Holocaust Debate. - General

-snip- Everyone just thinks I'm trolling and won't have a proper debate with me. I'll report this thread so a mod can delete it.

Not going to put my personal input in, but this thread probably will turn into a shitstorm, sorry to say so.

this guy seems legit

[QUOTE=CivilProtection;21917395]Not going to put my personal input in, but this thread probably will turn into a shitstorm, sorry to say so.[/QUOTE] Should I just ask for a mod to delete it then?

[QUOTE=Opinionated Guy;21917406]Should I just ask for a mod to delete it then?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that at all, I'm just saying that questioning the holocaust is bound to have accusations hurled at you, but don't worry, you aren't going to get banned, because your post wasn't racist or anything.

Anyone claiming that holocaust didn't happen or that the jews weren't gasses is a retard.

There's just so much evidence, testimonials etc. I don’t get how you can deny it.

[QUOTE=CivilProtection;21917418]I'm not saying that at all, I'm just saying that questioning the holocaust is bound to have accusations hurled at you, but don't worry, you aren't going to get banned, because your post wasn't racist or anything.[/QUOTE] Ok, thanks. I'll just see how it goes and if it goes bad then when I next visit I'll snip it and ask for it to be deleted. Thanks for your help. [QUOTE=starpluck;21917429]There's just so much evidence, testimonials etc. I don’t get how you can deny it.[/QUOTE] Some eyewitnesses claim there was NO EXTERMINATION and NO GASSING. Not only that, there are many eyewitnesses to UFO's. Do aliens abduct people and replace their brains? Didn't think so. Please show me which eyewitness(es) forced you to believe Jews were gassed and millions were killed in a planned extermination.

How the fuck can you think that it didnt happen?

[QUOTE=starpluck;21917429]There's just so much evidence, testimonials etc. I don’t get how you can deny it.[/QUOTE] The jews obviously did it.

Well you have yet to bring forward proof of your claims, OP

[QUOTE=Opinionated Guy;21917382]Simply, I find the claim that Jews were exterminated rather ridiculous and unsupported. Now, they were mistreated and targeted, yes. But gassed? No fucking way. My reasons for this are as follows: The gas chambers as claimed are scientifically/physically impossible. The alleged mass graves have not been excavated and shown to contain the number of bodies claimed to exist there (Often there is not enough space POSSIBLE to fit the bodies claimed). There is no order given by Hitler, Himmler, or any Nazi official to exterminate, gas, or slaughter Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc. There are aerial photos that have been obviously tampered (People walking on buildings?) and there are documents proven to be fraudulent as well as mistranslated and/or quoted out of context. Chemical residue on the walls of the [alleged] gas chambers is in too small a quantity to have been used to gas hundreds or thousands of people. [/quote] [quote]Holocaust deniers say that Zyklon B gas was not used in the gas chambers, relying as evidence on the low levels of Prussian blue residue in samples of the gas chambers found by Fred A. Leuchter, which Leuchter dismissed as the results of general delousing of buildings. Leuchter's negative control, a sample of gasket material taken from a different building in the camp, registered as having no such cyanide residue.[23] The manager of the analytical laboratory hired by Leuchter states in an interview in Errol Morris' film Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., that Leuchter's thick samples of brick would have greatly diluted the cyanide residue, which forms only an extremely fine layer on the walls and cannot penetrate. [B]In 1994, the Institute for Forensic Research in Kraków re-examined this claim on the grounds that formation of Prussian blue by exposure of bricks to cyanide is not a highly probable reaction [24]. Using more sophisticated microdiffusion techniques, they tested 22 samples from the gas chambers, delousing chambers (as positive controls), and living quarters (as negative controls), [highlight]finding cyanide residue in both the delousing chambers and the ruins of the gas chambers but none in the ruins of the living quarters.[/highlight][25][/B] [/quote] [url]http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml[/url] Also, they cremated bodies. No mass graves needed for that.

