• Millennials are more Racist than they Think
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[quote]News about race in America these days is almost universally negative. Longstanding wealth, income and employment gaps between whites and people of color are increasing, and tensions between police and minority communities around the country are on the rise. But many claim there’s a glimmer of hope: The next generation of Americans, they say, is “post-racial”—more tolerant, and therefore more capable of easing these race-based inequities. Unfortunately, closer examination of the data suggests that millennials aren’t racially tolerant, they’re racially apathetic: [B]They simply ignore structural racism rather than try to fix it.[/B] In 2010, a Pew Research report trumpeted that “the younger generation is more racially tolerant than their elders.” In the Chicago Tribune, Ted Gregory seized on this to declare millennials “the most tolerant generation in history.” These types of arguments typically cling to the fact that young people are more likely than their elders to favor interracial marriage. But while millennials are indeed less likely than baby boomers to say that more people of different races marrying each other is a change for the worse (6 percent compared to 14 percent), their opinions on that score are basically no different than those of the generation immediately before them, the Gen Xers, who come in at 5 percent. On interracial dating, the trend is similar, with 92 percent of Gen Xers saying it’s “all right for blacks and whites to date each other,” compared to 93 percent of millennials. Furthermore, these questions don’t really say anything about racial justice: After all, interracial dating and marriage are unlikely to solve deep disparities in criminal justice, wealth, upward mobility, poverty and education—at least not in this century. (Black-white marriages currently make up just 2.2 percent of all marriages.) And when it comes to opinions on more structural issues, such as the role of government in solving social and economic inequality and the need for continued progress, [B]millennials start to split along racial lines[/B]. When people are asked, for example, “How much needs to be done in order to achieve Martin Luther King’s dream of racial equality?” the gap between white millennials and millennials of color (all those who don’t identify as white) are wide. And once again, millennials are shown to be no more progressive than older generations: Among millennials, 42 percent of whites answer that “a lot” must be done to achieve racial equality, compared to 41 percent of white Gen Xers and 44 percent of white boomers. The most significant change has been among nonwhite millennials, who are more racially optimistic than their parents. (Fifty-four percent of nonwhite millennials say “a lot” must be done, compared with 60 percent of nonwhite Gen Xers.) And this racial optimism isn’t exactly warranted. The racial wealth gap has increased since the 2007 financial crisis, and blacks who graduate from college have less wealth than whites who haven’t completed high school. A new paper by poverty experts Thomas Hirschl and Mark Rank estimates that whites are 6.74 times more likely to enter the top 1 percent of the income distribution ladder than nonwhites. And Bhashkar Mazumder finds that 60 percent of blacks whose parents were in the top half of income distribution end up in the bottom, compared with 36 percent of whites. And even though the gaps within the millennial generation are wide, as with the Pew data, there is also evidence that young blacks are more racially conservative than their parents, as they are less likely to support government aid to blacks. Spencer Piston, professor at the Campbell Institute at Syracuse University, used ANES data and found a similar pattern on issues relating to economic inequality. He examined a tax on millionaires, affirmative action, a limit to campaign contributions and a battery of questions that measure egalitarianism. [B]He says, “the racial divide (in particular the black/white divide) dwarfs other divides in policy opinion. Age differences in public opinion are small in comparison to racial differences.”[/B] This finding is, he adds, “consistent with a long-standing finding in political science.” Piston finds that young whites have the same level of racial stereotypes as their parents. Sean McElwee is a research associate at Demos. Follow him on Twitter @SeanMcElwee.[/quote] [url=http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/millenials-race-115909.html#.VQGKLI7F8uv][img]http://www.politico.com/design/magazine/template/logo@2x.png[/img][/url]
I am not even remotely suprised to be honest.
Its important to note that this would be millennials in America and isn't representative of the rest of the world.
I don't doubt it. People today care more about seeming accepting than actually doing anything about the problems.
Sounds about right. I noticed that a lot of my peers care more about being friendly with anyone instead of trying to confront issues.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;47308132]Its important to note that this would be millennials in America and isn't representative of the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] Is the millennial generation 2001-2009? Or is it 2000-2010?
see: vines 75% of them are just "<race> people be like <stupid/funny action>"
I think this is partly due to ignorance. There's a lot of attitude that 'everything's okay now, racism is fixed' which is utterly untrue.
We were taught from an early age that Progress=Time when Progress is actually a combination of protest, collective action, voting, even rioting. Progress actually decays with time unless something is done to reverse it. We keep saying things will naturally get better in time when they are actually getting worse.
