[B]The European Court of Human Rights has ruled the whole-life tariffs given to murderer Jeremy Bamber and two other killers breached their human rights.
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23230419[/URL]
In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.
So fucking stupid. Its The European Human rights that won't let us deport people and now they won't let us imprison people who rightfully should be imprisoned!?! Fucking ridiculous.
Life in prison with psychological assessment to figure out why people kill in the first place.
The funny thing is, the man who complained and said it was inhumane, was the man who killed 5 of his family members
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
What about those who didn't mean to? Or those who acted in self defense? Or those falsely convicted?
What if someone isn't able to understand the ramifications of their actions, due to mental issues? Do we treat them the same way as the man who brutally murdered a child for shiggles?
Blanket statements help no one, and human rights are not voidable; that's why they're HUMAN rights, rather than non-convict rights.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
that makes the assumption that people can have their humanity revoked. i personally find [i]that[/i] inhumane.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
If you can be a human and be denied a right, then it's not a human right. Human rights are not voided if you commit a crime, they're meant to apply to all people equally at all times purely on the basis of being a living human being. You're using the exact reasoning that people use to defend the torture of Guantanamo inmates- 'they're bad people and don't deserve any rights'. Think on that.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41378439]What about those who didn't mean to? Or those who acted in self defense? Or those falsely convicted?[/QUOTE]
Of course, there are exceptions to the rule...
Is a whole life sentence morally questionable? Maybe. Does it violate human rights? I would say no if the prisoner is treated properly. This is a can of worms.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378474]Of course, there are exceptions to the rule...[/QUOTE]
He quite clearly said that if you take a life, you're no longer entitled to live; to not be tortured; be free from slavery; the right [B]to a fair trial[/B] (which is pretty important when dealing with murders); etc.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;41378482]Is a whole life sentence morally questionable? Maybe. Does it violate human rights? I would say no if the prisoner is treated properly. This is a can of worms.[/QUOTE]
prison strips a person of their self-determination and sovereignty over their own life, two of the major things that defines us as humans. to imprison someone permanently is to take away a part of their humanity permanently.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
Using this logic, if you killed somebody, you have lost the right to free speech.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
because you clearly don't deserve psychological support and rehabilitation right
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41378512]prison strips a person of their self-determination and sovereignty over their own life, two of the major things that defines us as humans. to imprison someone permanently is to take away a part of their humanity permanently.[/QUOTE]
What is the alternative for people like Dahmer or Tsarnaev who are an obvious threat?
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;41378524]Using this logic, if you killed somebody, you have lost the right to free speech.[/QUOTE]
And if you shoot a mugger in self-defense, then there's nothing morally wrong with you being imprisoned without trial, tortured, disenfranchised, and then forced into slave labor for the rest of your life.
The fact that that post is getting so many 'agrees' is damn depressing.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes you got to.
I actually agree. I think prison should first of all be a punishment for people who do bad, but at the same time, life sentences completely neglect the fact that some people can reform and change. If we consider prisons as simply pits to put bad people, then the people who serve their sentences and are released are just going to be even more fucked up afterwards. We should at least believe (and even support) that some people can reform. Giving up on them entirely and throwing away the key isn't the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41378512]prison strips a person of their self-determination and sovereignty over their own life, two of the major things that defines us as humans. to imprison someone permanently is to take away a part of their humanity permanently.[/QUOTE]
Okay I can see from that point of view, I see the reasoning but then what do you do with all these people? The true offenders who are probably likely to repeat offend regardless of rehabilitation. Be it murder or rape, etc.
Having a life sentance is paramount to not having a life at all, being condemned to spend the rest of your life in prison where you have no chance of ever leaving is not only cruel on a psycological level but it gives the offender no reason to ever try to improve themselves if they have no motivation to. Atleast giving them the chance to redeem themselves to society is fair and allows for improvement.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
they're human rights
as long as you're human you deserve them
Alright, my logic isn't the best. I get it.
Just jumped the gun on the subject, is all. Should've thought more on it.
[QUOTE=Aman;41378572]Okay I can see from that point of view, I see the reasoning but then what do you do with all these people? The true offenders who are probably likely to repeat offend regardless of rehabilitation. Be it murder or rape, etc.[/QUOTE]
Then you remove them from society; but you don't need to make their life hell to do that.
Give them the means to a fairly comfortable life away form the people they endanger.
I think having your freedom taken away from you as punishment for a terrible crime is as humane we can get without being neither too barbaric nor too lenient. People should fear the consequences of their actions, but at the same time they should be handled professionally rather than sadistically.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;41378415]Life in prison with psychological assessment to figure out why people kill in the first place.[/QUOTE]
prison isn't a good environment to psychologically evaluate a criminal though.
There should be an unmaintained island where these people can be placed.
Bring them back to the sheer basics of being a human being rather than cage them to their own selves where they aren't even able to help themselves to function any real kind of life.
I have no issue with someone spending the rest of their life prison if it is determined that they are still a danger to society. The problem with the current system in this country, as indicated by this case, is that someone who has been given a whole life sentenced has no chance of a review. Locking someone up and throwing away the key is a terrible way of dealing with any sort of criminal.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;41378388]In my opinion: If you've taken a life, or multiple lives, you have essentially voided all of your Human Rights.[/QUOTE]
you get human rights for being born a human being. you can't void your human rights through any action unless that action is expressly waiving them.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;41378557]What is the alternative for people like Dahmer or Tsarnaev who are an obvious threat?[/QUOTE]
idk there isn't an alternative because they are still human beings deserving of human rights. maybe surveillance. that would be a shit ton more preferable than just locking them up and letting them rot.
-e o hey you literally answered a post above-
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