. They were at fault, there's no controversy to be had here at all.[/QUOTE] Calling the police on someone with a firearm who isn't brandishing it, has it in a carrying case and is otherwise acting responsibly with it isn't "making sure they're competent enough to be carrying it", it's an unreasonable reaction to something that wouldn't have caused a problem in the first place. I understand why it happened, people in the UK aren't used to being around firearms and they are restricted over there so people react differently. The lady should have thought about what she was doing, but that doesn't mean the teller didn't over react. He or she basically wasted the time and money of the local police agency to come in and inspect a licensed, competitive shooter who just happens to be a little forgetful and didn't think to inform the hotel she was staying at.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;45582218]Calling the police on someone with a firearm who isn't brandishing it, has it in a carrying case and is otherwise acting responsibly with it isn't "making sure they're competent enough to be carrying it", it's an unreasonable reaction to something that wouldn't have caused a problem in the first place. I understand why it happened, people in the UK aren't used to being around firearms and they are restricted over there so people react differently. The lady should have thought about what she was doing, but that doesn't mean the teller didn't over react. He or she basically wasted the time and money of the local police agency to come in and inspect a licensed, competitive shooter who just happens to be a little forgetful and didn't think to inform the hotel she was staying at.[/QUOTE] Having it in a carrying case isn't what I'd consider open or concealed carry considering it's in a case, it's not accessible enough to be used at a moments notice or anything. It's hidden from view. Sure everyone knows what that gun-shaped box contains, but it's in the box out of the way. Guys with their rifles slung over their shoulder, or who aren't being particularly courteous whilst carrying a pistol are a bit more of a concern, and it doesn't seem too far-fetched for someone who owns a business to ask if that person is actually meant to have that gun on them if they've managed to give away that they're concealing one. Calling the police over these things in the UK isn't too big a deal, it's what they're here for after all, making sure people aren't doing illegal shit like carrying unlicensed weapons around. She should have called the hotel in advance certainly, but the hotel reacting to someone turning up with a shotgun (something incredibly out of the ordinary) by calling the police isn't that much of an overreaction.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45582051]You need no license to carry any weapon, unless you are carrying concealed. Furthermore private businesses have no right to request your "license" if you're carrying concealed. Business actually have no right to ask if you're carrying or not.[/QUOTE] If you are on their property they can throw you out Also, I don't know with you, but if someone kept their license that private I would start to suspect they didn't have one.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45581740]The exact same situation would play out the exact same way in the US. If you're going to take a gun to keep in a public lodging like a hotel, you need to let them know you're going to fucking have it.[/QUOTE] Nope. I have taken concealed handguns to lodges and even if a maid finds out, the worse I'll get is them commenting on how nice and well kept my Makarov is. On hunting trips I have taken all sorts of weapons, and no one really questions it.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45582051]You need no license to carry any weapon, unless you are carrying concealed.[B] Furthermore private businesses have no right to request your "license" if you're carrying concealed. Business actually have no right to ask if you're carrying or not.[/B][/QUOTE] Yeah I am calling BS on that. Their property, they can deny you if they think you have a gun. [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45582374]Nope. I have taken concealed handguns to lodges and even if a maid finds out, the worse I'll get is them commenting on how nice and well kept my Makarov is. On hunting trips I have taken all sorts of weapons, and no one really questions it.[/QUOTE] Did she then wink at you?

The Mick Dundee hotel only accepts knives [img]http://edgetulsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/1343003229003.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45582319]Having it in a carrying case isn't what I'd consider open or concealed carry considering it's in a case, it's not accessible enough to be used at a moments notice or anything. It's hidden from view. Sure everyone knows what that gun-shaped box contains, but it's in the box out of the way. Guys with their rifles slung over their shoulder, or who aren't being particularly courteous whilst carrying a pistol are a bit more of a concern, and it doesn't seem too far-fetched for someone who owns a business to ask if that person is actually meant to have that gun on them if they've managed to give away that they're concealing one. Calling the police over these things in the UK isn't too big a deal, it's what they're here for after all, making sure people aren't doing illegal shit like carrying unlicensed weapons around. She should have called the hotel in advance certainly, but the hotel reacting to someone turning up with a shotgun (something incredibly out of the ordinary) by calling the police isn't that much of an overreaction.[/QUOTE] She had it in a carrying case. They had to ask her if she had a firearm with her, they would have known if she was open-carrying. It's probably just cultural differences. I find the whole thing bizarre because I've stayed at hotels with firearms when I'm traveling to gun shows (don't want them stolen out of my car, after all), and I never contact the hotel ahead of time. [QUOTE=gokiyono;45582330]If you are on their property they can throw you out Also, I don't know with you, but if someone kept their license that private I would start to suspect they didn't have one.[/QUOTE] You don't have to present a concealed carry license to anyone but the police. -snip- Actually, you're right, I looked it up and with the exception of a few states, a private business can refuse service to someone with a CCL.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45582537]No, no they cant. There are pretty specific criteria for ejecting someone from a business, legal carry of a weapon isn't one of them. Welcome to America.[/QUOTE] It varies from state to state. Some states allow businesses to chose, some states require businesses to serve CCL carriers.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45582537]Actually "their property, their rules" doesn't apply all of the time, generally you don't want them inquiring because we have this terrible thing called "soccer moms" who, even if you have a license, will constantly scream and cry to call the police, while harassing you about how you're going to kill their kids.[/QUOTE] Sure thing, but hotel staff are generally more professional at handeling such things than a soccer mom. Though as a person who aren't born into a gun culture, what harm does showing your license to hotel staff actually do?

[QUOTE=gokiyono;45582805]Sure thing, but hotel staff are generally more professional at handeling such things than a soccer mom. Though as a person who aren't born into a gun culture, what harm does showing your license to hotel staff actually do?[/QUOTE] There's no harm in it, it's just entirely their right to not show their license to every non-LEO that asks.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45582835]There isn't much harm, it's just that it's generally not an acceptable thing to do, and since they aren't LEO's you have every right to laugh and not show your license.[/QUOTE] Yeah but when you do that you are sending the wrong signal, especially to the soccer moms. And correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you able to call the police on those soccer moms?

[QUOTE=gokiyono;45582896]Yeah but when you do that you are sending the wrong signal, especially to the soccer moms.[/QUOTE] Which is why most people will present their license when asked. What's your point?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45582643]And in the states that allow businesses to chose, the business must have an extremely specific sign, featuring ordinance number. Such sign must meet size and location requirements as well. If all the sign says is "no firearms" and doesn't feature the ordinance number, it's completely unenforceable. Even then, most businesses worth visiting are considerate enough to not bother asking, as asking can (and usually does) lead to the inevitable encounter with the soccer mom, who doesn't believe in weapons, licensed or not, who will yell and scream and holler until someone calls the cops, which then leads to you having to talk to the cops. It's just annoying as fuck when you run into the inevitable soccer mom, and its even more annoying when it's caused by someone who's like "HEY CAN YOU CARRY THAT, IS THAT LEGAL".[/QUOTE] That call I went to at the hotel with the gun was because of someone doing just that... Wasn't a soccer mom though, no, it was two guys. They saw kids and cried wolf. The kids were the kids of the guy who had a gun. The guy with the gun was walking outside to retrieve something, and then the two anti gunners decided to start shit with him. The hotel staff was pissed because these two crybabies were driving away customers.