• Wyoming tribe gains right to kill bald eagles
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[quote]SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) - The Fish and Wildlife Service has approved a first-time permit allowing a Native American tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles in a centuries-old religious ceremony once outlawed by the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs. The step was hailed on Wednesday as a victory that honors the cultural and religious rituals practiced by the 9,600 Northern Arapahos on the Wind River Indian Reservation in west-central Wyoming. "The eagle has been with us for so long, even before the settlers came. For the government to tell us, you can't use that bird anymore ... it slaps natives in the face," said tribal member Lokilo St. Claire. It is almost always illegal to kill bald eagles, which were removed from the federal threatened and endangered species list in 2007 but are still safeguarded by laws like the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. The bald eagle is the national bird of the United States and is depicted on everything from the Great Seal of the United States to the dollar bill. The Fish and Wildlife Service, which oversees conservation of eagles, has granted very few so-called "take" permits allowing Native Americans to kill golden eagles for religious purposes, spokeswoman Diane Katzenberger said. The permit allowing a tribal take of bald eagles is believed to be the first of its kind. Approval for the permit for the Northern Arapaho stems from a federal lawsuit the tribe filed in November that claimed the government's ban on the taking of an eagle infringed on religious and free speech rights guaranteed to tribal members by federal law, the constitution and treaties. The Northern Arapaho first applied to the service in October 2009 and submitted a revised application in November 2010 to harvest eagles to be used in the "sun dance," an annual summer ceremony sacred to the tribe. It was unclear whether the lawsuit would now be withdrawn. Andrew Baldwin, attorney for the tribe, said the Northern Arapaho would seek to renew the permit each year. SUN DANCE The bald eagle soared back from the brink of extinction after a 1972 ban on the pesticide DDT and after protections under the Endangered Species Act in 1978. Breeding pairs have climbed from about 400 in 1963 to an estimated 9,700 today. The Northern Arapaho say a robust population of eagles and the fact that the service is considering an application by a wind developer in Oregon that would permit the killing of golden eagles are sufficient reasons to approve their request. The whirring blades of wind turbines can kill eagles. The permit was issued to the tribe on March 9 "after careful consideration," according to the service. Groups like the American Bird Conservancy say they support giving priority to permits for public safety - near airports, for example - and tribal religious needs. Outside of those areas, permits need to be carefully evaluated to ensure they will not reduce the still-recovering bald eagle populations, conservancy vice-president Darin Schroeder said. The sun dance, which requires the use of eagle feathers, and other ceremonies were banned as "Indian offenses" by the Bureau of Indian Affairs in the 1890s and it wasn't until 1934 that the government formally lifted those prohibitions, according to the Native American Rights Fund. For the Northern Arapaho tribe's St. Claire, the bald eagle is a powerful symbol of native pride just as the sun dance is a powerful symbol of native spirituality. "When we do take a bird, it will be treated with the utmost respect. Every part of it will be used and nothing will be wasted," he said. The government maintains a repository for Native American tribes for feathers and other parts of eagles killed by accident or by poaching. But the demand can exceed supply and St. Claire said those articles are sometime unfit for ceremonial purposes. "The feathers have to be in good condition - not damaged by being frozen - because they are meant to be used all through the person's life and even passed from father to son," he said.[/quote] [url]http://www.wtkr.com/news/nationworld/sns-rt-us-usa-eagles-tribebre82e035-20120314,0,6847763.story[/url]
Communists!
Worst than Hitler and Stalin and Obama combined those inhuman monsters killing the great animal of freedom this is worse than Jesus dying!!!! Retarded post aside, I'm really on the fence on this. But I don't think it'll have that big of a massive impact. At the same time, why Bald Eagles?
So what as long as they don't kill every fucking bird in the country besides they probably did they way before we got here.
As much as I respect all that native american religion stuff, I think this is a bad idea. I want to see the Bald Eagles remain for a long time.
Looks like a case of the government functioning properly. The bald eagle is out of endangerment and is vital to their religious ceremonies, so a limited permit was granted so they could carry on their culture. The birds don't take a huge hit (9700 breeding pairs!) and a significant portion of the population is treated according to the law. [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raizo;35148169]As much as I respect all that native american religion stuff, I think this is a bad idea. I want to see the Bald Eagles remain for a long time.[/QUOTE] If you read the article, they're not in any danger. Except the one that'll be killed. That one's in danger.