So what about the thousands of people who lost relatives in concentration camps?

lol lolol lolololololololololol May i just say as a history major lolololololoolololololololololololololol

Just realized that this guy joined just to post this. Troll?

Here is your proof you sick fuck. [img]http://www.thehotjoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/holocaustremnants2.gif[/img] [img]http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/krakow/krkw_pix/ghetto/101105_104_b.gif[/img] [img]http://www.rjgeib.com/biography/europe/germany/berlin2.jpg[/img] [img][/img]

Also, you ever talked to A Holocaust Survivor? I have. Tell me it wasn't real after he tells you the story of the Nazi officer picking a baby up by the heels and slamming him into a wall, then shooting his fleeing sibling

[QUOTE=Dr.Strangelove;21917463] [img]http://www.rjgeib.com/biography/europe/germany/berlin2.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] Not jews. Those are Germans being DISGUISED as jews to look authentic.

[QUOTE=Atl4s;21917435]The jews obviously did it.[/QUOTE] Quit trolling.

[QUOTE=noctune9;21917444]So what about the thousands of people who lost relatives in concentration camps?[/QUOTE] A Jew can "Disappear" if they say they're not a Jew, and if they change their name. If you searched a "Itzhak Rudnicki" and found nobody living with that name today, some would say he was gassed or killed someway. But in all actuality, he changed his name to Yitzhak Arad, immigrated to Palestine, and wrote books on the Holocaust. This basically covers anyone that was lost and never recovered.

[IMG]http://imgur.com/pWB7C.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://imgur.com/3UXqX.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://imgur.com/NJQcD.jpg[/IMG] just saying

"trolololo" -Opinionated Guy

but it did happen what about all those pictures?

[QUOTE=Opinionated Guy;21917432]Ok, thanks. I'll just see how it goes and if it goes bad then when I next visit I'll snip it and ask for it to be deleted. Thanks for your help. Some eyewitnesses claim there was NO EXTERMINATION and NO GASSING. Not only that, there are many eyewitnesses to UFO's. Do aliens abduct people and replace their brains? Didn't think so. Please show me which eyewitness(es) forced you to believe Jews were gassed and millions were killed in a planned extermination.[/QUOTE] There are pictures. And there are people who had relatives in the holocaust.

[QUOTE=Opinionated Guy;21917479]A Jew can "Disappear" if they say they're not a Jew, and if they change their name. If you searched a "Itzhak Rudnicki" and found nobody living with that name today, some would say he was gassed or killed someway. But in all actuality, he changed his name to Yitzhak Arad, immigrated to Palestine, and wrote books on the Holocaust. This basically covers anyone that was lost and never recovered.[/QUOTE] You must be trolling. No one can conceivably be this retarded/ignorant.

Every single fucking major event in history was faked or was a conspiracy.

[QUOTE=Opinionated Guy;21917479]A Jew can "Disappear" if they say they're not a Jew, and if they change their name. If you searched a "Itzhak Rudnicki" and found nobody living with that name today, some would say he was gassed or killed someway. But in all actuality, he changed his name to Yitzhak Arad, immigrated to Palestine, and wrote books on the Holocaust. This basically covers anyone that was lost and never recovered.[/QUOTE] Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Oh, the things white supremicist, neo-nazis and racists believe.

[QUOTE=Opinionated Guy;21917479]A Jew can "Disappear" if they say they're not a Jew, and if they change their name. If you searched a "Itzhak Rudnicki" and found nobody living with that name today, some would say he was gassed or killed someway. But in all actuality, he changed his name to Yitzhak Arad, immigrated to Palestine, and wrote books on the Holocaust. This basically covers anyone that was lost and never recovered.[/QUOTE] Ahahaha. So in the middle of a fucking war the entire population of Jews would emigrate to a middle eastern country without anybody noticing? Edit: Atl4s ninja'd my laughter. :saddowns:

