T-Mobile store employee with concealed carry license shoots 2 armed robbery suspects (Chicago) - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://abc7chicago.com/news/t-mobile-store-employee-shoots-2-armed-robbery-suspects/1157778/[/url] [quote]The T-Mobile store in the 2000-block of East 95th St. was left riddled with bullet holes. If not for the employee carrying a weapon with a concealed carry license, the manager of the store says he might be telling a different story. "I think concealed carry is a great opportunity for managers, workers, employees to protect themselves in these cases. And our employee did a great job to protect themselves and the other employee," said Neil Tadros, store manager. He says two men entered the store and acted like they were shopping for phones for a few minutes, then pulled out guns. One employee ran to the back to call for help while the other pulled out his own gun and fired at the two suspects. He hit one of them in the groin and the arm, and the other in the abdomen and the arm. The men ran from the store with the employee chasing them, on the phone giving a description to police. The suspects then drove to a nearby hospital where police took them into custody. Neighbors say the cell phone store has been robbed several times in the last month. Ed Brown was working in the salon next door. "We just started hearing gunshots. At first we couldn't really tell what it was, but it was coming back to back so we kinda caught on. Everybody hit the floor and just took cover," Brown said. Police said the suspects, ages 24 and 35, are listed in serious condition at Stroger Hospital. Witnesses said they don't believe the suspects ever fired their weapons.[/quote] Video in the source.

Now that's what I call a shot Landed one right in the nads

Awesome! I don't have a problem with this. Armed security itself has never bothered me.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49526129]Awesome! I don't have a problem with this. Armed security itself has never bothered me.[/QUOTE] This is simply an employee that happened to have a concealed carry license though, actual armed security isn't usually [I]concealed[/I] carry but rather very obvious carry

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;49526154]This is simply an employee that happened to have a concealed carry license though, actual armed security isn't usually [I]concealed[/I] carry but rather very obvious carry[/QUOTE] I know, but I think people might being too far with the whole retaliation to the whole "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" mentality. The initial use of the phrase was really stupid, but I know people that try so hard to not be whatever that is that they remove all merit that weapons have. Retaliation with guns isn't always a bad thing, and this is kind of an example of that. I more or less meant the use of weapons at all within the work context instead of security guards specifically. I wouldn't have a problem if the the manager at returns or one of the managing cashiers had a gun underneath at the old job I worked at.

I carry at work everyday. Fuck policy. I did need it one day and it may have saved me from some serious shit. Had I followed some made up feel good rules the company I worked for cobbled together it may have ended badly for me. Ultimately it's my life and I'm legally allowed to carry so I will.

I seriously wonder why anti gun people blatantly ignore stories like this. Guns fucking save lives (of innocent people). [editline]13th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wauterboi;49526129]Awesome! I don't have a problem with this. Armed security itself has never bothered me.[/QUOTE] Read the article dude, it wasn't a security guard. Dude had a CCW.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49526353]Read the article dude, it wasn't a security guard. Dude had a CCW.[/QUOTE] Read my last post dude [quote]I more or less meant the use of weapons at all within the work context instead of security guards specifically.[/quote]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49526387]Read my last post dude[/QUOTE] US law states people can protect themselves. Gun free zones don't work. Statically speaking.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49526175] I more or less meant the use of weapons at all within the work context instead of security guards specifically. I wouldn't have a problem if the the manager at returns or one of the managing cashiers had a gun underneath at the old job I worked at.[/QUOTE] To be honest, most places do not want their security guards to engage criminals. In fact, that's the fastest way to get fired. They want you to contact police, doing anything else would get you kicked out from the position.

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[QUOTE=gufu;49526533]To be honest, most places do not want their security guards to engage criminals. In fact, that's the fastest way to get fired. They want you to contact police, doing anything else would get you kicked out from the position.[/QUOTE] Most of the time it puts you, the other employees, and the customers in a needlessly risky situation. It can vary wildly case by case though.

I've been told by friends who work in retail that they're told to follow the directions of robbers and specifically not to attempt to stop them.

[QUOTE=cody8295;49526684]I've been told by friends who work in retail that they're told to follow the directions of robbers and specifically not to attempt to stop them.[/QUOTE] Thank insurance for that. They don't wanna foot the bill

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49526292]I carry at work everyday. Fuck policy.[/QUOTE] I'm not judging you either way about this, but I'd be scared out of my mind to bring a gun to work if they explicitly did not allow it. I'm just now getting used to swearing with co-workers, bringing a gun to work seems a bit risky, isn't it?

