Refugees in Hollands largest center march through streets in protest for better living conditions - Polidicks

[img]http://cdn.gld.nl/data/uploads/2015/12/5669aa8ba1d67_prostest_3.jpg[/img] [quote][b]MALDEN - After the protest on Wednesday night, the refugees housed in Heumensoord in Nijmegen again take to the streets. Where first a disgruntled group slept outside on the streets in protest, near the entrance to the refugee camp, now they are taking their protest to the Radboud University.[/b] "We are people" is what the refugees are chanting during their protest march. "We've been crammed in a tent for 75 days, without procedures' is written on a banner they carry. The refugees are angry because they have to stay too long in the shelter. Moreover, the medical facilities are not to their liking and the asylumprocedure takes too long.[/quote] [url=http://www.omroepgelderland.nl/nieuws/2102664/Opnieuw-protest-van-vluchtelingen-op-Heumensoord-protesttocht-over-straat]Source[/url] Background; This is the center I volunteer in twice a week, and once a week intermittent. Complaints I hear from people personally are: - Smugglers promised us that we'd be housed, in those words. We did not expect tents. - The food is monotonous. We want food that we recognize like fallafel and fattah. - They will not give my child anti-biotics for his cough. In my own country we'd get anti-biotics instantly. (Note: It's not normal practise to be so loose with anti-biotics here in the Netherlands since overusage stimulates bacteria to become resistant) - The sanitary facilities are dirty, they only get cleaned once a day. (Note: Nobody, almost literally, cleans up after themselves. Cleaning streaks out of toilets, or putting away toiletpaper that missed the toilet(?!) is something they just dont do themselves.) - We do not get enough money. It's impossible to afford cigarettes, or buy our own groceries, or pay for phonecalls abroad. - The Wifi is way too slow, to be used by so many people. Loading Facebook takes ages. - There is no entertainment here. We are tired of playing footbal (which the AZC and they themselves) organize. - We aren't treated like humans.

The phrase "beggars can't be choosers" comes to mind.

As does the phrase "get the fuck out you cheeky cunts"

If what you've heard personally is true then that's awful, they're literally fitting into the migrant stereotype of "we want everything given to us for nothing". They should be happy that they're living in a peaceful country, never mind not having wifi good enough you should be happy you're not getting shot at.

I saw groups of them protestesting and participating in common prayer at the university this week. I don't really blame them since I've heard from volunteers that the conditions in the camp are indeed really shitty . Look, they shouldn't complain about living in a tent because the tents they put up are huge domes with indoor housing-blocks and such, but it get problematic when heater is broken all the time and it's freezing outside. I also heard that the security staff at the camp are basically bouncers you'd normally find outside a bar, which aren't the most culturally educated people. Well, that might not be as bad because order needs to be maintained in a camp that's divided due to ethnic conflict between Syrians and eritreans. But what I want to say is that from what I've heard most of the facilities of the camp aren't good enough to fullfill the refugees basic wellbeing. And I'm not talking about a lack of WIFI or clean sanitation.

-snip, dont want to stir up shit-

yeah i'm sure you'd all be really happy if you had to flee your country and the place you turn up in goes "ahaha fuck you have some gruel and a tent and stop complaining, at least you're not being shot at!" not like these people had houses, phone contracts, jobs and lives. it ain't cheap to be smuggled across the world - i'd bet a fiver a lot of these refugees worked a damn sight harder than a lot of people sneering at them down an internet forum do [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] why send the men? because men can work harder (if we follow that line). men can send the money back to pay them to smuggle the rest of the family over and get them asylum. imagine leaving your family being then being told well, you're alive, stop whinging, you don't need to contact your family?

[QUOTE]- The Wifi is way too slow, [B]to be used by so many people[/B]. Loading Facebook takes ages.[/QUOTE] Lol

[QUOTE=AncientFryup;49294529]If what you've heard personally is true then that's awful, they're literally fitting into the migrant stereotype of "we want everything given to us for nothing". They should be happy that they're living in a peaceful country, never mind not having wifi good enough you should be happy you're not getting shot at.[/QUOTE] Well I can very well understand that interpretation. I'm not so sure myself. From what I hear, they've been promised a lot by people smugglers to coax them into paying large sums of money to get them here, and now that they are here they're finding out that Europe isn't one big luxurious hotel where wealth is given away for free... Sure, refugees are wrong for having such expectations, and especially for thinking they are in their full right to protest now... but the politicians and the smugglers are ofcourse the instigators. You can't blame the refugees for that.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;49294603]yeah i'm sure you'd all be really happy if you had to flee your country and the place you turn up in goes "ahaha fuck you have some gruel and a tent and stop complaining, at least you're not being shot at!" not like these people had houses, phone contracts, jobs and lives. it ain't cheap to be smuggled across the world - i'd bet a fiver a lot of these refugees worked a damn sight harder than a lot of people sneering at them down an internet forum do [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] why send the men? because men can work harder (if we follow that line). men can send the money back to pay them to smuggle the rest of the family over and get them asylum. imagine leaving your family being then being told well, you're alive, stop whinging, you don't need to contact your family?[/QUOTE] The food is monotonous, they're fed up of playing football and they don't have 4G. (Wait, are these British citizens you've imported?) If they're on your list of complaints after risking a beheading by walking down the street, the other complaints are void.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;49294603]yeah i'm sure you'd all be really happy if you had to flee your country and the place you turn up in goes "ahaha fuck you have some gruel and a tent and stop complaining, at least you're not being shot at!" not like these people had houses, phone contracts, jobs and lives. it ain't cheap to be smuggled across the world - i'd bet a fiver a lot of these refugees worked a damn sight harder than a lot of people sneering at them down an internet forum do [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] why send the men? because men can work harder (if we follow that line). men can send the money back to pay them to smuggle the rest of the family over and get them asylum. imagine leaving your family being then being told well, you're alive, stop whinging, you don't need to contact your family?[/QUOTE] You best not be dissing snert. [t]http://blog.thuisbezorgd.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shutterstock_166444736.jpg[/t] Seriously, there is nothing wrong with snert. It tastes good and it is especially filling for the upcoming cold winter days.

