• House passes payroll tax plan opposed by Obama
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[QUOTE]Washington (CNN) -- Another Washington political showdown took shape Tuesday as the House of Representatives passed a Republican plan that would extend the payroll tax cut and speed the process for government approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline. The bill, approved on a 234-193 vote largely on party lines, now goes to the Senate, where it was unlikely to pass due to strong opposition from Democratic leaders. In addition, a White House policy statement said President Barack Obama would veto the plan if it reached his desk, setting up further brinksmanship in coming days with Congress scheduled to leave Washington for its holiday recess at the end of the week. The impasse involves a convergence of major issues, including the payroll tax-cut extension and a spending bill that must pass in order to keep the government funded after Friday. Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, agreed that Congress must not go home for the holidays without extending the payroll tax cut that saves working Americans an average of $1,000 a year, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters. Without spelling out a specific order of necessary steps, Carney made clear that Obama wants Congress to approve both a payroll tax plan and the broad government spending bill. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky characterized the Democratic stance as a threat to delay action on the spending plan until a compromise is reached on the payroll tax cut measure. That could cause a government shutdown after Friday, McConnell warned. Carney, however, insisted that Congress has plenty of time to act on all of the outstanding measures, and called for a payroll tax extension free of the pipeline provision. Earlier, Speaker John Boehner and other House Republican leaders told reporters that the payroll tax measure to be voted on later in the day had bipartisan support and would create jobs while also preventing a tax increase for American workers next year. Asked about opposition by Senate Democrats who say they will reject the House measure, Boehner said: "The Senate will have to do whatever they have to do." The pipeline, which is currently in limbo as the State Department considers objections from environmentalists, would bring oil from Canada's oil sands in northern Alberta to Texas. The State Department recently said its decision on the Keystone XL pipeline would be delayed until 2013 to allow examination of environmental issues raised by critics, a move Republicans labeled as political, to put off the issue until after next year's presidential election.House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Virginia, said the payroll tax cut measure does exactly what Obama has been calling for by providing tax protection for working class Americans while creating new jobs through the pipeline project. Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, offered a colorful take on what will happen if Reid blocks the House plan, as threatened. "If Sen. Reid wants to hold up the jobs bill, he will go on Santa's naughty list," Hensarling said. Reid and other Democrats argue the pipeline project requires more study and should not be fast-tracked as part of a political calculation by Republicans. On Tuesday, Reid said Republicans must compromise with Democrats instead of trying to push through proposals intended to appease conservatives in their caucus. "Speaker Boehner had to add ideological candy coating to his bill to get rebellious, rank-and-file Republicans on board," Reid said, adding: "They are wasting time catering to the tea party when they should be working with Democrats on a bipartisan package that can pass both houses." The House GOP proposal would both change the process and shorten the time frame for the government to approve the proposed pipeline from Canada to Texas. But Monday, the State Department said that would make it impossible for it to complete needed environmental, national security and safety studies. "In the absence of properly completing the process, the department would be unable to make a determination to issue a permit for this project," the State Department said in a written response to questions about the measure. Boehner dismissed the State Department's warning later Monday, saying the pipeline had been under review for three years and, "All the work has been done." "The only thing arbitrary about this decision is the decision by the president to say, 'Well, let's wait until after the next election,'" Boehner said. "The American people want jobs, and this is as close to a shovel-ready project as you're ever going to see." The House GOP measure extends the payroll tax cut for one year and renews aid for the unemployed, while cutting back the maximum length of jobless benefits from the current 99 weeks to 59. The bill also allows states more flexibility in distributing unemployment assistance, permitting states to require those applying to submit to drug tests or show they are pursuing a high school degree, if they don't have one. The bill would also avoid a scheduled cut in pay for Medicare physicians for two years, a provision known as the "doc fix." To pay for the bill, GOP leaders use a series of spending cuts, including freezing pay for federal employees and members of Congress, eliminating a child tax credit for those in the United States illegally, and increasing Medicare premiums for those who earn more than $80,000 annually. The pipeline issue is just one part of the problem for Senate Democrats who disagree with "central elements" of the GOP bill, including the length of the unemployment insurance extension, the proposed cost offsets and the weakening of some environmental regulations. Carney said Tuesday the spending cuts go deeper than levels agreed to in August in the deal negotiated by Congress and the White House to raise the federal debt ceiling. Democrats led by Obama have been pushing for the payroll tax cut extension; Republicans initially opposed the plan but have now signed on. However, the parties are at loggerheads over how to pay for it as well as the political optics over who should get credit, as an election year approaches. As a way to garner support from reluctant conservative Republicans, who voiced concerns about the impact of the payroll tax cut on Social Security, GOP leaders insisted on keeping the provision aimed at moving toward approving the pipeline project within 60 days. Senate Democrats have begun working on a new bill of their own after Republicans blocked progress on their previous proposals that included a surtax on income over $1 million. Meanwhile, in the other big bill Congress needs to get done before funding expires, House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers told reporters off the House floor Monday that negotiators have worked out a deal on the year-end spending bill that wraps nine remaining bills into one package. The Kentucky Republican said there are some "policy riders" in the deal, but he declined to get into any specifics on which ones, saying he wants the staff to finish writing the legislation before he talks about any details. But Rogers said it is taking some time to "cross the T's" so the bill would not be posted online Monday night, which puts off the House vote to Thursday at the earliest. Rogers was confident the House would pass the bill, saying, "We'll get it done by" Friday. According to two senior House Republican leadership aides, Reid has told Boehner he would hold up the spending bill until both sides negotiate a compromise on the payroll tax cut bill. Asked about a potential government shutdown, House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland said Congress may need to pass a short-term spending measure to prevent a shutdown if the parties fail to reach agreement on the various unresolved issues, including the extension of both the payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits. Carney also said Tuesday that a continuing resolution on spending is a possible short-term solution to provide more time to work out a deal on the payroll tax measure.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/13/politics/congress-payroll-tax-cut/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url]
To pay for it they want to freeze pay for federal employees? Great fucking thinking!