[QUOTE=Opinionated Guy;21917432]Ok, thanks. I'll just see how it goes and if it goes bad then when I next visit I'll snip it and ask for it to be deleted. Thanks for your help. Some eyewitnesses claim there was NO EXTERMINATION and NO GASSING. Not only that, there are many eyewitnesses to UFO's. Do aliens abduct people and replace their brains? Didn't think so. Please show me which eyewitness(es) forced you to believe Jews were gassed and millions were killed in a planned extermination.[/QUOTE] i'll take the words of several starved tortured jews, United States Army liberators, Red liberators, UK liberators, Nazi testimonies, and etc. over your words. i'll also take the words of well respected war journalists [b]" Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which ... The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them ... Babies had been born here, tiny wizened things that could not live ... A mother, driven mad, screamed at a British sentry to give her milk for her child, and thrust the tiny mite into his arms ... He opened the bundle and found the baby had been dead for days. This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life."[/b] - Richard Demsly and my favorite journalist, someone who didn't have time for bullshit [b]There surged around me an evil-smelling stink, men and boys reached out to touch me. They were in rags and the remnants of uniforms. Death already had marked many of them, but they were smiling with their eyes. I looked out over the mass of men to the green fields beyond, where well-fed Germans were ploughing.... [I] asked to see one of the barracks. It happened to be occupied by Czechoslovaks. When I entered, men crowded around, tried to lift me to their shoulders. They were too weak. Many of them could not get out of bed. I was told that this building had once stabled 80 horses. There were 1200 men in it, five to a bunk. The stink was beyond all description. They called the doctor. We inspected his records. There were only names in the little black book — nothing more — nothing about who had been where, what he had done or hoped. Behind the names of those who had died, there was a cross. I counted them. They totaled 242 — 242 out of 1200, in one month. As we walked out into the courtyard, a man fell dead. Two others, they must have been over 60, were crawling toward the latrine. I saw it, but will not describe it. In another part of the camp they showed me the children, hundreds of them. Some were only 6 years old. One rolled up his sleeves, showed me his number. It was tattooed on his arm. B-6030, it was. The others showed me their numbers. They will carry them till they die. An elderly man standing beside me said: “The children — enemies of the state!” I could see their ribs through their thin shirts.... We went to the hospital. It was full. The doctor told me that 200 had died the day before. I asked the cause of death. He shrugged and said: “tuberculosis, starvation, fatigue and there are many who have no desire to live. It is very difficult.” He pulled back the blanket from a man's feet to show me how swollen they were. The man was dead. Most of the patients could not move. I asked to see the kitchen. It was clean. The German in charge....showed me the daily ration. One piece of brown bread about as thick as your thumb, on top of it a piece of margarine as big as three sticks of chewing gum. That, and a little stew, was what they received every 24 hours. He had a chart on the wall. Very complicated it was. There were little red tabs scattered through it. He said that was to indicate each 10 men who died. He had to account for the rations and he added: “We're very efficient here.” We proceeded to the small courtyard. The wall adjoined what had been a stable or garage. We entered. It was floored with concrete. There were two rows of bodies stacked up like cordwood. They were thin and very white. Some of the bodies were terribly bruised; though there seemed to be little flesh to bruise. Some had been shot through the head, but they bled but little. I arrived at the conclusion that all that was mortal of more than 500 men and boys lay there in two neat piles. There was a German trailer, which must have contained another 50, but it wasn't possible to count them. The clothing was piled in a heap against the wall. It appeared that most of the men and boys had died of starvation; they had not been executed. But the manner of death seemed unimportant. Murder had been done at Buchenwald. God alone knows how many men and boys have died there during the last 12 years. Thursday, I was told that there were more than 20,000 in the camp. There had been as many as 60,000. Where are they now? I pray you to believe what I have said about Buchenwald. I reported what I saw and heard, but only part of it. For most of it, I have no words. If I have offended you by this rather mild account of Buchenwald, I'm not in the least sorry.... [/b] - Edward R. Murrow[/QUOTE]

>I fail to see how you could argue that the gas chambers did not exist. The obviously did. They obviously didn't, Homicidal ones anyway. Delousing chambers did.