BREAKING Libya. French, US and UK special forces operations confirmed
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A secret war as they say, just watched a very interesting interview on France 24 seems quite unbiased.
[quote]A new report in French daily Le Monde indicates that French special forces have been carrying out covert operations in Libya against djihadist targets. This coincides with increasing evidence that the US, Britain and France are unilaterally acting through small groups of fighters in the country.[/quote]
Appologies phone ran out of battery before I could link the article.
[url]http://m.france24.com/en/20160224-debate-libya-intervention-tripoli-rebels-covert-france-part-two[/url]
Should probably link the article.
Holy shit, this is pretty big.
[QUOTE=Anderan;49808720]Should probably link the article.[/QUOTE]
I am frankly not surprised. Spec ops could be doing just about fucking anything because sometimes their budget comes from a provision labeled "bagel".
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49808772]I am frankly not surprised. Spec ops could be doing just about fucking anything because sometimes their budget comes from a provision labeled "bagel".[/QUOTE]
"You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?"
weren't jihadist commanders or something killed off by some unknown sniper[in libya] a while ago? is that related to this?
I posted an article a while back about some US Special Forces that were photographed by Libyan forces after they landed at their airfield without clearance, leading to some confusion.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Obx9mmH.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49808966]"You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?"[/QUOTE]
The last thing I thought I'd see when I came into this thread was an Independence Day reference.
This needed to happen. Hopefully we won't need larger scale intervention, but in Libya (not Syria) it shouldn't be off the table to finish what we (rightly) started.
[QUOTE=StrykerE;49809180]I posted an article a while back about some US Special Forces that were photographed by Libyan forces after they landed at their airfield without clearance, leading to some confusion.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Obx9mmH.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That's just Division marketing material
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;49810680]spec ops make sure bigger scale interventions aren't necessary
praise spec ops[/QUOTE]
I wish that was the case. It's spec ops that gave power to alot of the rebel groups in Syria, and even the taliban. Libya is undergoing a power struggle at the moment between 2 democratic parties that is still being settled. The spokesman last night confirmed they are fighting IS targets and also contacting groups of independent fighters. This could easily go the way of Syria, in fact I'm afraid that is the idea.
Remember that conspiracy post 9/11? Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan and finishing in Iran.
Well that's 2 down, third on the way?
[QUOTE=Faunze;49811419]I wish that was the case. It's spec ops that gave power to alot of the rebel groups in Syria, and even the taliban. Libya is undergoing a power struggle at the moment between 2 democratic parties that is still being settled. The spokesman last night confirmed they are fighting IS targets and also contacting groups of independent fighters. This could easily go the way of Syria, in fact I'm afraid that is the idea.
Remember that conspiracy post 9/11? Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan and finishing in Iran.
Well that's 2 down, third on the way?[/QUOTE]
Haha
There is no conspiracy going on.
Obama/Cameron/Hollande are just now realising that that you can't just bomb and leave. For the best outcomes, some kind of troop presence is needed. They bombed Gaddaffi because:
1) He was hated by everyone. He somehow managed to get Saudi Arabia, Iran and the West to simultaneously hate him. He had involved himself in terrorist attacks on the West and was a general geopolitical nuisance.
2) Was about to massacre his own people in the manner of Assad, with the West not wanting a slaughter (the kind that occurred in Syria when there was no intervention of note).
3) Genuinely good intentions with perhaps naive hopes in the Arab Spring for democracy, based off of the fact that the West often doesn't realise how underdeveloped Arab civil society is as a result of both Islam and authoritarian leaders.
The bombing prevented a slaughter like what occurred in Syria. However, the lack of strong intervention in the aftermath (my view is that the optimal strategy should probably be to intervene once you have a government on your side after the first phase of the Civil War ends) meant that militias were able to take a strong hold, and along with in-fighting, managed to destroy the fragile state and lead it towards anarchy. Due to politics in the West (as well as Obama's personal views), full scale intervention, despite the obvious need for it (and the responsibility given the fact that we did, rightly, get involved in this conflict), was off the table, and even now we are still trying to deny the reality that something needs to be done in Libya. The US is not trying to destabilise Syria. If the goal of the US was to destabilise countries they intervened in, why were they at such pains to try and strengthen the Afghan government, or to create a viable Iraqi government in the long term (which was destroyed by Obama's politics which lead to early withdrawal and a resulting swift undoing of almost a decade of progress).
