Scottish First Minister: Second Independence Referendum "Highly Likely". - Polidicks

[quote=BBC]Nicola Sturgeon said it was "democratically unacceptable" that Scotland faced the prospect of being taken out of the EU against its will. She said the Scottish government would begin preparing legislation to enable another independence vote. The UK as a whole has voted to leave, by a margin of 52% to 48%, prompting UK Prime Minister David Cameron to announce he would stand down by October. Scotland voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38%. The SNP manifesto for May's Holyrood elections said the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there was a "significant and material change" in the circumstances that prevailed at the time of the 2014 referendum, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against its will. At a news conference in Edinburgh, Ms Sturgeon said: "It is, therefore, a statement of the obvious that a second referendum must be on the table, and it is on the table."It looks "highly likely", says Nicola Sturgeon, that there will now be a second referendum upon Scottish independence.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36621030[/url]

So if that happens we get a new kingdom of England (wales + england) and possibly ireland reuniting?

Ugh get to fuck. I honestly don't get how it would work. The first referendum failed with only achieving 45% in favour. And a lot of those 62% are going to be No voters. Not to mention her party only speaks for around 25% of the Scottish electorate.

[QUOTE=dunkace;50593951]Ugh get to fuck. I honestly don't get how it would work. The first referendum failed with only achieving 45% in favour. And a lot of those 62% are going to be No voters. Not to mention her party only speaks for around 25% of the Scottish electorate.[/QUOTE] Because in the first Referendum a major point of the vote was EU membership, and the Pro-UK camp pretty much telling the Scots if they vote to leave they'll get kicked out of the EU. [thumb]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/608E/production/_90081742_indy7.png[/thumb] Well, 20 months later look at where we are; Scotland voted 62% to 38% to stay in the EU.

Since the first Scottish referendum this government has done nothing but shit on Scotland. I wouldn't blame them if they voted to leave after everything that's happened.

[QUOTE=dunkace;50593951]Ugh get to fuck. I honestly don't get how it would work. The first referendum failed with only achieving 45% in favour. And a lot of those 62% are going to be No voters. Not to mention her party only speaks for around 25% of the Scottish electorate.[/QUOTE] One major point was that if Scotland left the UK, they would also be leaving the EU, and Scotland didn't want to leave the EU. Now that Scotland is being forced out of the EU anyway, the major talking point for "Stay" is irrelevent. They stayed with UK to stay in EU, now they feel betrayed and are looking for ways to stay in EU with or without UK.

Plus the British economy is going to be shrink, our currency volatile, and we're tied to an increasingly irrelevant country? Why bother staying? Let's leave the sinking ship

If Scotland went independant or Ireland united I'd probably consider moving there. England's going to go to complete shit at this rate.

Well the EU can't oppress the UK if the UK didn't exist!

yeah scotland really should go independent so that they can rejoin the EU, I wish England could be independent from itself and rejoin it too

[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;50594390]yeah scotland really should go independent so that they can rejoin the EU, I wish England could be independent from itself and rejoin it too[/QUOTE] Can we just eject Cornwall, Essex etc?

Hang on, so many people have been saying that an EU referendum should not have been entrusted to the people. And so many people have said we have destroyed the UK economy by leaving. And now Scotland wants a referendum to leave the UK. The hypocrisy hurts.

[QUOTE=David29;50594473]Hang on, so many people have been saying that an EU referendum should not have been entrusted to the people. And so many people have said we have destroyed the UK economy by leaving. And now Scotland wants a referendum to leave the UK. The hypocrisy hurts.[/QUOTE] So that Scotland can join the EU. It's not the act of leaving that's important, it's leaving the EU that's the part people have a problem with

Celtic Union of Northern Ireland, Scotland and the Irish Republic when?

[QUOTE=Liem;50594486]So that Scotland can join the EU. It's not the act of leaving that's important, it's leaving the EU that's the part people have a problem with[/QUOTE] You do realise that it takes a significant period of time to join the EU - and that is assuming no countries uses it's veto to stop Scotland joining (i.e. Spain to dissuade it's own territories from declaring independence).

[QUOTE=David29;50594520]You do realise that it takes a significant period of time to join the EU - and that is assuming no countries uses it's veto to stop Scotland joining (i.e. Spain to dissuade it's own territories from declaring independence).[/QUOTE] I know it takes time to join the EU, but that's better than being latched to a country that shot itself in the foot

[QUOTE=David29;50594473]Hang on, so many people have been saying that an EU referendum should not have been entrusted to the people. And so many people have said we have destroyed the UK economy by leaving. And now Scotland wants a referendum to leave the UK. The hypocrisy hurts.[/QUOTE] Scotland remained in the UK because joining the EU would have been a huge issue. Now they've been forced out of the EU by England and Wales, so they want out of the UK to rejoin the EU.