[QUOTE=Nikota;33709716]To pay for it they want to freeze pay for federal employees? Great fucking thinking![/QUOTE] Snip, I was lost and confused, and then I found the way
What are the environmental issues caused by the pipeline?
[quote]In addition, a White House policy statement said President Barack Obama would veto the plan if it reached his desk.[/quote] Oh boy, Obama isn't taking anymore of this shit, this is gonna be fun to watch.
[quote]speed the process for government approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline.[/quote] BOOOOO! what a group of assholes.
Not to change the subject but isn't the payroll tax technically illegal because of something in the constitution?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;33709727]What are the environmental issues caused by the pipeline?[/QUOTE] I'd guess the construction and any possible leaks that may occur.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;33710219]Not to change the subject but isn't the payroll tax technically illegal because of something in the constitution?[/QUOTE] Like that would matter these days.
[QUOTE=zombays;33709726]Darn, looks like they'll have to sleep on their beds made out of money. What a shame :v:[/QUOTE] instead of gold [editline]13th December 2011[/editline] sounded better in my head
[QUOTE=zombays;33709726]Darn, looks like they'll have to sleep on their beds made out of money. What a shame :v:[/QUOTE] Not all Federal employees are just loaded with cash you know. My dad is a federal employee.
Wait I'm confused, is Obama for or against it? It starts out saying he'll veto it, but then goes on with "Obama wants Congress to approve a payroll tax plan".
I think that Obama should use reverse psychology.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33710574]Wait I'm confused, is Obama for or against it? It starts out saying he'll veto it, but then goes on with "Obama wants Congress to approve a payroll tax plan".[/QUOTE] I think he wants one without the oil pipeline thing
[QUOTE=zombays;33709726]Darn, looks like they'll have to sleep on their beds made out of money. What a shame :v:[/QUOTE] mailmen are also federal employees
[QUOTE=Sector 7;33711761]mailmen are also federal employees[/QUOTE] Shit.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;33709727]What are the environmental issues caused by the pipeline?[/QUOTE] Refining oil sands is one of the dirtiest ways of producing fuel (as far as emissions go). Due to all of the extra energy required to process it, it's considerably worse than conventional crude oil. Also, there are concerns about possibly safety/leakage issues. The current plans for the pipeline call for it to cross over the Ogallala Aquifer which supplies ~30% of all irrigation water in the US, as well as nearly all of the drinking water for Nebraska and several other states.
Republicans don't have a supermajority. If Obama vetoes as promised, it's not passing.
[quote]plan that would extend the payroll tax cut and speed the process for government approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline.[/quote] it should be illegal to include two or more unrelated things in one bill
[QUOTE=elfbarf;33712039]Refining oil sands is one of the dirtiest ways of producing fuel (as far as emissions go). Due to all of the extra energy required to process it, it's considerably worse than conventional crude oil. Also, there are concerns about possibly safety/leakage issues. The current plans for the pipeline call for it to cross over the Ogallala Aquifer which supplies ~30% of all irrigation water in the US, as well as nearly all of the drinking water for Nebraska and several other states.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't be surprised if it interfered with animals' natural habitat as well.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33712172]it should be illegal to include two or more unrelated things in one bill[/QUOTE] I read about these things, they're called riders. Anytime someone wants to get something passed that will never be passed, they attach it to something that will pass. It's a dirty trick
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33710574]Wait I'm confused, is Obama for or against it? It starts out saying he'll veto it, but then goes on with "Obama wants Congress to approve a payroll tax plan".[/QUOTE] He wants congress to approve a payroll tax cut plan, but paid for by a tax on people making over $1 million.
So Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone? Great job. The last thing the workers and middle class need is higher taxes.
Wait, that oil line thing. An oil line from Canada to Texas? Wouldn't that impose some serious envrionmental risks with a pipeline covering that much distance? Or am I thinking something totally different when it says 'pipeline'?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;33712177]Wouldn't be surprised if it interfered with animals' natural habitat as well.[/QUOTE] Oh, there's no doubt that it will, and it'll probably force quite a few people to move as well. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vaught;33712726]Wait, that oil line thing. An oil line from Canada to Texas? Wouldn't that impose some serious envrionmental risks with a pipeline covering that much distance? Or am I thinking something totally different when it says 'pipeline'?[/QUOTE] It's pretty much what it sounds like. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Truck_Hauling_36-inch_Pipe_To_Build_Keystone_XL_Pipeline.jpg[/url]
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33712631]So Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone? Great job. The last thing the workers and middle class need is higher taxes.[/QUOTE] what a scholar!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33712172]it should be illegal to include two or more unrelated things in one bill[/QUOTE] Sounds like a load of Self Interest IE: Greed and Corruption.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33712172]it should be illegal to include two or more unrelated things in one bill[/QUOTE] It's called a Rider and it's an extremely dirty tactic used to either pass something that would never pass on it's own, or to sabotage a bill that would have otherwise passed. It should definitely be illegal and [I]something[/I] needs to be done about it, anything from allowing the President to omit parts of a bill when he signs it, to outlawing them completely.
I wonder why people can be stupid enough to even vote for republicans.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33712631]So Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone? Great job. The last thing the workers and middle class need is higher taxes.[/QUOTE] i heard he is also forcing all white people into slavery as revenge for slavery of black people!!
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