The US usually has good intentions abroad. You're basing your opinions off of effectively nothing and extrapolating it into some grand, evil imperialist plot (or something). That is not to say that these actions are necessarily right. But it is to say that you should take your medicine and stay away from conspiracy theories.
Hold your horses buddy just an observation. I'm very aware of the narative thank you. On the other hand maybe you should stop taking your medicine for a while do explore other possibilities, however ridiculous they might seem.
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
The problem with Syria at the moment is the fact there are far too many spoons in one bowl. And the way the west interviened was downright childish considering what we should have learned over the last 10 years, we arm rebel groups up to the eyeballs and let them loose to fight their own wars, it's chaotic at best with alot of these groups now fighting eachother, Russia supports the government and we support the rebels, all of which are fighting eachother, the government and isis at the same time.
The whole place is a clusterfuck, it's completely ruined what was a relatively developed country. The infrastructure is in ruins, if we had worked with the government no matter how shitty they were at the time, isis would have been utterly ruined very early on in the game. But we keep arming rag tag rebels with no direction other than their own independent goals.
[QUOTE=StrykerE;49809180]I posted an article a while back about some US Special Forces that were photographed by Libyan forces after they landed at their airfield without clearance, leading to some confusion.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Obx9mmH.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
What's with spec ops and checkered shirts
Do they give special discounts at GAP or something
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;49819948]What's with spec ops and checkered shirts
Do they give special discounts at GAP or something[/QUOTE]
They got it in a darkzone drop.
In other news, this is really an unsurprising relevation, and it's no doubt that some of the "mysterious" people that have been bugging IS forces in Libya were the men in these task forces.
I used to keep reading tons of stuff about the war on ISIS and such, to keep up with the world and what not. However, recently I have been backing away a bit because it all seems to be very up in the air, and in my opinion, a bit dodgy/untrustworthy. You have all sorts of streams of communication coming from the media, but the media cannot always be trusted anymore (especially with conflicts). So before having a huge reaction to a headline, definitely do further research into it.
[editline]13th May 2016[/editline]
Also, the government and European leaders have been very secretive about it all. Therefore, the media are really just speculating off of whatever tiny specs of information that they have been able to obtain. There's probably/definitely a ton of stuff going on that we don't even know about, and tbh probably won't ever know about. The only people who really know what's going on, are the people who are involved in making these decisions, and the people leading each nation.
[QUOTE=Banned?;49809190]The last thing I thought I'd see when I came into this thread was an Independence Day reference.[/QUOTE]
That quote is so useful in regards to this because despite coming from a movie, it's quite very likely to be absolutely true.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49808966]"You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?"[/QUOTE]
You're right instead we just spend 400 dollars on things like little ball lock pins.
Came in here to say that this is months old then I realized the thread was bumped.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49808772]I am frankly not surprised. Spec ops could be doing just about fucking anything because sometimes their budget comes from a provision labeled "bagel".[/QUOTE]
You mean to tell me they don't spend all their time eating bagels with several pounds of saffron on them?
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;49819948]What's with spec ops and checkered shirts
Do they give special discounts at GAP or something[/QUOTE]
I love how they don't look like those guys shown in American Sniper or in any other movie.
They look like your average, normal, run-of-the-mil guy.
Who happens to be able to kill you bare handed in less than 5 secs.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50313306]I love how they don't look like those guys shown in American Sniper or in any other movie.
They look like your average, normal, run-of-the-mil guy.
Who happens to be able to kill you bare handed in less than 5 secs.[/QUOTE]
SF are a generally unassuming looking bunch in my, admittedly limited, experience.
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