[QUOTE=David29;50594520]You do realise that it takes a significant period of time to join the EU - and that is assuming no countries uses it's veto to stop Scotland joining (i.e. Spain to dissuade it's own territories from declaring independence).[/QUOTE] Except for that that we're already a part of the EU and want to retain that, apparently the ScotGov negotiations are already sounding somewhat promising on that tack.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;50594552]Except for that that we're already a part of the EU and want to retain that, apparently the ScotGov negotiations are already sounding somewhat promising on that tack.[/QUOTE] Doesn't change the fact that Scotland will be arguing in favour of the same ideals it was originally against.

[QUOTE=David29;50594742]Doesn't change the fact that Scotland will be arguing in favour of the same ideals it was originally against.[/QUOTE] Scotland stayed in the UK because they promised they would remain in the EU. Now that they have broken that promise it's only logical that they would quit the UK. I don't see where the hypocrisy is here. How about the hypocrisy of the UK which rejects the EU for "sovereignty" and "democratic representation" yet does so against the will of the majority of the Scottish and wants them to stay in the UK. Where exactly is that fair representation they're babbling about once it comes to Scotland?

[QUOTE=_Axel;50594847]Scotland stayed in the UK because they promised they would remain in the EU.[/QUOTE] Quote of proof? Bearing in mind the Scottish referendum took place after an EU referendum was promised...

[QUOTE=David29;50594862]Quote of proof? Bearing in mind the Scottish referendum took place after an EU referendum was promised...[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that was one of the key points of the "no" campaign during the former referendum. The idea that staying in the UK was the best way to stay in the EU, as opposed to having to become a member post-independence, which would take some time. Any chance you'll address the rest of the post, though? Namely the hypocrisy of the UK regarding this whole situation which you conveniently chose to ignore while railing on the Scottish for no substantiated reason?

[QUOTE=David29;50594862]Quote of proof? Bearing in mind the Scottish referendum took place after an EU referendum was promised...[/QUOTE] It was one of the key points made by the No campaign. Source: Am Scottish and was there.

Well they'd only survive as independent country by joining the EU because of handouts to keep them running anyway

[QUOTE=AimlessGiant;50595041]It was one of the key points made by the No campaign. Source: Am Scottish and was there.[/QUOTE] Aye me and aw, it was one of the major reasons for a lot of people to vote no.

[QUOTE=_Axel;50594972]Pretty sure that was one of the key points of the "no" campaign during the former referendum. The idea that staying in the UK was the best way to stay in the EU, as opposed to having to become a member post-independence, which would take some time. Any chance you'll address the rest of the post, though? Namely the hypocrisy of the UK regarding this whole situation which you conveniently chose to ignore while railing on the Scottish for no substantiated reason?[/QUOTE] For the first point, leaving the UK would have meant immediate exit from the EU - so they were correct in what they were saying. As for the second point, I think you need to further read up on how nations and referendums work. [QUOTE=AimlessGiant;50595041]It was one of the key points made by the No campaign. Source: Am Scottish and was there.[/QUOTE] Good, so you will easily be able to find a source to quote then?

[QUOTE=David29;50594473]Hang on, so many people have been saying that an EU referendum should not have been entrusted to the people. And so many people have said we have destroyed the UK economy by leaving. And now Scotland wants a referendum to leave the UK. The hypocrisy hurts.[/QUOTE] how the fuck else are you going to get independence?? go into parliament and say "hey guys we're leaving"? and maybe the best thing for keeping the union together wasn't for England to suddenly go "you know what guys, that shit that we were criticizing scotland for (the whole assuming that you can get the market benefits from the entity you just fucking left), yeah [I]we're just going to go ahead and do exactly that[/I]" it's like we told scotland to stop eating so much and then a few days later scotland finds england fucking guzzling shit from the biscuit tin

[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50595047]Well they'd only survive as independent country by joining the EU because of handouts to keep them running anyway[/QUOTE] I've seen you post this many times this has been brought up with no proof, Scotland contributes decently to the UKs GDP and would take control of a large portion of North Sea Oil if we were to leave. We would function decently as a smaller contributing member of the EU, and once the price of oil per barrel increases we would be even better off.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50595082]how the fuck else are you going to get independence?? go into parliament and say "hey guys we're leaving"? and maybe the best thing for keeping the union together wasn't for England to suddenly go "you know what guys, that shit that we were criticizing scotland for (the whole assuming that you can get the market benefits from the entity you just fucking left), yeah [I]we're just going to go ahead and do exactly that[/I]" it's like we told scotland to stop eating so much and then a few days later scotland finds england fucking guzzling shit from the biscuit tin[/QUOTE] So you agree that the EU referendum was reasonable then?

[QUOTE=David29;50595104]So you agree that the EU referendum was reasonable then?[/QUOTE] do you agree that it's actually insane to suggest that scotland should have gained its independence from the UK through the fucking UK parliament? do you agree that what England has just done is hypocrisy of the highest level, considering we just used exactly the same logic that we were against the scottish using 2 years ago??