Move over Arizona: Alabama has the toughest immigration bill in the U.S. - Polidicks

[img]http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110609&t=2&i=433085522&w=320&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2011-06-09T183418Z_01_BTRE75818KC00_RTROPTP_0_USA-TANKER[/img] [quote](Reuters) - Republican Governor Robert Bentley on Thursday signed into law a crackdown on illegal immigration in Alabama that both supporters and critics consider the toughest in the nation. The measure will require public schools to determine the citizenship status of students -- a provision not included in an Arizona law that has been at the forefront of actions by several states to curb illegal immigration. Under the Alabama law, police must detain someone they suspect of being in the country illegally if the person cannot produce proper documentation when stopped for any reason. It also will be a crime to knowingly transport or harbor someone who is in the country illegally. The law imposes penalties on businesses that knowingly employ someone without legal resident status. A company's business license could be suspended or revoked. The law, which is scheduled to take effect September 1, requires businesses to use a database called E-Verify to confirm the immigration status of new employees. "We have a real problem with illegal immigration in this country," Bentley said after signing the law. "I campaigned for the toughest immigration laws, and I'm proud of the Legislature for working tirelessly to create the strongest immigration bill in the country." Several states have enacted immigration restrictions, even though the U.S. government considers it to be a federal issue. Immigration rights advocates called the new law "draconian " and vowed to challenge it in court. Rights organizations have sued to block similar measures in Arizona, Utah, Indiana and Georgia. The U.S. Justice Department also sued over Arizona's law. "This law is an outrageous throw-back to the pre-Civil Rights era, said Cecillia Wang, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Immigrants' Rights Project. Alabama was at the center of some of the bitter struggles over the civil rights of African Americans during the 1960s. After Arizona passed its controversial measure last year, the courts blocked implementation of a provision allowing police to check the immigration status of people there. But the U.S. Supreme Court recently endorsed a separate Arizona law requiring employers to use E-Verify. The court also ruled that Arizona could suspend or revoke business licenses of those companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. WILL STUDENTS BE AFRAID? Alabama's law is unique in requiring public schools to determine, by review of birth certificates or sworn affidavits, the legal residency status of students. "We fear that it will, in effect, ban the student through fear and harassment," said Shay Farley, legal director of Alabama Appleseed, a nonprofit policy and legal advocacy organization. Farley said there is also concern about the increased financial burden on schools to collect the information. The Alabama bill passed the state House of Representatives and Senate by large margins before landing on Bentley's desk. Republicans took over majority control of both chambers of the Alabama legislature last year for the first time in 136 years. Some farmers in the U.S. South are worried that new immigration restrictions could limit access to farm workers. But Gene Armstrong, mayor of Allgood, Alabama, a small community where the Hispanic population has grown to almost 50 percent, is not worried. "We managed in the past without illegal immigrants to pick the tomatoes here, and I haven't heard anyone say that if we sent them all home nobody would be left to do that work," Armstrong said. "When you have 9 percent unemployment, I think that some people who might not have wanted those jobs previously might reconsider."[/quote] Being an Alabama resident, this kind of pisses me off to the highest echelons of ass-pain. Not only does this shit make us seem even more retarded, but it's blatant racial profiling.

We need to redo the majority of people in power. It's just so fucked up now.

Kill everyone in a position of power in the united states government, then re-elect who fits the bill. I say we go oldschool coup style and break out the guillotine.

I support Alabama.

[QUOTE=The Pretender;30363570]I support Alabama.[/QUOTE] Hell yeah fuck civil rights

I live in Alabama. That was such a completely stupid post why did I post this.

[QUOTE=TH89;30363584]Hell yeah fuck civil rights[/QUOTE] Best post, 2011.

Why does Alabama need immigration bills? Who says to themselves "Alabama, that sounds like a great place to move" They're also less than 4% Hispanic, so it doesn't seem like they're actually getting much immigration at all.

[QUOTE=jeimizu;30364090]Why does Alabama need immigration bills? Who says to themselves "Alabama, that sounds like a great place to move" They're also less than 4% Hispanic, so it doesn't seem like they're actually getting much immigration at all.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that's 4% too much as far as they're concerned.

So they're checking to make sure people are here legally, seems ok to me.

[quote] The measure will require public schools to determine the citizenship status of students[/quote] hey uh remember that whole BIG GOVMENT IS BAD thing that's uh, that's kind of flying into the face of that whole idea

What Bryan said.

[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;30364147]So they're checking to make sure people are here legally, seems ok to me.[/QUOTE] right do you just purposefully avoid any of the details for anything so you don't have to stress those braincells

[QUOTE=jeimizu;30364090]Why does Alabama need immigration bills? Who says to themselves "Alabama, that sounds like a great place to move" They're also less than 4% Hispanic, so it doesn't seem like they're actually getting much immigration at all.[/QUOTE] [i]"Look, Paco, the promise land! This is what we need, hermano."[/i] [img]http://i.imgur.com/ZauIX.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Laferio;30364165]What Bryan said.[/QUOTE] right they should crack down on john cage pieces next... god help those experimental mexican composers

[QUOTE=thisispain;30364178]right do you just purposefully avoid any of the details for anything so you don't have to stress those braincells[/QUOTE] No. I just don't see the big deal. People who are here illegally should not be here. So they're checking on citizen statuses of people. I don't see how this is so terrible and the end of the world.

