• Corbyn biggest threat to Falklands, claims Fallon
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[img]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/8AE8/production/_88306553_88306551.jpg[/img] [B]Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has claimed Jeremy Corbyn is a bigger threat to the Falklands than Argentina.[/B] [quote] Mr Fallon, who is visiting the Islands, was referring to the Labour leader's recent suggestion the UK and Argentina should discuss their future. Labour said his comments were "silly" and that Mr Corbyn was committed to "self-determination" for the islanders. And Falklands Legislative Assembly chairman Michael Summers said he did not think Mr Corbyn was a threat. In his visit, Mr Fallon also confirmed the Ministry of Defence would spend £180m on the islands' defences over the next decade, and laid a wreath at the memorial in Port Stanley to the 255 UK service personnel who died helping restore British control following the Argentine invasion in 1982. It is the first visit by a UK defence secretary in more than a decade. [B]'Reasonable accommodation' [/B] The BBC's defence correspondent Jonathan Beale said there were fears that the visit "could inflame tensions with Argentina" but Mr Fallon said he hoped relations would improve under President Mauricio Macri - Argentina's new leader. But Mr Fallon insisted there would be no negotiation about the Falkland Islands' future. And he targeted Mr Corbyn's suggestion last month that Britain should reach a "reasonable accommodation" with Argentina over the Falklands. "The biggest threat at the moment isn't Argentina actually, it is Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party," Mr Fallon told the BBC. When it was put to him that Mr Corbyn had not suggested the UK should give up the Falklands, he added: "No, but he's said that the rights of islanders can't... hold up that kind of dialogue." [B]Not a threat[/B] Labour sources said the future of the Falkland Islands was not being actively considered by the party and Mr Corbyn had been responding to a question from the BBC's Andrew Marr. In the January 17 interview with Andrew Marr, Mr Corbyn added: "It seems to me ridiculous that in the 21st century we'd be getting into some enormous conflict with Argentina about the islands just off it. "Yes, of course the islanders have an enormous say in this, let's bring about some sensible dialogue. It happened before, I'm sure it can happen again." Mr Summers said Argentina was "undoubtedly" the biggest threat to the Falklands. He added: "Mr Corbyn has his views and we have invited him to listen to islanders so he properly understands modern developments in the Falklands and our way of life." He added: "But I do not think he is a threat." [t]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10018/production/_88306556_88306554.jpg[/t] -Mr Fallon laid a wreath at the memorial in Port Stanley The Falkland Islands are an isolated and sparsely-populated British overseas territory in the south-west Atlantic Ocean They remain the subject of a sovereignty dispute between Britain and Argentina, which waged a brief but bitter war over the territory in 1982 Argentine forces landed on the Falklands on 2 April 1982 to stake a territorial claim, but by 14 June they had been ejected by a British military task force The fighting cost the lives of 655 Argentine and 255 British service personnel Argentina says it has a right to the islands, which it calls the Malvinas, because it inherited them from the Spanish crown in the early 1800s It has also based its claim on the islands' proximity to the South American mainland Britain rests its case on its long-term administration of the Falklands and on the principle of self-determination for the islanders, who are almost all of British descent [/quote] Read more: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35593095[/url]
With his utter defeatist commentary and pandering to the Argentineans I can believe that.
keep selling weapons to saudis, fallon
[QUOTE=download;49758619]With his utter defeatist commentary and pandering to the Argentineans I can believe that.[/QUOTE] I, also. I'm not sure if he noticed but we won the dispute and lives were spent on both sides to achieve this decision. I doubt Argentine forces would ever land on the Falklands again, and like the article says [quote] for the islanders, who are almost all of British descent[/quote] What is the point of this shit?
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758630]I, also. I'm not sure if he noticed but we won the dispute and lives were spent on both sides to achieve this decision. I doubt Argentine forces would ever land on the Falklands again, and like the article says What is the point of this shit?[/QUOTE] He's just your standard aging hippie who opposes anything the government supports on principle.
