Britain Set to Destroy historical guns in museum collections.
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British army museums will have to destroy their collections under plans to tighten EU gun laws in the wake of Paris attacks, MPs have warned.
The Royal Armouries Museum and the National Army Museum have said the the plans from Brussels could lead to the "near destruction" of thousands of guns, according to the Conservative MP David Nuttall.
And the Commons leader Chris Grayling warned against "unintended consequences " caused by attempts to remove dangerous firearms from Europe.
He said that the policy "should not be at the expense of historic museums."
The European Commission is seeking to strengthen existing laws following the Paris terror attacks in November.
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Yes because a criminal is going to steal a 25lb+ machine gun from 1910 in order to commit crime
[B]SOURCE:[/B][url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12056281/Thousands-of-guns-in-British-museums-could-be-mutilated-under-new-law-from-Brussels.html[/url]
Ahhh fuck you Britain, this is the definition of a knee-jerk reaction. Last I checked, there's been more French Grenades stolen from military bases than 100 year old Machine Guns from museums.
Talk about a click bait title.. It [B]could[/B] happen [B]if[/B] a law is changed.
[editline]20th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49355508]Ahhh fuck you Britain, this is the definition of a knee-jerk reaction. Why don't you secure you damn armouries instead? Last I checked, there's been more French Grenades stolen from military bases than 100 year old Machine Guns from museums.[/QUOTE]
It is nothing to do with the UK, read the article.
[QUOTE=Jsm;49355509]Talk about a click bait title.. It [B]could[/B] happen [B]if[/B] a law is changed.
[editline]20th December 2015[/editline]
It is nothing to do with the UK, read the article.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the article? This decision is based on what Brussels wants to do. Not to mention Cameron is pushing for even more gun control, so I don't doubt that he would try and push this motion forward as well.
[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49355515]Did you read the article? This decision is based on what Brussels wants to do. Not to mention Cameron is pushing for even more gun control, so I don't doubt that he would try and push this motion forward as well.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly the point I am making, this proposed law (which has much bigger issues than destroying museum pieces) is being proposed by the EU. Other countries would have the same problem.
Also I dunno where you people get the idea that anyone is pushing for more gun control in the UK, most people are happy with the status quo.
Why are they still going ahead with this foolish idea, is the EU completely bonkers?
Isn't it a known fact the guns used in the Paris attacks were illegally bought anyway, why aren't they doing anything to stop the ILLEGAL gun trade?
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49355544]Why are they still going ahead with this foolish idea, is the EU completely bonkers?
Isn't it a known fact the guns used in the Paris attacks were illegally bought anyway, why aren't they doing anything to stop the ILLEGAL gun trade?[/QUOTE]
Because that would require people to actually do something instead of just writing bullshit laws.
I have yet to see this title anywhere else, and this says if the law mentioning museum weapons goes through, which it has yet to.
I doubt Brussels would be [I]that[/I] retarded
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49355595]
I doubt Brussels would be [I]that[/I] retarded[/QUOTE]
Oh man you have [I]no [/I]idea.
Not quite sure where they're getting it from
Have some EU press releases
[url]http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm[/url]
[quote=EU]The package of measures on firearms adopted by the College of Commissioners today includes the following elements:
A revision of the Firearms Directive, to tighten controls on the acquisition and possession of firearms
The Commission has today tabled proposals to amend the EU Firearms Directive, which defines the rules under which private persons can acquire and possess weapons, as well as the transfer of firearms to another EU country. The main elements of the proposed revision are:
Stricter rules to ban certain semi-automatic firearms, which will not, under any circumstance, be allowed to be held by private persons, even if they have been permanently deactivated;
Tighter rules on the online acquisition of firearms, to avoid the acquisition of firearms, key parts or ammunition through the Internet;
EU common rules on marking of firearms to improve the traceability of weapons;
Better exchange of information between Member States, for example on any refusal of authorisation to own a firearm decided by another national authority, and obligation to interconnect national registers of weapons;
Common criteria concerning alarm weapons (e.g. distress flares and starter pistols)in order to prevent their transformation into fully functioning firearms;
Stricter conditions for the circulation of deactivated firearms;
Stricter conditions for collectors to limit the risk of sale to criminals.
The proposed amendments which the Commission has tabled today now need to be approved by the European Parliament and Council.[/quote]
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I think this is the one:
[url]http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-15-6111_en.htm[/url]
[quote=EU]To make it more difficult to acquire firearms, including deactivated firearms
Stricter conditions for the online acquisition of firearms, to avoid the acquisition of firearms, pieces thereof or munition through the Internet;
[B]Stricter rules to ban certain semi-automatic firearms, which move from Category B to Category A and will not, under any circumstances, be allowed to be held by private persons, even if they have been permanently deactivated;[/B]
The inclusion of blank-firing weapons (e.g. alarm, signaling, life-saving weapons) in the scope of the Directive, because of their potential to be transformed into firearms.
