Republicans embrace tax hike targeting Democratic states - Polidicks

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans aren’t usually big on raising taxes, but they’re really eager to eliminate the federal deduction for state and local taxes. Why? A look at the states that benefit the most from the tax break helps explain it — they are all Democratic strongholds. New York, Connecticut, New Jersey and California top the list of states where taxpayers get the biggest deductions. Not a single Republican-leaning state ranks in the top 10. “Although Republicans usually recoil at any type of tax increase, cutting this tax break would almost be fun for them,” said Martin Sullivan, chief economist for Tax Analysts. “It provides massively disproportionate deductions to high-tax states controlled by Democrats.” Proposals by House Republican leaders and President Donald Trump would repeal the tax break as part of their packages to overhaul the American tax code. But they are getting a lot of pushback from Republican lawmakers in Democratic-controlled states. The standoff illustrates how hard it is for Congress to eliminate any popular tax break, even one that primarily benefits the ruling party’s political opponents. Almost 44 million claimed the deduction in 2014, according to IRS statistics. That’s nearly every taxpayer who itemizes deductions, a little less than 30 percent of all taxpayers. Sullivan analyzed which states would be hit hardest by repealing the tax deduction. The Associated Press did a similar analysis and came to the same conclusion. Nationally, the average deduction is about $11,800, but it is much bigger in many blue states. New York is tops with an average deduction of more than $21,000. Connecticut is next at $18,900, followed by New Jersey at $17,200 and California at $17,100. These are states with high property values, high costs of living, high incomes and relatively high state and local taxes compared to other states. They are also states President Donald Trump lost in last year’s election. Though the president is from New York, he lost the state to Democrat Hillary Clinton by 22 percentage points.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://apnews.com/91d3a13f83454c98a8a0c224f8117eb2"]https://apnews.com/91d3a13f83454c98a8a0c224f8117eb2[/URL]

Childish.

I would support raising taxes (preferably in an egalitarian manner) if the money was going to be spent on helping this country instead of increasing military spending even further, stupid border security measures and a stupid wall. That's basically the only places Trump wants to increase spending. How can you ask for us to pay the government more when you want to slash healthcare from millions of Americans to save money?

So we want the rich to pay more taxes, but we don't want to remove a tax break that mostly benefits the rich?

I'm fine with negotiating new tax law, but the way they are doing this is scummy. Behind closed doors, and excluding the democratic party, just like they are doing with the health care garbage. And it's because they know its garbage and won't have wide public support. They are shady as hell and it's unbelievable.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52496942]So we want the rich to pay more taxes, but we don't want to remove a tax break that mostly benefits the rich?[/QUOTE] Those states and cities aren't just places for the rich, you realize that right? there's a huge swath of people who live in those regions who I imagine these tax hikes would hurt that aren't "Rich", right?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52497120]Those states and cities aren't just places for the rich, you realize that right? there's a huge swath of people who live in those regions who I imagine these tax hikes would hurt that aren't "Rich", right?[/QUOTE] He's right, nearly 90% of people taking advantage of it make over 100,000 a year. But the problem here is that they're only doing this not for the betterment of America, but to spite democrats.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52497120]Those states and cities aren't just places for the rich, you realize that right? there's a huge swath of people who live in those regions who I imagine these tax hikes would hurt that aren't "Rich", right?[/QUOTE] a lot of those states also have more socialised programs such as healthcare, education, jobs programs and such that use those high taxes

Stop with the resentment politics.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52496942]So we want the rich to pay more taxes, but we don't want to remove a tax break that mostly benefits the rich?[/QUOTE] You did a stupendous job there trying to turn this situation around and make Democrats look like hypocrites by totally ignoring any and all context around the proposal. This is the Republican party, the party who rallies around low taxes and large tax breaks, wanting to revoke this specific tax break because it benefits Democratic states more than Republican states. Do you not see how retardedly hypocritical and scummy that is?

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52497423]You did a stupendous job there trying to turn this situation around and make Democrats look like hypocrites by totally ignoring any and all context around the proposal. This is the Republican party, the party who rallies around low taxes and large tax breaks, wanting to revoke this specific tax break because it benefits Democratic states more than Republican states. Do you not see how retardedly hypocritical and scummy that is?[/QUOTE] Well, the bill doesn't target states. It takes away a tax deduction for the state taxes you've paid, which disproportionately affect democrat states because that's where the majority of richer people are and have higher tax rates. I didn't read anything about a senator saying that this was implemented in order to affect democratic states. That "context" you speak of has been added by news organizations, not by the bill itself or the people who made it, and isn't the de-facto context that everyone has to use to examine the bill.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52497472]Well, the bill doesn't target states. It takes away a tax deduction for the state taxes you've paid, which disproportionately affect democrat states because that's where the majority of richer people are and have higher tax rates. I didn't read anything about a senator saying that this was implemented in order to affect democratic states. That "context" you speak of has been added by news organizations, not by the bill itself or the people who made it, and isn't the de-facto context that everyone has to use to examine the bill.[/QUOTE] Ignoring that context is just trying to play dumb. It's extremely obvious to anyone who isn't trying to justify their actions. Republicans are pro-tax breaks and want lower taxes. It's one of the main parts of their platform. So if it is an integral part of their platform what reason do they have for removing it? The part where it mostly affects richer people isn't even relevant here when you take into account that Republicans tend to favor tax breaks for the wealthy far more than for the poor to begin with. So again: What is your actual logic here? You're ignoring very important details to try and defend this but it's only invalidating your own point that much more.

[QUOTE]“Obviously I cannot comment on the reliability of what anonymous sources describe in a wholly uncorroborated intelligence intercept that the Washington Post has not seen and that has not been provided to me,” said a Justice Department spokeswoman, Sarah Isgur Flores, in a statement. She reasserted that Sessions did not discuss interference in the election.[/QUOTE] Christ. I can't imagine what it must be like having to be the one to defend against the Russia Revelation of the Day™ like this.

[QUOTE=Chonch;52497882]Christ. I can't imagine what it must be like having to be the one to defend against the Russia Revelation of the Day™ like this.[/QUOTE] wrong thread.

remember, democrats should abosolutely vote for this bipartisan bill because mcconnell said so, he even wrote it himself in his office, about 10 minutes before the vote.

it's funny because republican states are universally fucking broke and haven't had a proper budget or economy for decades.

[QUOTE=1239the;52498277]it's funny because republican states are universally fucking broke and haven't had a proper budget or economy for decades.[/QUOTE] Kansas represent!

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52497472]Well, the bill doesn't target states. It takes away a tax deduction for the state taxes you've paid, which disproportionately affect democrat states because that's where the majority of richer people are and have higher tax rates. I didn't read anything about a senator saying that this was implemented in order to affect democratic states. That "context" you speak of has been added by news organizations, not by the bill itself or the people who made it, and isn't the de-facto context that everyone has to use to examine the bill.[/QUOTE] It just seems weird that the party that at least in recent history has never been about raising taxes on the rich now wants to raise taxes on the rich.

This isnt any different from what is already is: Blue states support the Red states. Red states take more federal money of assistance than Blue states.

to be honest I'm pretty sick of the southern states that live on the welfare provided by democratic states. They're the worst states in the country and require the most federal aid and that's all coming from wealthy blue states.