[QUOTE=srobins;49526737]I'm not judging you either way about this, but I'd be scared out of my mind to bring a gun to work if they explicitly did not allow it. I'm just now getting used to swearing with co-workers, bringing a gun to work seems a bit risky, isn't it?[/QUOTE] Scared why? It's your right.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49526694]Thank insurance for that. They don't wanna foot the bill[/QUOTE] I'm sure this is partly true given how disgusting insurance companies are, but to be fair, following instructions is also the safest way to do things, and will likely result in the least amount of employee injuries/casualties.. [sp]Thank the legal division for that one! They don't want to deal with the employee lawsuits ;)[/sp]

[QUOTE=srobins;49526753]I'm sure this is partly true given how disgusting insurance companies are, but to be fair, following instructions is also the safest way to do things, and will likely result in the least amount of employee injuries/casualties.. [sp]Thank the legal division for that one! They don't want to deal with the employee lawsuits ;)[/sp][/QUOTE] That's why convenience stores tell employees to just hand over money.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49526748]Scared why? It's your right.[/QUOTE] It just seems like a pretty serious rule to break at work. Wasn't judging, just thought it was weird.

[QUOTE=srobins;49526769]It just seems like a pretty serious rule to break at work. Wasn't judging, just thought it was weird.[/QUOTE] Breaking rules at an hourly job is pretty insignificant compared to what your life is worth.

[QUOTE=srobins;49526737]I'm not judging you either way about this, but I'd be scared out of my mind to bring a gun to work if they explicitly did not allow it. I'm just now getting used to swearing with co-workers, bringing a gun to work seems a bit risky, isn't it?[/QUOTE] Risky in terms of getting fired, safer in terms of being able to protect yourself if the worst happens.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49526782]Breaking rules at an hourly job is pretty insignificant compared to what your life is worth.[/QUOTE] I mean, on the day that you happen to get robbed and save yourself with your weapon, yeah it's great. But carrying your weapon regularly [I]in case[/I] of that happening I would just imagine you'd be caught and reprimanded before that day ever came. [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] I suppose it depends where you work at. Someone working at a Chicago 7/11 will probably care more about the gun than the job, compared to say someone working at McDonalds in a nice neighborhood.

I don't know how true this is, but my friend that works for Coffee Bean was told that during robberies and such, that they need to protect customers. If anyone pulled a gun where I work, I'd just open the register no problem.

[QUOTE=gufu;49526533]To be honest, most places do not want their security guards to engage criminals. In fact, that's the fastest way to get fired. They want you to contact police, doing anything else would get you kicked out from the position.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm aware of that. The old place I was hired at had a security team that wanted to [I]catch[/I] people doing illegal stuff so they could then be dealt with by the police and banned from ever entering the store ever again. The problem is that they have no ability to deal with criminals which, in one instance, resulted in a pretty brutal assault on one of my coworkers. In an instance when it elevates that high, there are no precautions. That is my problem. Lethal force should be allowed, but you need a smart guy in that position to make the distinction.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49527003]Yeah, I'm aware of that. The old place I was hired at had a security team that wanted to [I]catch[/I] people doing illegal stuff so they could then be dealt with by the police and banned from ever entering the store ever again. The problem is that they have no ability to deal with criminals which, in one instance, resulted in a pretty brutal assault on one of my coworkers. In an instance when it elevates that high, there are no precautions. That is my problem. Lethal force should be allowed, but you need a smart guy in that position to make the distinction.[/QUOTE] I'm one of those guys you're talking about, I'm pretty sure. Loss Prevention. I proactively catch shoplifters and we prosecute them. The CCW I have is not for this job, it's for myself. I'm never going to shoot a shoplifter, that's retarded but I need to state that because that's the first thing people assume when I say I carry at my job. Well, unless the guy had me on the ground and was stabbing me or beating me to death. Than maybe I would. But if they pull a weapon, I just let them go and send the PD after them. Primarily I have it on me for going to and from work, like in the parking lot at night when getting in my truck or in the unlikely event there is an active shooter. And even if the store I worked for was robbed or I was a witness to a robbery I'd be very hesitant about drawing that gun. I'm more on the side of 'let the insurance handle it' I really don't want to have to shoot someone, but I'm willing to in defense of my life or another life. If they want the money, they should take it and run. But if I feel out the situation and I think they may start killing people or taking us hostage I'm not going to let that happen without a fight. [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=srobins;49526804]I mean, on the day that you happen to get robbed and save yourself with your weapon, yeah it's great. But carrying your weapon regularly [I]in case[/I] of that happening I would just imagine you'd be caught and reprimanded before that day ever came. [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] I suppose it depends where you work at. Someone working at a Chicago 7/11 will probably care more about the gun than the job, compared to say someone working at McDonalds in a nice neighborhood.[/QUOTE] It's doesn't scare me in the least. It's just an item like your cellphone or car keys. No one has ever found out I had it unless I explicitly told them. I wear it in an ankle-holster and when I leave work for the night I put it into a holster I keep in my waistband encase someone tries to kill me for my car or something. And ultimately I rather get fired than to be killed because I didn't have it. I was at work when I posted but I'll elaborate without going into detail. We had a black out at my work one night. I guess you could describe the area I work in as "the ghetto" but I don't think it's that bad. Either way, everyone lost their mind and I had to stay at the store all night until the power came back on or we got another guard out there to be on night watch. I left the store to drop off an associate and came back, the Manager wasn't waiting at the door so while I was waiting for him to let me in some guy came over to me and asked me if I had the keys to the store, if I had a car, if I knew what the crime index for the area was and than asked me if I thought I had an angel with me tonight. I don't know what he was planning but I went into my waistband and put my hand on my gun, I didn't draw but he saw me do it and when I started to issue him commands and shine my flashlight at him he finally got discouraged and took off. I called the PD and it took them like 20 minutes to get there since the blackout was bringing out the worst in people. The power had been out for like two hours by that point and people were going around breaking into stores and robbing people. If I didn't have my gun I don't know what would have happened, but because I had it I was able to avoid any conflict and if he had decided to attack me or something the Police would've been 20 minutes too late. (Assuming I could even manage to call them) And I'll point this out; If you have to use it and it's a good shot than most likely people will praise you. You just have to be comfortable with your weapon and know what you're shooting at and what is behind it. If that guy had drawn and accidentally struck an innocent person this thread would be full of people calling him a cowboy and calling for his incarceration. In the video you can see that T-Mobile had this sign outside: [t]https://i.gyazo.com/af25ed0c8e6a4bf9d5a83d6e3842c005.png[/t] Notice that sign didn't stop those armed robbers from coming in there to do what they did. Nor did it stop a law-abiding citizen from being disarmed. It's just a sign and at the end of the day if you made a good shot, did the right thing the worst that will happen to you is you will get fired. You can't be charged criminally for carrying in a "Gun Free Zone" unless it's a Federal or State facility place like a School or something. Carried by six or judged by twelve, as the saying goes.