[QUOTE=download;49758637]He's just your standard aging hippie who opposes anything the government supports on principle.[/QUOTE] No doubt there. It's pretty dangerous as even the act of him suggesting there should be more talks, if I were Argentinian, would cause the re-ignition of optimism over reclaiming LAS MALVINAS politically and under Corbyn's leadership, so I'm going to subsidize the Labour party in the UK.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758645]No doubt there. It's pretty dangerous as even the act of him suggesting there should be more talks, if I were Argentinian, would cause the re-ignition of optimism over reclaiming LAS MALVINAS politically and under Corbyn's leadership, so I'm going to subsidize the Labour party in the UK.[/QUOTE]he was asked a question and answered it, it's not like he's going out of his way to mention the falklands.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49758650]he was asked a question and answered it, it's not like he's going out of his way to mention the falklands.[/QUOTE] Actually, you're wrong as he does bring it up very often and with worrying expressions: [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12160972/From-Trident-to-the-Falklands-Jeremy-Corbyn-is-still-fighting-the-battle-of-the-1980s.html[/url] [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/john-prescott-blasts-bbc-interview-7194033[/url] [B]Jeremy Corbyn wants a Northern Ireland-style 'power sharing' deal for the Falklands[/B] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12117755/Jeremy-Corbyn-wants-a-Northern-Ireland-style-power-sharing-deal-for-the-Falklands.html[/url] [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/636427/David-Cameron-Jeremy-Corbyn-PMQs-Falklands-talks-Argentina[/url]
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758668]Actually, you're wrong as he does bring it up very often and with worrying expressions: [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12160972/From-Trident-to-the-Falklands-Jeremy-Corbyn-is-still-fighting-the-battle-of-the-1980s.html[/url] [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/john-prescott-blasts-bbc-interview-7194033[/url] [B]Jeremy Corbyn wants a Northern Ireland-style 'power sharing' deal for the Falklands[/B] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12117755/Jeremy-Corbyn-wants-a-Northern-Ireland-style-power-sharing-deal-for-the-Falklands.html[/url] [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/636427/David-Cameron-Jeremy-Corbyn-PMQs-Falklands-talks-Argentina[/url][/QUOTE]uh, those are all about the andrew marr interview
[quote]Argentina’s outgoing ambassador in London, Alicia Castro, says Jeremy Corbyn wants a deal which would allow her country and Britain to govern over the islands together[/quote] lol [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=benzi2k7;49758671]uh, those are all about the andrew marr interview[/QUOTE] No they're not. Stop.
I don't get it. Is he just suggesting to share the islands? If he calls for a vote on it then it should be ok, there's two pretty huge landmasses anyways. I honestly couldn't give a shit about the islands. The entire education system here riles you up 24/7 on it and, okay, it was on the sea platform and it was indeed kind of rude that Britain just swooped in and took it, but what are you gonna do about it? Clearly you can't take it by force. Might aswell just lay the fuck off already.
They're a bunch of shitty foggy damp rocks in the atlantic, of course they're british. Anybody who says that any form of accommodation should be sought with Argentina over it is as unreasonable as the Argentines. It would be like France demanding Manchester because some French people once lived there 150 years ago. The Falklands war in itself was one of the more childish and pointless conflicts in recent history.
The only way Argentina can gain any form of control over the Falklands is if they take it by force. And we've already seen what happens when they try that. The fact that Corbyn would ever even contemplate the idea of selling out the Islanders to Argentina for thirty pieces of silver is sickening to the extreme.
I see Fallon is taking a leaf from the Conservative's book. Not that what he says isn't true, of course. Corbyn is the biggest threat to the Falklands. In any case, there was a vote recently in the Falklands and it was pretty decisively decided they would stay British. Not to mention, not far of 100% of the Falkland Island's residents consider themselves to be British.
[QUOTE=MrHeadHopper;49758684]I don't get it. Is he just suggesting to share the islands? If he calls for a vote on it then it should be ok, there's two pretty huge landmasses anyways. I honestly couldn't give a shit about the islands. The entire education system here riles you up 24/7 on it and, okay, it was on the sea platform and it was indeed kind of rude that Britain just swooped in and took it, but what are you gonna do about it? Clearly you can't take it by force. Might aswell just lay the fuck off already.[/QUOTE] Yeah, he wants to share governance over the islands and if the islanders so desire -give the islands back to Argentina. It's a nice thing to do in a perfect world where everybody loves each other and all of the Islanders are Argentinian but in today's world of high instability it's hardly a wise subject to just keep bringing to the table when there's other shit going on in the world and the population are of mostly British descent anyway so we might aswell also give Canada back to the natives while we're at it.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758672]No they're not. Stop.[/QUOTE] 1st link: "Corbyn goes straight onto the BBC and speaks his brain. For instance, on the Falklands, he told Andrew Marr" 2nd link: literally about the interview 4th link: "At the weekend, the Labour leader claimed it was “ridiculous” the UK was still in dispute with the Argentina over the British overseas territory as he demanded “sensible dialogue” over the islands." the third one is in reference to this [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11863351/Argentina-Jeremy-Corbyn-is-one-of-ours-when-it-comes-to-Falkland-Islands-dispute.html[/URL] all he said is he wants (not even wants, just suggested that's what it should be if the issue comes up) a dialogue and if the argentians are still taking issue with it, then surely an official dialogue with majority input from the islanders is a good way to go about it? they took a referendum, yes, but the then argentianian government rejected. seems smart to fully settle it, especially because it's very easy to show the right to british control.