[QUOTE=Raizo;35148169]As much as I respect all that native american religion stuff, I think this is a bad idea. I want to see the Bald Eagles remain for a long time.[/QUOTE] Bald Eagles are badass [IMG]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz5s0vYZWx1qa9qvco1_500.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=scout1;35148201] If you read the article, they're not in any danger. Except the one that'll be killed. That one's in danger.[/QUOTE] I know this. My point was that I want the killings of them to remain illegal.
Indians aren't going to over-hunt.
[QUOTE=Raizo;35148169]As much as I respect all that native american religion stuff, I think this is a bad idea. I want to see the Bald Eagles remain for a long time.[/QUOTE] Its not like this is a free permit to fire on every bald eagle they see, its a ceremony that in most cases is done once [I]annually.[/I] More birds die of natural causes than these ceremonies. They've stated that it is treated with the utmost respect and not one part of the bird is wasted. They've gone through and played by our rules in order to get permission to do something they did way before we got here and screwed stuff up. And way back when, there were a lot more of them and a lot more ceremonies held, and it wasn't until we showed up that they started to die off so... its not them causing the problem. I say let em do it. Its technically still their land and they're following all the rules, go for it.
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It's about time the Americans stopped imposing their laws on the natives.
Good. Eagles are an extremely important aspect of many Native American religions and culture, denying them this right is denying a major part of their religion and heritage. It's not like they're going to kill them in the dozens every week and sell the feathers.
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;35148942]It's about time the Americans stopped imposing their laws on the natives.[/QUOTE] The natives are Americans, just like every other inhabitant of the continent.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35148151]Worst than Hitler and Stalin and Obama combined those inhuman monsters killing the great animal of freedom this is worse than Jesus dying!!!! Retarded post aside, I'm really on the fence on this. But I don't think it'll have that big of a massive impact. At the same time, why Bald Eagles?[/QUOTE] Like Jesus dying is a big deal
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35149444]The natives are Americans, just like every other inhabitant of the continent.[/QUOTE] I doubt most US citizens share this opinion
[QUOTE=Raizo;35148169]As much as I respect all that native american religion stuff, I think this is a bad idea. I want to see the Bald Eagles remain for a long time.[/QUOTE] Ideally, every country should keep its nature in good condition and take care of it, and of its animals. Keeping track of populations and informing about it, basic shit in my country really. And surely the hunters for sport would also like the animals to remain for a long time. Meaning that it's okay to hunt, as long as you don't go wild with it and drive the animals into extinction.
War on natives.
Incoming controversy and drawn-out flame battle that will last longer then the Battle of Stalingrad. [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/emoot/sax.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/emoot/sax.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/emoot/sax.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/emoot/sax.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/emoot/sax.gif[/IMG]
Today- bald eagles, tomorrow- our women.
rather have this tribe kill bald eagles than republicans drill oil everywhere.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;35149669]I doubt most US citizens share this opinion[/QUOTE] What do you mean? My friend is native american, descending from the Iroquois but I forget which tribe, and he gets treated as good as anyone else here.
As an Indian this makes me pretty happy. now, imagine the sheer amount of upper-middle class white rage if Middle Easterners tried to impose restrictions on Christian ceremonies. [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=FullStreak12;35155469]What do you mean? My friend is native american, descending from the Iroquois but I forget which tribe, and he gets treated as good as anyone else here.[/QUOTE] Tell your friend he's pretty lucky. In Canada we get treated like shit.
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I don't have an issue with this. Sucks that they feel that they need to, but I don't think we should stop them from practicing their religion. They were here first, anyway.
I liked Benjamin Franklin's idea of having the turkey as our national bird.
2 Eagles a year, who gives a fuck. Not me that's who.
I think we had allowances for that out here for a short while until we caught on people were culling the birds so they could fuel their drug and booze habits.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35155393]rather have this tribe kill bald eagles than republicans drill oil everywhere.[/QUOTE] Could you stop doing this please? You do this in every thread you post in. Look, I hate the Republicans as much as the next guy, and I don't want them "drilling oil everywhere" either, but this thread has no relation and you are purposely stirring up shit for... I don't know why you do it.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35156450]Could you stop doing this please? You do this in every thread you post in. Look, I hate the Republicans as much as the next guy, and I don't want them "drilling oil everywhere" either, but this thread has no relation and you are purposely stirring up shit for... I don't know why you do it.[/QUOTE] no deal
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