China Opposes the US Spreading of Democratic Values through the SAT - Polidicks

[QUOTE][url]http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-sat-exam-american-values-chinese-students-20140829-story.html[/url] Chinese students have shown an insatiable appetite for attending U.S. colleges — last year alone, more than 235,000 were enrolled at American institutions of higher education. But now, some in China are grousing that the SAT may impose American values on its best and brightest, who in preparation for the exam might be studying the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights instead of “The Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung.” “Including content from America's founding documents in a revised U.S. college entry exam has drawn attention in China, with worries the materials may impose the American values system on students,” China’s official New China News Agency said last week. The U.S. College Board in March announced plans to redesign the SAT to include key U.S. historical documents in one portion of the test, known as the Evidence-Based Reading and Writing, by spring 2016. “The vital issues central to these documents — freedom, justice, and human dignity among them — have motivated numerous people in the United States and around the globe,” the College Board said in a statement. But those are the exact values that the Chinese Communist Party has deemed as threatening to its rule; Chinese activists who have tried to promote such values have been silenced or jailed. Human rights advocate Xu Zhiyong, who initiated the New Citizens Movement to promote such values, was sentenced in January to four years in prison. ...“If the new SAT succeeds, it will be the first time America is able to systematically shape the views, beliefs and ideologies of hundreds of thousands of Chinese students every year, not through a popular television show or a politician's speaking tour, but through what the Chinese care about most — exams,” ...“Why is Chinese higher education losing its appeal to our students? Does anyone in China still believe in the Communist ideology?” Zhang said. “It looks like the only thing everyone cares about today is money.” [/QUOTE]

fuck you chinese government

Why would anyone be worried about the fucking SAT imposing American values upon students when they're sending their students to an American university for four years where they're most certainly going to pick up more than a few American values?

lol this made my morning just having them come over here tears down that flimsy facade of superiority the chinese communists indoctrinate their children with, the more the outside world infiltrates china the less hold the chinese communist party will have over their people [editline]6th September 2014[/editline] its not just the west though, anime from japan, phones from america, just visiting other countries gives them an opportunity to think

those evil americans!!!!!!

[QUOTE=Sand^;45907955]Why would anyone be worried about the fucking SAT imposing American values upon students when they're sending their students to an American university for four years where they're most certainly going to pick up more than a few American values?[/QUOTE] Apparently you can't even take the SAT within the country. Everybody has to go on vacation to Hong Kong, the most free part of China.

China has the biggest braindrain in history. It's like they think their population consists of retards.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;45908145]China has the biggest braindrain in history. It's like they think their population consists of retards.[/QUOTE] One of the most economically successful countries of the 21st century is full of retards? Got it.

[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;45908175]One of the most economically successful countries of the 21st century is full of retards? Got it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Swebonny;45908145]China has the biggest braindrain in history. [B]It's like they think[/B] their population consists of retards.[/QUOTE] What is reading?

[QUOTE]Zhang said. “It looks like the only thing everyone cares about today is money.”[/QUOTE] Call me indoctrinated by western philosophy, but what's wrong with trying to make your life a little better? I suppose it's just a power thing?

[quote]The vital issues central to these documents — freedom, justice, and human dignity among them[/quote] [quote]those are the exact values that the Chinese Communist Party has deemed as threatening to its rule[/quote] Could you get anymore authoritarian :v:

That dude sounds a lot like Penultimo

[QUOTE=sasherz;45908850]Call me indoctrinated by western philosophy, but what's wrong with trying to make your life a little better? I suppose it's just a power thing?[/QUOTE] Money isn't the only way to make life better. America kind of focuses too much on money and wealth as status symbols, to my taste. I was extremely surprised when I learned that most Americans work on weekends. In Europe, being at home with family at the end of the week and going on vacation a lot is something more important than money (even though we obviously still prefer riches to being poor). Still, it's silly that China has such a hate boner for justice and human dignity. The regime knows it isn't just nor respects human life, and they seem perfectly okay with that.

The Chinese government should just let their students read Facepunch sensational headlines and they'll think twice before going west.

Why does everyone think china is mind controlling everyone

[QUOTE=Sand^;45907955]Why would anyone be worried about the fucking SAT imposing American values upon students when they're sending their students to an American university for four years where they're most certainly going to pick up more than a few American values?[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised; at Warwick the Chinese students are notorious for keeping to themselves.

[QUOTE=Pyroknight;45910291]Why does everyone think china is mind controlling everyone[/QUOTE] Well with suppression of the knowledge of events such as Tiananmen Square, they are pretty much doing the most that is realistically possible towards mind control.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;45910646]Well with suppression of the knowledge of events such as Tiananmen Square, they are pretty much doing the most that is realistically possible towards mind control.[/QUOTE] Every country has some sins they want to forget. We could talk about genocide that happened with Native Americans, slavery, racism, WW2... But that was long time ago and people changed, forgot or just ignore the facts.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;45911005]Every country has some sins they want to forget. We could talk about genocide that happened with Native Americans, slavery, racism, WW2... But that was long time ago and people changed, forgot or just ignore the facts.[/QUOTE] But the suppression of knowledge of Tiananmen Square and similar authoritarian acts are still in effect, they certainly haven't been forgotten.