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49758685]The Falklands war in itself was one of the more childish and pointless conflicts in recent history.[/QUOTE] It was from the perspective of Argentina - the UK on the other hand cannot be called childish for carrying out its duty of providing defence for it's overseas territories. It is obliged to do so.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49758685]They're a bunch of shitty foggy damp rocks in the atlantic, of course they're british. Anybody who says that any form of accommodation should be sought with Argentina over it is as unreasonable as the Argentines. It would be like France demanding Manchester because some French people once lived there 150 years ago. The Falklands war in itself was one of the more childish and pointless conflicts in recent history.[/QUOTE] Defending your territory from invasion isn't pointless.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49758705]1st link: "Corbyn goes straight onto the BBC and speaks his brain. For instance, on the Falklands, he told Andrew Marr" 2nd link: literally about the interview 4th link: "At the weekend, the Labour leader claimed it was “ridiculous” the UK was still in dispute with the Argentina over the British overseas territory as he demanded “sensible dialogue” over the islands." the third one is in reference to this [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11863351/Argentina-Jeremy-Corbyn-is-one-of-ours-when-it-comes-to-Falkland-Islands-dispute.html[/url] all he said is he wants a dialogue and if the argentians are still taking issue with it, then surely an official dialogue with majority input from the islanders is a good way to go about it? they took a referendum, yes, but the then argentianian government rejected. seems smart to fully settle it, especially because it's very easy to show the right to british control.[/QUOTE] Spot the staunch Corbyn supporter. The first two are about the interview. I'm not here to hold your fucking hand through going to Google and typing in "Corbyn Falklands", because I grabbed the first four links to show how abundant the material on it is because you're clutching at straws like fuck. In the fourth link that's literally [B]only[/B] the opening line and then the rest of it is content you probably didn't even bother to read. That pisses me off so much. Choosing to be politically and logically numb because you support a candidate. There should be no dialogue, we won the war, the people identify as British, what's to talk about? Does the USA hold a summit with the Native Americans? This whole thing going on in this decade is ridiculous as fuck. [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49758719]Defending your territory from invasion isn't pointless.[/QUOTE] Hell yeah, I have family who fought in the Falklands and I respect them like fuck for that. The soldiers who gave their lives to defending our sovereign territory should not have died in vain in the name of an aging Grateful Dead roadie who's suddenly decided to flip the table
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758720]Spot the staunch Corbyn supporter. The first two are about the interview. I'm not here to hold your fucking hand through going to Google and typing in "Corbyn Falklands", because I grabbed the first four links to show how abundant the material on it is because you're clutching at straws like fuck. In the fourth link that's literally [B]only[/B] the opening line and then the rest of it is content you probably didn't even bother to read. That pisses me off so much. Choosing to be politically and logically numb because you support a candidate. There should be no dialogue, we won the war, the people identify as British, what's to talk about? Does the USA hold a summit with the Native Americans? This whole thing going on in this decade is ridiculous as fuck.[/QUOTE]??? i don't really think there should be a dialogue but it was his answer to a question randomly brought up by marr. "In the fourth link that's literally only the opening line and then the rest of it is content you probably didn't even bother to read." half of the article is specifically about his comments in the interview, with the other half being about Mauricio Macri but keep on being an aggressive dick to me what the hell the islands are used in argentina as a distraction issue, Jeremy was randomly asked a question by Marr about it and gave a sensible response. if there's an issue, raised by the argentianians, have a sensible dialogue about it. as in to ratify it once and for all because they seemingly keep bringing up the issue. i said all your links were basically the same thing and then you go on a huge rant about me being some number one corbyn support wtf
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758720]Hell yeah, I have family who fought in the Falklands and I respect them like fuck for that. The soldiers who gave their lives to defending our sovereign territory should not have died in vain in the name of an aging Grateful Dead roadie who's suddenly decided to flip the table[/QUOTE] Personally, if it was my family members who had fought in the Falklands War I would be getting pissed off that there are people who are arbitrarily disregarding their efforts.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49758719]Defending your territory from invasion isn't pointless.[/QUOTE] argentina invading the falklands was childish
