You cant get something from nothing.
Space has not always* been there. Where the fuck did it come from? This is starting to piss me off now. Are we just an ingredient in gods chemistry set?
I wonder if any aliens out there know the answer? But how could they know?
Im done wrecking my brain for one day...
Stephen Hawking said that for the universe to be constantly expanding, which he believes it to be (through mathematical, and scientific physical evidence and speculation), it must be contained WITHIN something.
What that something is has not been established by humans.
Yet.
marbles
God made it.
Or Xenu.
[QUOTE=showtek;25131504]You cant get something from nothing.
Space has not always* been there. Where the fuck did it come from? This is starting to piss me off now. Are we just an ingredient in gods chemistry set?
I wonder if any aliens out there know the answer? But how could they know?
[B]Im done wrecking my brain for one day...[/B][/QUOTE]
Not to be rude but if that's all the brain wracking you do in a single day then I hate to think how you go in science class.
Don't try to think about it; your brain will explode. The human mind doesn't have the concept of infinite/forever; we only know beginning and end. We only know cause and effect. Because our lives are based on beginnings and ends, we expect there to be a beginning and end to everything. So it's likely that there was always something here, with no beginning and no end.
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Ok if you disagree then please elaborate.
Looking at space from a macroscopic point of view it looks like virtually nothing (something like an avaerage of one hydrogen atom per cubic kilometre), but when you look at it from a microscopic view (specifically at the quantum level) it looks like boiling water.
I'll try and find a more in depth explanation.
First, start off with what you know at the moment. The atmosphere looks like nothing, but if you move your hand, you feel the air particles. There's a far less dense concentration of them than in, say, you, but they're there all the same.
Going down to the atomic level, there's a ridiculous amount of space between the subatomic particles (something on the scale of a fly in St Paul's Cathedral, the fly being the nucleus, and the walls being the first ring of electron orbit).
Going further, I'll bring in E=MC^2. Asides from a number of other things, this is proof that energy=matter (boatloads). This has been experimentally proven at CERN, where they crashed utterly massive quantities of energy together and produced matter/antimatter.
There is a phenomenon known as decoherence. This is the transitory state between the quantum level and our Newtonian level. Quantum states collapse when they come into contact with the real world, and only a few are stable enough to carry on into Newtonian mechanics.
Now, with the dawn of time and the big bang, everything was initially just energy. This lasted until about 10^-43 seconds, when the grand unifying force broke down into the four forces we have today, and the first subatomic particles began to emerge. These lasted as a massive soup. (During this time everything would have appeared extremely bright white, adn been hideously hot).
After however much time it was, this all decohered into the particles we know today, although this quantum effect still occurs everywhere.
Hopefully I explained that understandably enough, and got it right. If not, I'm sure some guys here will correct it.
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There also appears to be a great number of people asking about outside the universe.
First up, you can only travel in three dimensions. Our universe probably consists of five, so no matter where you go or for how long, you'll always end back where you started.
Assuming though that you can break out of the universe and that you could see in five dimensions, it would probably look like the inside of a pot of boiling water suspended in time. If you slowed down your senses so a few hundred million years was a second, it would look like it was bubbling as universes came in and out of existence.
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;25131536]Not to be rude but if that's all the brain wracking you do in a single day then I hate to think how you go in science class.[/QUOTE]
Not to be rude but he didn't have a time limit or a temperature meter for how much thinking he's been doing on this.
Someone could wrack their brain on this for hours, days, or even a lifetime. Just because he didn't hit you with a wall of text doesn't mean it hasn't exhausted him.
Thank you for your nitpicking comment, which is completely devoid of useful content.
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The question I ask myself: What is behind space ? Space is still increasing, pushing forward. But what is it pushing away ? What is it taking over ? But then again, space can't be infinite, I just can't believe it is infinite..
Not like anyone alive today is going to find out. Maybe not any human at all.
Hey OP, here's a good one for ya
If you shrank the entire observable universe down to the size of a grain of sand, the unseen universe beyond that would be the size of the real observable universe compared to the sand grain.
causation theory. :smug:
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I wish a colossal alien would play with my marbles :saddowns:
[QUOTE=Xplosion;25131604]The question I ask myself: What is behind space ? Space is still increasing, pushing forward. But what is it pushing away ? What is it taking over ?[/QUOTE]
That is the question, man! What else is out there that we haven't been able to find out yet?