Further restrictions to the use and circulation of deactivated firearms. National registries should keep records of deactivated firearms and their owners. Under no circumstances will civilians be authorised to own any of the most dangerous firearms falling under Category A (e.g. a Kalashnikov), which is currently possible if they have been deactivated. The enforcement of the ban is a national responsibility, and Member States have all necessary tools at their disposal including the destruction of illegally held deactivated arms;
[B]Collectors, as defined by national law,are currently excluded from the scope of the Directive. The Commission is proposing today to change this, since collectors have been identified as a possible source of traffic of firearms. In the future, collectors will have the possibility to acquire firearms, but subject to the same authorisation/declaration requirements as private persons.[/B]
Brokers will be brought into the scope of the Directive, since they provide services similar to those of dealers. Member States will have to introduce regulation covering the registration, licensing and/or authorisation of brokers and dealers operating within their territory.
Better traceability of firearms
Tighter rules on marking of firearms to improve the traceability of weapons by making them harder to erase (e.g. by affixing markings on the receiver), extending the obligation to imported firearms and clarifying on which components the marking should be affixed. Member States will have to keep the data until the destruction of the firearm (i.e. not only for 20 years as currently the case).
Stronger cooperation between Member States
Better exchange of information between Member States, for example on any refusal of authorisation decided by another national authority, interconnection of national registers to ensure full European cooperation, and obligations for dealers and brokers to connect their registers to national registers.
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Important to note however that this is still a [B]proposal[/B] and not yet written into law
[quote]Stricter rules to ban certain semi-automatic firearms, which move from Category B to Category A and will not, under any circumstances, be allowed to be held by private persons, even if they have been permanently deactivated[/quote]
Nevermind they can be retarded
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[quote]under Category A (e.g. a Kalashnikov)[/quote]
lol name bans
[editline]20th December 2015[/editline]
The fuck is "a Kalashnikov" anyways
couldn't you at the very most weld the inside of the barrels rendering them unusable?
the idea of throwing it onto a burning pile is hilariously medieval
to what point will a criminal try to rob a possibly defunct historical weapon from a secured museum, rather than just buying a working gun from the black market
[QUOTE=General J;49355681]couldn't you at the very most weld the inside of the barrels rendering them unusable?
the idea of throwing it onto a burning pile is hilariously medieval[/QUOTE]
It's also like burying your head in the sand
"LA LA LA LAA GUNS DON'T EXIST LA LA LAA"
"btw drop 200 bombs on Syria while you're at it"
The great minds at brussels are at it again
I doubt this will happen, even the most ass backwards politician recognizes the importance of education and preservation
[QUOTE=Sableye;49355904]I doubt this will happen, even the most ass backwards politician recognizes the importance of education and preservation[/QUOTE]
One of my centenarian guns is only "legal" because the ATF doesn't think it's worth the trouble of enforcing the laws against it. Politicians don't give a shit about history.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49355663]The fuck is "a Kalashnikov" anyways[/QUOTE]
A gun that follows the design from Mikhail Kalashnikov
[QUOTE=gokiyono;49356001]A gun that follows the design from Mikhail Kalashnikov[/QUOTE]
Ok so if someone were to use the Czech Vz. 58 they'd be fine?
[editline]20th December 2015[/editline]
They'd probably get rid of an STG-44 in a museum because it looked scary l oo l
You guys better watch out, Achmed is going to come and perforate you with one of these babies:
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49356017]Ok so if someone were to use the Czech Vz. 58 they'd be fine?
[editline]20th December 2015[/editline]
They'd probably get rid of an STG-44 in a museum because it looked scary l oo l[/QUOTE]
Since e.g. means 'for example', I'll assume no
lmao a deactivated firearms registry is the stupidest shit i've heard
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49356208]They are going to do that though.
If you READ THE ARTICLE, it mentions that the PROPOSED law would require UK museums to REMOVE CERTAIN MOVING PARTS. This is what the article objects to.
[editline]20th December 2015[/editline]
Can someone make the title more appropriate? "Britain set to ..." implies an action undergoing, or that "Britain" is to blame[/QUOTE]
You are in[I] Sensationalist Headlines[/I]. Obviously titles are going to be a bit sensational.
Soon there won't be any material pieces of history left :v:
[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;49358189]Soon there won't be any material pieces of history left :v:[/QUOTE]
Better scrap all the tanks at Bovington! Achmed might come at you with a tank!
[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49356414]You are in[I] Sensationalist Headlines[/I]. Obviously titles are going to be a bit sensational.[/QUOTE]
Problem is the title you went for is an outright lie.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49356062]You guys better watch out, Achmed is going to come and perforate you with one of these babies:
[T]http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/guns/images/6/6c/Maxim_wczesny.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070428004906[/T][/QUOTE]
"hold up while I mount my machinegun you dirty infidels!"
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49355913]One of my centenarian guns is only "legal" because the ATF doesn't think it's worth the trouble of enforcing the laws against it. Politicians don't give a shit about history.[/QUOTE]
Educational purposes as in, not private collection...
[QUOTE=Sableye;49360054]Educational purposes as in, not private collection...[/QUOTE]
Many thousands of incredibly historic items are held in private hands. The government cannot realistically look after everything of historic value. Private collectors are able to keep artifacts safe and well kept. Private collections are entirely capable of being used for educational purposes.
There's no reason for firearms to be an exception to this.
[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49356414]You are in[I] Sensationalist Headlines[/I]. Obviously titles are going to be a bit sensational.[/QUOTE]
The name of the forum is satire.
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