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;47308167]Sounds about right. I noticed that a lot of my peers care more about being friendly with anyone instead of trying to confront issues.[/QUOTE] The greatest problem with a lot of modern social justice movements, the real problems that the older movements actually rose awareness about and tried to fix are still here, but newer groups just don't pay them any attention and assume they succeed in fixing the institutional or societal racism/ sexism/ x-isms when in reality they haven't, maybe in some ways sure, but not totally like the half-hearted slacktivists of today think they have. Being nice to everyone is a pretty nice step in the right direction, but then refusing to pay attention to the bigger problems is just fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47308350]The greatest problem with a lot of modern social justice movements, the real problems that the older movements actually rose awareness about and tried to fix are still here, but newer groups just don't pay them any attention and assume they succeed in fixing the institutional or societal racism/ sexism/ x-isms when in reality they haven't, maybe in some ways sure, but not totally like the half-hearted slacktivists of today think they have. Being nice to everyone is a pretty nice step in the right direction, but then refusing to pay attention to the bigger problems is just fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] It's as much about self gratification than dealing with actual issues.
All fine and dandy, but let's say we take the year 2000 as the start of the "millennials" generation. What the hell are those kids gonna do about it? They can't vote. They can't decide who gets into a school and who doesn't. They can't make a police force any less rascist, They sure as hell can't "hire more black folks". Maybe i'm missing the point, but what the fuck are these ultimately 15 year old kids gonna do about it? And even next to that, lets say we take 1980 as the "start of the millennial generation". A lot of politicians are definately over 35 years old, so I wouldn't call them influential enough to really bring about a change either. To me this is like saying: "The older generation was rascist as shit and isn't fixing it. The younger generation isn't rascist but doesn't want to fix rascism." While they are unable to even do so? What's the point in this article? [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] Yes i'm slightly offended. :yarr:
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;47308425]All fine and dandy, but let's say we take the year 2000 as the start of the "millennials" generation. What the hell are those kids gonna do about it? They can't vote. They can't decide who gets into a school and who doesn't. They can't make a police force any less rascist, They sure as hell can't "hire more black folks". Maybe i'm missing the point, but what the fuck are these ultimately 15 year old kids gonna do about it? And even next to that, lets say we take 1980 as the "start of the millennial generation". A lot of politicians are definately over 35 years old, so I wouldn't call them influential enough to really bring about a change either. To me this is like saying: "The older generation was rascist as shit and isn't fixing it. The younger generation isn't rascist but doesn't want to fix rascism." While they are unable to even do so? What's the point in this article?[/QUOTE] Millennials are generally considered people born in the mid-80s to mid-90s, meaning people who were coming of age in the new millennium and are currently the youngest generational demographic in the workforce.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;47308425]All fine and dandy, but let's say we take the year 2000 as the start of the "millennials" generation. What the hell are those kids gonna do about it? They can't vote. They can't decide who gets into a school and who doesn't. They can't make a police force any less rascist, They sure as hell can't "hire more black folks". Maybe i'm missing the point, but what the fuck are these ultimately 15 year old kids gonna do about it? And even next to that, lets say we take 1980 as the "start of the millennial generation". A lot of politicians are definately over 35 years old, so I wouldn't call them influential enough to really bring about a change either. To me this is like saying: "The older generation was rascist as shit and isn't fixing it. The younger generation isn't rascist but doesn't want to fix rascism." While they are unable to even do so? What's the point in this article? [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] Yes i'm slightly offended. :yarr:[/QUOTE] It measures whether we're moving in the right direction as a society. Progress on such sweeping issues isn't measured in months, but in decades. It's a problem that the millennial generation is generally racially apathetic, at best, because it indicates that over the next twenty or thirty years, as the children, teenagers, and young adults of today grow up and assume greater responsibilities, that racism will likely continue to be a problem.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47308448]Millennials are generally considered people born in the mid-80s to mid-90s, meaning people who were coming of age in the new millennium and are currently the youngest generational demographic in the workforce.[/QUOTE] Seen multiple ways of defining it, but alright. I still don't get the article. "Just look at the numbers." The numbers say that people aren't really rascist, and haven't been so for a long time. At the same time the polls say all people are rascist; it's just that the white people don't see it as much? [quote=Crumbleshake]I think this is partly due to ignorance. There's a lot of attitude that 'everything's okay now, racism is fixed' which is utterly untrue.[/quote] Now this I can get, certainly this is a thing. Does that mean millenials are racist, though? Meh, maybe it was the article title that got me all worked up. [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47308456]It measures whether we're moving in the right direction as a society. Progress on such sweeping issues isn't measured in months, but in decades. It's a problem that the millennial generation is generally racially apathetic, at best, because it indicates that over the next twenty or thirty years, as the children and teenagers of today grow up and assume greater responsibilities, that racism will likely continue to be a problem.[/QUOTE] But then who is to blame for this apathy? Maybe millenials have the crazy idea that there's even bigger, worse, more threatning issues at the moment; then rascism. Does that make them more rascist?
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;47308475]Seen multiple ways of defining it, but alright. I still don't get the article. "Just look at the numbers." The numbers say that people aren't really rascist, and haven't been so for a long time. At the same time the polls say all people are rascist; it's just that the white people don't see it as much? Now this I can get, certainly this is a thing. Does that mean millenials are racist, though? Meh, maybe it was the article title that got me all worked up.[/QUOTE] [I]Why[/i] are you getting worked up? If you don't have racial prejudices, then a poll showing that many people do doesn't mean anything to you personally. All it proves is that that many people do, and I'm confused as to why you would take such great offense to that?