God, we don't know even much about the planet that we live on. Think of the thousands of species lurking under the ocean that we haven't even discovered yet.
There's a lot humans do not know, and knowledge gained on the surface of the earth is a small speck of what is out there.
The question I ask myself: What is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me. No more?
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Where did you get the idea that space came from nothing?
[QUOTE=Xplosion;25131604]The question I ask myself: What is behind space ? Space is still increasing, pushing forward. But what is it pushing away ? What is it taking over ? But then again, space can't be infinite, I just can't believe it is infinite..[/QUOTE]
Nothing is infinite therefore it is.
the answer is M theory
I've thought about this in depth. Glad im not crazy.
I get an aneurysm whenever I try to think how big space is.
Just remember, that there are smarter scientists than hawking that get less publicity.
Before anyone starts living by his words
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Although that doesn't make him any less intelligent.
Why did I even say that, it's irrelevant :frown:
[QUOTE=windwakr;25131757]If the universe isn't infinite, what would happen if you went outside of it?[/QUOTE]
Second big bang
The universe is expanding due to the big bang.
But te exspansion is decellerating and the universe will fall back to its original seize (before the big bang)
Due to the massive ammount off mass present in a tiny dot the dot becomes a massive black hole containing all the mass in the universe.
Due to mass creating gravity and gravity causing the mass to tighten everything will eventally be in one point just before it explodes again in another big bang.
And 5 billion years from that i will be typing this again in the exact same or different way.
*Just one of the theories i find has the most proof*
Let's say the universe as we know it today, began with the big bang theory (no, not the nerdshow) about 15 billion years ago. Space was merely the size of a football, which later on exploded because it couldn't handle the pressure anymore. Then the question would be: how did that huge amount of mass ever collide into a tiny orb (very tiny, compared to what we know now) which had a temperature of 10^28 Celcius.
What were the odds, 0.00001/1000000000?
Nobody knows, and nobody will ever know. I don't know if I got my facts right, considering everything are indeed facts (who knows). What were the odds that our life began, that dinosaurs were whipped out, giving us a chance to develop. Look at we are now compared to let's say 2000 years ago. Hell we don't even need to look back that far. 200 years is good enough.
Quotes from movie below:
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Amount of stars in the Milky Way: 200 billions, and 6 billion stars with planets around it like we know our Solar system.
Amount of galaxies, like the Milky Way: 125 billion.
This is the perfect time to use: :wtc:
I think this all is far above us all, [B]I think and I actually hope space will be a mystery for ever[/B].
It confuses me... I dont understand how infinity is possible. If its not infinite, how is it enclosed? and enclosed by what? if it IS infinite, how does that physically work?
In reality, infinity cannot exist. If that is true then how can our universe be infinite? It can't. It will expand to the point of collapse and form another big bang, creating the next universe. This is how our universe was formed and how it will die.
or at least that's what i think
What if it's not infinite, but it wraps around itself in a way we can't think of perceiving?
If it was infinite everything and nothing and everything in between would be happening now and always and never and every other time!
[QUOTE=showtek;25131504]You cant get something from nothing.
Space has not always* been there. Where the fuck did it come from? This is starting to piss me off now. Are we just an ingredient in gods chemistry set?
I wonder if any aliens out there know the answer? But how could they know?
Im done wrecking my brain for one day...[/QUOTE]
This question is yet not completely answered, but many hypothesis exist.
We can at least say, space expands and once was very dense. Following this back in time leads to a point where we can't apply classical physical models anymore. This point is called the big bang.
Where that came from is also unanswered but also many hypothesis do exist.
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[QUOTE=MovingSalad;25131526]Stephen Hawking said that for the universe to be constantly expanding, which he believes it to be (through mathematical, and scientific physical evidence and speculation), [B]it must be contained WITHIN something[/B].[/QUOTE]
This is wrong. Space expands but not "within" something. There is no "space" in that "space" could expand (get what I mean?).
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