[QUOTE=Pyroknight;45910291]Why does everyone think china is mind controlling everyone[/QUOTE] Because dude for fucks sake, do you even know what their government does? I mean, REALLY, like, have you googled "Censorship in China"....?

[QUOTE=AntonioR;45911005]Every country has some sins they want to forget. We could talk about genocide that happened with Native Americans, slavery, racism, WW2... But that was long time ago and people changed, forgot or just ignore the facts.[/QUOTE] At least we can talk about and discuss those things, you'll get your shit wrecked if you try to talk about China's skeletons over there

[QUOTE=AntonioR;45911005]Every country has some sins they want to forget. We could talk about genocide that happened with Native Americans, slavery, racism, WW2... But that was long time ago and people changed, forgot or just ignore the facts.[/QUOTE] Except we don't ignore the facts. In schools here in Australia students are taught about the [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations]Stolen Generations[/URL] and all the other crimes committed by European settlers ranging from the late eighteenth century to as late as a few decades ago. We also learn about slavery and discrimination more broadly across the entire world. We certainly don't forget. The difference with China is that their government actively pursues deleting all records of events like Tiananmen Square and punishing anyone who brings the event into the public light. We don't want to forget our sins, we want to remember them so that we don't repeat them. China doesn't do that, and it's going to bite them on the ass in years to come.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;45911005]Every country has some sins they want to forget. We could talk about genocide that happened with Native Americans, slavery, racism, WW2... But that was long time ago and people changed, forgot or just ignore the facts.[/QUOTE] The difference between any of that and Tienanmen square is that they're not being actively hidden by the government.

[QUOTE=Sand^;45907955]Why would anyone be worried about the fucking SAT imposing American values upon students when they're sending their students to an American university for four years where they're most certainly going to pick up more than a few American values?[/QUOTE] they're worried about brain drain most likely. [editline]6th September 2014[/editline] less students take the SAT -> need the SAT to get into american colleges (as far as im aware) -> less chinese students go to america -> less brain drain

[QUOTE=AntonioR;45911005]Every country has some sins they want to forget. We could talk about genocide that happened with Native Americans, slavery, racism, WW2... But that was long time ago and people changed, forgot or just ignore the facts.[/QUOTE] With the exception of WW2, everyone involved with those things is long dead and it's pointless to talk about while the perpetrators of Tiananmen Square are not only still alive, but still in power.

[QUOTE=sasherz;45908850]Call me indoctrinated by western philosophy, but what's wrong with trying to make your life a little better? I suppose it's just a power thing?[/QUOTE] Read the whole quote in context: [quote]“Why is Chinese higher education losing its appeal to our students? [B]Does anyone in China still believe in the Communist ideology?[/B]” Zhang said. “It looks like the only thing everyone cares about today is money.”[/quote]

[QUOTE=deltasquid;45909504]Money isn't the only way to make life better. America kind of focuses too much on money and wealth as status symbols, to my taste. I was extremely surprised when I learned that most Americans work on weekends. In Europe, being at home with family at the end of the week and going on vacation a lot is something more important than money (even though we obviously still prefer riches to being poor). Still, it's silly that China has such a hate boner for justice and human dignity. The regime knows it isn't just nor respects human life, and they seem perfectly okay with that.[/QUOTE] Well, my summer job had me working weekends, but I got Tuesday and Wednesday off. Amusement parks need more employees on the weekend, since that's when most people go. It sucked that I was working when most everyone else was off (and had off when everyone else was working), but I needed the money, and to get that money I needed to work weekends. I didn't complain, I just bit the bullet and did what I was asked.

To be fair, it's not possible to "spread democratic values" through force. Freedom isn't just a political system, but a way of life, a state of consciousness. This is why the US/NATO efforts to spread democracy have always failed and will continue to fail in the future. Just because you institute a theoretically free system (in truth: free only as long as the people are vigilant and involved) onto a country, it won't automatically change the servile mindset that enabled the now deposed Evil Dictator to gain and maintain power. The descent back into autocracy is almost inevitable. The less justly ruled areas of the world will come to be free only once the people in those countries decide to become free, not before.

We can't watch videos on youtube,we can't use facebook and twitter,in recent months we can't even search though google.I know about the event happened on Tiananmen Square,I have saw some pictures shows the charred bodies of PLA hanging on road lamps done by some spies in that days,I've heard about the rumor saying some students may be directly ran over by tank on the square.Yeah,I am the guy from China.Yeah,we have to study politics lessons from primary school to college.Anyone interested?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45911101]Because dude for fucks sake, do you even know what their government does? I mean, REALLY, like, have you googled "Censorship in China"....?[/QUOTE] well google is blocked in China so