[QUOTE=Jordax;49294658]You best not be dissing snert. [t]http://blog.thuisbezorgd.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shutterstock_166444736.jpg[/t] Seriously, there is nothing wrong with snert. It tastes good and it is especially filling for the upcoming cold winter days.[/QUOTE] My oma used to make that for me and it's absolutely gorgeous <3

[QUOTE=cheezey;49294541]I saw groups of them protestesting and participating in common prayer at the university this week. I don't really blame them since I've heard from volunteers that the conditions in the camp are indeed really shitty . Look, they shouldn't complain about living in a tent because the tents they put up are huge domes with indoor housing-blocks and such, but it get problematic when heater is broken all the time and it's freezing outside. [b]I also heard that the security staff at the camp are basically bouncers you'd normally find outside a bar, which aren't the most culturally educated people.[/b] Well, that might not be as bad because order needs to be maintained in a camp that's divided due to ethnic conflict between Syrians and eritreans. But what I want to say is that from what I've heard most of the facilities of the camp aren't good enough to fullfill the refugees basic wellbeing. And I'm not talking about a lack of WIFI or clean sanitation.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about. Aren't the most culturally educated people? The security guards that I see at Heumensoord are indeed outsourced by the same company that supplies bouncers to outgoing-clubs like "van Buuren" and others, but they are mostly non-ethnically Dutch as well. Maroccans, Turks, Africans etc tend to be the most common bouncers here, and that's who I see working at the refugeecenter MOSTLY. And what I see personally is that the camps aren't bad, they certainly weren't in the beginning. But I have to honestly say that people are turning the camps into a big mess quite quickly. For a large group, cleaning up after themselves is a no-go. From what I can gather, this stems from either dissatisfaction and a way to sort-of passive aggressively get back at the COA (Refugee Institution) or from just general lack of common sense that you SHOULD clean up your own mess. This is also the reason why the sanitary area's are such a big mess. They are in use throughout the day by over 3000 people. If just 500 people refuse to clean up after themselves, then it's going to be a mess by the time number 501 comes along. I explained to a group of angry Syrians as well, that people sometimes think of them as ungrateful, since they are receiving care and attention completely unimaginable for Dutch native homeless people but this isn't getting through. They either don't believe me, or refuse to go into it, or start speaking Arabic which I don't understand particularly well.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;49294603]yeah i'm sure you'd all be really happy if you had to flee your country and the place you turn up in goes "ahaha fuck you have some gruel and a tent and stop complaining, at least you're not being shot at!" not like these people had houses, phone contracts, jobs and lives. it ain't cheap to be smuggled across the world - i'd bet a fiver a lot of these refugees worked a damn sight harder than a lot of people sneering at them down an internet forum do [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] why send the men? because men can work harder (if we follow that line). men can send the money back to pay them to smuggle the rest of the family over and get them asylum. imagine leaving your family being then being told well, you're alive, stop whinging, you don't need to contact your family?[/QUOTE] The point is these countries who BY CHOICE are accepting and housing them are already straining under the load of massive influx of refugees. If these countries had not let in far more refugees than they can effectively deal with in the short span of time then perhaps they would be better able to provide for the ones they did, or perhaps these whiny people would have been turned away because of that and instead would still be in a warzone. These people have no perceptive, perhaps that isn't their fault, but they still have no perceptive. Also, you keep saying "smuggle" as if there isn't a legal process for being accepted into Europe as a refugee, or do you mean smuggled out of the warzone?