[QUOTE=TH89;30363584]Hell yeah fuck civil rights[/QUOTE] I too support Alabama but I believe in civil rights. I honestly think everyone should be checked for citizenship at traffic stops, not just suspects, since they have to have a drivers license anyways. People just need to go through the process of gaining citizenship the right way, the fair way. For everyone 1 that sneaks over, there are probably 10 that are waiting, and I would rather send back the person that sneaks in then expedite the process for them. They broke the law to get here, that bugs me. There's no way they had no other options. I believe in protecting American citizens and I think we should set a date and say 'Any illegal immigrant with a child born in the United States will be granted green cards/visas/citizenship alongside their child before THIS date', no child deserves to grow up without parents. If that child isn't taken care of properly and gets left to the state, then they can go back for ruining the life of another person. After that, make it damn clear that the same amnesty won't be granted to anyone else. If they Put up giant posters and neon signs, whatever it takes. I'm torn on modifying the law that says 'Born in US = US Citizen' but we need to figure something out, all areas of immigration need adjustment.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;30364211]I too support Alabama but I believe in civil rights. I honestly think everyone should be checked for citizenship at traffic stops, not just suspects, since they have to have a drivers license anyways. People just need to go through the process of gaining citizenship the right way, the fair way. For everyone 1 that sneaks over, there are probably 10 that are waiting, and I would rather send back the person that sneaks in then expedite the process for them. They broke the law to get here, that bugs me. There's no way they had no other options. I believe in protecting American citizens and I think we should set a date and say 'Any illegal immigrant with a child born in the United States will be granted citizenship alongside their child before THIS date'. After that, make it damn clear that the same amnesty won't be granted to anyone else. Put up giant posters and neon signs, whatever it takes. I'm torn on modifying the law that says 'Born in US = US Citizen' but we need to figure something out, all areas of immigration need adjustment.[/QUOTE] Or we could just make it so it doesn't take like 2 decades to get in legally, and allow more people to apply.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;30364211]I too support Alabama but I believe in civil rights. I honestly think everyone should be checked for citizenship at traffic stops, not just suspects[/QUOTE] "suspects" in this case meaning "hispanic people" of course.

[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;30364205]No. I just don't see the big deal. People who are here illegally should not be here. So they're checking on citizen statuses of people. I don't see how this is so terrible and the end of the world.[/QUOTE] well i disagree with the entire notion that illegal immigration is wrong if alabama wants illegal immigrants gone, then they might as well deport themselves and give back the land to those dead native americans they killed for fucks sake, the name alabama came from an native american tribe. but no i guess the straw that broke the camels back is legality, not morality

[QUOTE=OvB;30364247]Or we could just make it so it doesn't take like 2 decades to get in legally, and allow more people to apply.[/QUOTE] Obama is working on this I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;30364211] I honestly think everyone should be checked for citizenship at traffic stops[/QUOTE] you mean everytime i stop at a fucking traffic stop you want me to pull out a huge binder full of identification, which is in a different fucking language anyway because britland apparently has such mysterious passports that's stupid, most people in america purely by being shat out of their mum's birth canals get to stay here while i have to take vicodin just to deal with US immigrations and customs. that's not fair

[QUOTE=OvB;30364247]Or we could just make it so it doesn't take like 2 decades to get in legally, and allow more people to apply.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I meant by all aspects of immigration needing adjustment. Make it easy and FAST for honest, good, and hard working(I don't care if they are laborer's, business men, or rich children, just not thiefs) people to get into this country. Then, if you sneak in, the only reason you did it is because we wouldn't take you. If they screw up during a trial period, send 'em back. I think that's fair. [QUOTE=thisispain;30364289]you mean everytime i stop at a fucking traffic stop you want me to pull out a huge binder full of identification, which is in a different fucking language anyway because britland apparently has such mysterious passports that's stupid, most people in america purely by being shat out of their mum's birth canals get to stay here while i have to take vicodin just to deal with US immigrations and customs. that's not fair[/QUOTE] I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer, but what I meant is that if you have a valid drivers license that should be proof of citizenship. NOT carrying around a birth certificate or SSC. You need one to drive anyways. If not, a police officer can look up your information(And they do with photo reference and all).

[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;30364269]Obama is working on this I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] There's one single person in alabama that voted for obama?

[QUOTE=thisispain;30364289]you mean everytime i stop at a fucking traffic stop you want me to pull out a huge binder full of identification, which is in a different fucking language anyway because britland apparently has such mysterious passports that's stupid, most people in America purely by being shat out of their mum's birth canals get to stay here while i have to take Vicodin just to deal with US immigrations and customs. that's not fair[/QUOTE] Life isn't fair and it never will be, get used to it kiddo. Also hur dur sorry to spoil the party but immigration bills aren't just for Mexicans.

[QUOTE=Crimor;30364321]There's one single person in alabama that voted for obama?[/QUOTE] TH89 is in this thread. Otherwise I would say what I want to.

[QUOTE=Vobra;30364342]Life isn't fair and it never will be, get used to it kiddo. [/QUOTE] what a stupid cop-out "we want civil rights, it's not fair" "get used to it darkie!" [editline]9th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;30364356]TH89 is in this thread. Otherwise I would say what I want to.[/QUOTE] bahahha what does TH89 have to do with anything

[QUOTE=Crimor;30364321]There's one single person in alabama that voted for obama?[/QUOTE] My mom did

They think he hates the white race

Hey guys, when you're debating over something, insulting the other person indicates that you're either running out of argument or you just can't argue maturely. Next time, try to have a serious debate without calling the opposition this and that.