I need to go back to Chicago it's a lot of pettyness going around.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49527224]Primarily I have it on me for going to and from work, like in the parking lot at night when getting in my truck or in the unlikely event there is an active shooter. And even if the store I worked for was robbed or I was a witness to a robbery I'd be very hesitant about drawing that gun. I'm more on the side of 'let the insurance handle it' I really don't want to have to shoot someone, but I'm willing to in defense of my life or another life. If they want the money, they should take it and run. But if I feel out the situation and I think they may start killing people or taking us hostage I'm not going to let that happen without a fight.[/QUOTE] While I mostly agree with you (i.e. it's not for frequent use or anything [I]at all[/I]), I dunno. If someone's going to pull a gun on someone else I'd be focused on shooting them. I think that should be the default unless you're outnumbered. Unless that is what you're trying to say with the whole hostage thing, in which case I totally agree.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49527591]While I mostly agree with you (i.e. it's not for frequent use or anything [I]at all[/I]), I dunno. If someone's going to pull a gun on someone else I'd be focused on shooting them. I think that should be the default unless you're outnumbered. Unless that is what you're trying to say with the whole hostage thing, in which case I totally agree.[/QUOTE] Every circumstance is different. If I was in line at a gas station and some guy ran up to the clerk with a gun and demanded money I think I'd let it just play out. If he can take the money and leave that's probably better than me having to shoot another person, go to jail that night, hire an attorney, go to court, plead my case that will be picked apart by people and hopefully not get charged with wrongful death or something. Personally, I think the best course of action is to immediately take the shot if I can, because he may at any moment use that firearm kill one of us. But the reality is because of the State I live in I'd be very cautious to ever do that. I may not want to die but I also don't want to be put in jail because I wasn't able to prove in court that I made the "right" decision in their eyes. It's easy to sit in a jury and say "He shouldn't have done that, he should have done this" but they weren't there and will pass judgement anyway like everyone had a clear head, no fear and no adrenaline. So I don't feel confident about shooting armed robbers without the absolute certain need to do it to preserve my life. Now, if the guy robbed the store in the same situation and than said "Okay, everyone get into the store room or I'm going to start wasting you." I'm not going to let him do that. It's beyond monetary gain at that point, he already has the money, now he may just do something evil like execute us or something. Like during the Hi-Fi Murders: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders[/url] It's a tough call. Maybe I would take the shot during a robbery, maybe I wouldn't. I also have to be sure that by me doing so I wouldn't be potentially injuring innocent people. I will also mention that I see BOLO's from 7-11's and all kinds of other convenience stores in my area where armed robberies occur and they usually just take the cash and run. So I'd hope that would be the outcome for me. It's not like I'm a cop either I have no obligation to stop robberies. My only responsibility as I see it is to protect my life or others if their lives are in immediate and clear danger.

I can respect that position, and I can understand your standpoint. The legal system sucks.

For those seconds when police are minutes away Usually just letting them have what they want is all it takes and they'll piss off, but you never know. Seen plenty of armed robberies where the guy wasn't happy with his take, and shot the clerk. Some shot the clerk just because