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;49294603]yeah i'm sure you'd all be really happy if you had to flee your country and the place you turn up in goes [b]"ahaha fuck you have some gruel and a tent and stop complaining, at least you're not being shot at![/b]" [/QUOTE] Seriously... is this what you think that Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Italy and all other countries are doing when they are taking in refugees? Really?? You are either incredibly delusional, completely dishonest, or you think using this kind of foul rhetoric is acceptible if it serves a 'good cause' but I personally think you are disgusting. The food served is perfectly good food. We, the volunteers, eat along with the refugees. The same food, did you know that? It's perfectly normal food for which native homeless people and many native elderly people that BUILT this country (and who have suffered directly from massive financial cutbacks in the past 5 years) would KILL for. It's incredibly wrong, and insensitive, that you would call the food served gruel, and that you pretend like the refugees are being treated like garbage and told not to complain. We are explaining them that they have to understand that we are taking them in in massive numbers, and that the logistics and money involved is enourmous. They are safe, not-hungry, have shelter, have entertainment, therefor they should more easily accept the situation, if they really came from warzones, although it might not be perfect.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;49294603]why send the men? because men can work harder (if we follow that line). men can send the money back to pay them to smuggle the rest of the family over and get them asylum. imagine leaving your family being then being told well, you're alive, stop whinging, you don't need to contact your family?[/QUOTE] I thought this thread is about refugees and not economic immigrants. If your wife and kids are safe back home and can wait for a couple of months until you can get on your feet, then you are not really a refugee.

[QUOTE=Jordax;49294658]You best not be dissing snert. [t]http://blog.thuisbezorgd.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shutterstock_166444736.jpg[/t] Seriously, there is nothing wrong with snert. It tastes good and it is especially filling for the upcoming cold winter days.[/QUOTE] That looks really good.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49294708]Seriously... is this what you think that Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Italy and all other countries are doing when they are taking in refugees? Really??[/QUOTE] Seriously, if you would take ONE MINUTE a day not watching your one-sided videos without context and actually look at the facts, you would notice stuff like this: [url]http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/fluechtlinge-in-muenchen-ohne-worte-1.2170074[/url] Oh look, refugees have to sleep in the open because not enough beds are available. That are articles you would never post. The only articles you ever post are those which make the refugees look bad.

[QUOTE]They will not give my child anti-biotics for his cough. In my own country we'd get anti-biotics instantly.[/QUOTE] Damn, maybe you should go back to your own country for that top-notch pharmacy service oh, wait.

lmao they should shut the fuck up because hey, atleast your not getting executed or conscripted to die or be captured, right? oh wait thats better than ok wifi being overloaded and perfectly fine food huh?

oh fuck off

[QUOTE=AntonioR;49294735]I thought this thread is about refugees and not economic immigrants. If your wife and kids are safe back home and can wait for a couple of months until you can get on your feet, then you are not really a refugee.[/QUOTE] did i say they were safe? they might be hiding at some point along the route? they might be hiding in fear? they could be anywhere but i doubt they'll have their feet up by the fire waiting for it all to blow over.

Refugees leaving their country for a better life - realizing it sucks everywhere they go. Not surprised.

you know these folk haven't come from like, straw huts where they rub together flint and steel to make fire every night?

I don't see a problem with them protesting, but of course no one is under any obligation to follow their demands to the letter. Personally I think they should be given food that isn't monotonous (and tents aren't exactly optimal), but I sincerely doubt they're being served gruel all day every day as it is. In the end, these are first world problems; they can - and should, because who else is going to talk their case - voice their opinions, but in the end I don't think these are huge issues.

I'm pretty sure I've lived in worse conditions than that.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;49294833]you know these folk haven't come from like, straw huts where they rub together flint and steel to make fire every night?[/QUOTE] So if these were poor people from african tribes, who actually lived in straw huts back home, it would be okay to accommodate them differently?

[QUOTE=NoOneKnowsMe;49294769]Seriously, if you would take ONE MINUTE a day not watching your one-sided videos without context and actually look at the facts, you would notice stuff like this: [url]http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/fluechtlinge-in-muenchen-ohne-worte-1.2170074[/url] Oh look, refugees have to sleep in the open because not enough beds are available. That are articles you would never post. The only articles you ever post are those which make the refugees look bad.[/QUOTE] Please read your nickname and apply it to me. You don't know me, at all. I didnt form my opinion just because I looked at a few one-sided videos for days on end. Did you completely miss the OP where I say that I volunteer twice a week, and once a week the following week in a refugee shelter? If you think that my posts are about 'making refugees look bad' then everything that I"m saying is going straight over your head. I'm participating in this childish game that you are apparently playing. I'm posting PROBLEMS, that need to be fucking solved. I'm not playing the 'lets make anyone look bad'-game. Yes some refugees do not have housing available. On the other hand, If I now post a video where refugees do have housing and where native italians are sleeping on the street, does that cancel both messages out? NO! They are still both problems that need adressing. For f sake..I really wish you'd understand that Im not making refugees look bad. I'm just also showing newsstories and videos that people like you usually wouldn't watch, whilst still preaching the only way you could be against mass-immigration, and refugees, is if you're a blantantly idiotic racist.

They looks well clothed. Well fed. Well washed. How about they fucking get a grip and stop being a bunch of fucking cunts. There are natives of the countries they are getting distributed to who are worse off.

I'm sorry but if you run away from a literal warzone you can't complain about WiFi being too fucking slow. If it's too slow then go back! Certainly risking your life everyday is worth faster WiFi. Or wait... Maybe there's this wonderful thing called perspective...