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49758733]??? i don't really think there should be a dialogue but it was his answer to a question randomly brought up by marr. "In the fourth link that's literally only the opening line and then the rest of it is content you probably didn't even bother to read." half of the article is specifically about his comments in the interview, with the other half being about Mauricio Macri but keep on being an aggressive dick to me what the hell the islands are used in argentina as a distraction issue, Jeremy was randomly asked a question by Marr about it and gave a sensible response. if there's an issue, raised by the argentianians, have a sensible dialogue about it. as in to ratify it once and for all because they seemingly keep bringing up the issue.[/QUOTE] I'm being aggressive because you're letting your love for Corbyn cloud your vision on a sensitive topic regarding the territory we have rightful ownership over. Even Jeremy Corbyn would disagree with you on what Jeremy Corbyn thinks. Just because they keep bringing it up, why should that give them the right to a seat in government over the islands? I should start hassling Obama saying I own Hawai'i if that's the case. I've actually stood 10m away from Corbyn and heard him speak. I support him in a lot of ways and I've made that public in London, but on Trident and the Falklands he just has it wrong. [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;49758741]Personally, if it was my family members who had fought in the Falklands War I would be getting pissed off that there are people who are arbitrarily disregarding their efforts.[/QUOTE] I am, Jeremy Corbyn. I can be banned for flipping out at Facepunchers, not against Corbyn :v:
[QUOTE=David29;49758741]Personally, if it was my family members who had fought in the Falklands War I would be getting pissed off that there are people who are arbitrarily disregarding their efforts.[/QUOTE] This. The idea of letting Argentina in, even just a little bit, is disrespectful to all British armed forces members who lost their lives in Falklands war. [QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758750] I've actually stood 10m away from Corbyn and heard him speak. I support him in a lot of ways and I've made that public in London, but on Trident and the Falklands he just has it wrong. [/QUOTE] This is where I stand actually, I believe many left wing policies are what the country needs in 2020 (but not yet), but with Corbyn's stance on security he just wouldn't have my vote. But bloody hell, we need to get rid of private rail. Fucking virgin trains.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49758750]I'm being aggressive because you're letting your love for Corbyn cloud your vision on a sensitive topic regarding the territory we have rightful ownership over. Even Jeremy Corbyn would disagree with you on what Jeremy Corbyn thinks. Just because they keep bringing it, why should that give them the right to a seat in government over the islands? I should start hassling Obama saying I own Hawai'i if that's the case. I've actually stood 10m away from Corbyn and hear him speak. I support him in a lot of ways and I've made that public in London, but on Trident and the Falklands he just has it wrong.[/QUOTE]love for corbyn?? where have i said i have love for corbyn the issue is that the argentinians use the falklands as a political tool against their own people, as a distraction. he was asked the question by marr on the issue of the falklands being british, his response to that issue was "Yes, of course the islanders have an enormous say in this, let's bring about some sensible dialogue. It happened before, I'm sure it can happen again." i don't see the issue in this because with the islanders having an enormous say obviously it is going to go towards the british. i've said one thing and you're attacking me & calling me ignorant for no reason.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;49758761]This. The idea of letting Argentina in, even just a little bit, is disrespectful to all British armed forces members who lost their lives in Falklands war.[/QUOTE] It's sickening to my core and has lost him a lot of respect with me personally. Just because we won and were always going to win, doesn't take away from the honour of defending our sovereign territory from aggressors meaning to take over. They don't even claim they're theirs historically, just that they inherited them from the Spanish throne. Well woop de fuckin' doo how peachy is that? :v:
someone has to post that video now, you know the one back on topic, Doesn't the Falklands have access to oil? i'm fairly sure that's why they want it back
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49758765]love for corbyn?? where have i said i have love for corbyn the issue is that the argentinians use the falklands as a political tool against their own people, as a distraction. he was asked the question by marr on the issue of the falklands being british, his response to that issue was "Yes, of course the islanders have an enormous say in this, let's bring about some sensible dialogue. It happened before, I'm sure it can happen again." i don't see the issue in this because with the islanders having an enormous say obviously it is going to go towards the british. i've said one thing and you're attacking me & calling me ignorant for no reason.[/QUOTE] It's wrong to accept any more dialogue on the matter. We've had a referendum. We've had a fucking war for christ's sake. There should be no further dialogue, the matter is settled.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49758747]argentina invading the falklands was childish[/QUOTE] Oh yeah well Military juntas do that thing Gotta distract the population from real issues by losing a war.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49758765]love for corbyn?? where have i said i have love for corbyn the issue is that the argentinians use the falklands as a political tool against their own people, as a distraction. he was asked the question by marr on the issue of the falklands being british, his response to that issue was "Yes, of course the islanders have an enormous say in this, let's bring about some sensible dialogue. It happened before, I'm sure it can happen again." [B]i don't see the issue in this because with the islanders having an enormous say obviously it is going to go towards the british.[/B] i've said one thing and you're attacking me & calling me [B]ignorant [/B]for [B]no reason[/B].[/QUOTE] Our countrymen died so Argentina would fuck off. What are you saying? Letting the islanders talk is fine, but this isn't just that if you have been reading anything at all. He wants to share power with Argentina and that is fucked. Why am I defending this point to another Brit?
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