[QUOTE=catbarf;47308448]Millennials are generally considered people born in the mid-80s to mid-90s, meaning people who were coming of age in the new millennium and are currently the youngest generational demographic in the workforce.[/QUOTE] Still a lot of his points are valid, my generation will have less political infuence than any before for the foreseeable future because of many sociatal factors. The average 25 year old college grad today is working a help desk at a call center, living at home burdened with student debt. There is no spending power with my generation, there is massive enthusiasm but no real political clout, even net neutrality probably the most obvious millennial issue, was only passed because big tech firms came out for it. Millenials are going to be underemployed and pennyless for the forseable future thanks to a system that's screwed them over and weighted massively against them. The average age of a congressman is creeping closer and closer to collecting social security each year, the people in power are so far removed from millenials they don't see them
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;47308475]But then who is to blame for this apathy?[/QUOTE] Who can say? The research shows [I]that[/I] it exists, not [I]why.[/I]
In Vancouver at least I can see why. It's not like in the last 15 years the surrounding markets have been overwhelmed by foreigners to the point you have to leave the region to even afford a house.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47308484][I]Why[/i] are you getting worked up? If you don't have racial prejudices, then a poll showing that many people do doesn't mean anything to you personally. All it proves is that that many people do, and I'm confused as to why you would take such great offense to that?[/QUOTE] The article seems to be blaming millennials for the stagnation in equality among races. BUT you are right; I shouldn't feel personally attacked in any way; anyway.
But I'm not racist. I try to be a good man and not demean other races.
I agree; I find myself completely apathetic on racial issues, but I also think that people my age are apathetic in ALL aspects of politics because of a cynicism we have towards "xxxThA-sYsTeMxxx". Young people don't vote because we don't think our vote matters. We're focused on our own careers and education because we have no time for anything else lest we fall into debt
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;47308498]The article seems to be blaming millennials for the stagnation in equality among races. BUT you are right; I shouldn't feel personally attacked in any way; anyway.[/QUOTE] On a mass scale, sure, it's probably fair to blame the millenial generation on a bit of stagnation. As a society, we've taken a peekaboo approach. [I]"It doesn't exist if I'm not looking at it."[/I] That doesn't mean that we're all culpable on an individual level, though.
Reading the article, it just seems to be that it's both flawed and can be easily summed up in a single sentence. "If you disagree with my particular idea of how affirmative action should be handled, you're a racist." Which I now realise is just a paraphrasing of some dank shit Thomas Sowell said.
I don't like blacks and Muslims but this article is bullshit
[QUOTE=Jackald;47308519]I can understand the frustration; it's a frequent narrative that millenials like me are the cause of all the world's problems thanks to our political apathy and self-indulgent behaviour.[/QUOTE] tbh the apathetic stances a good majority of millennials (myself included really) have is a big problem that is contributing to problems in the world. Nobody wants to vote because we all feel wronged by the politicians, nobody wants to replace the politicians because "how can we beat them?", nobody wants to worry too much about the problems of other people because "what about [I]my[/I] problems?". Things wont change because nobody thinks things can change. If we worked together more and actually tried as a group, things could change, the millennial population is always growing, the older population is always shrinking.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47308545]If we worked together more and actually tried as a group, things could change, the millennial population is always growing, the older population is always shrinking.[/QUOTE] Maaaaan, now I DO feel guilty. What the hell just happened.
[QUOTE=Riutet;47308516]Reading the article, it just seems to be that it's both flawed and can be easily summed up in a single sentence. "If you disagree with my particular idea of how affirmative action should be handled, you're a racist." Which I now realise is just a paraphrasing of some dank shit Thomas Sowell said.[/QUOTE] How is this what you walked away from the article with? It only mentions disagreements in affirmative action policies as a fraction of a sentence in a footnote paragraph, and submits no particular policies as key points. It only states that our generation tends to smooth over or ignore racial issues, preferring to believe that they aren't as serious as they are or that they don't exist, rather than accepting them at face value and attempting to improve things. With no specific policies put forth as controversial points, and no particular courses of action suggested to help lessen the racial divide of the country, I'm awfully curious about how you reached your conclusion that this article was just a biased attack on people who don't support affirmative action in its entirety.
So generally the millenials aren't actually racist, they just view race as a non-issue. This, according to the article, means nothing will be done about structural racism. [I]On paper[/I], there are very few things which need to be done to end structural racism. The primary problem is removing the people with racist tendencies from power and authority. Given that everyone dies, the removal of the more racist previous generations will happen one way or another. The "structure" of society is comprised entirely of people. It is an conceptual construct that we reify into an object. The reality is that the structure is fragile and fluid. Changing the people, particularly the people in positions of authority, changes the structure.
I'm not suggesting that systemic racism isn't a major issue, because it is, I'm suggesting that it exists because the people in positions of authority have racist views. Not to suggest that human trafficking isn't also a serious issue. More slaves today than ever before.
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