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[B]The Reprringer, a tiny, 3D-printable revolver that fires .22 calibre ammunition. Image: FOSSCAD[/B][/quote]
[quote]A burgeoning subculture of 3-D printed gun enthusiasts dreams of the day when a lethal firearm can be downloaded or copied by anyone, anywhere, as easily as a pirated episode of Game of Thrones. But the 27-year-old Japanese man arrested last week for allegedly owning illegal 3-D printed firearms did more than simply download and print other enthusiasts’ designs. He appears to have created some of his own.
Among the half-dozen plastic guns seized from Yoshitomo Imura’s home in Kawasaki was a revolver designed to fire six .38-caliber bullets–five more than the Liberator printed pistol that inspired Imura’s experiments. He called it the ZigZag, after its ratcheted barrel modeled on the German Mauser Zig-Zag. In a video he posted online six months ago, Imura assembles the handgun from plastic 3-D printed pieces, a few metal pins, screws and rubber bands, then test fires it with blanks.
“Freedom of armaments to all people!!” he writes in the video’s description. “A gun makes power equal!!”
It’s been a full year since I watched the radical libertarian group Defense Distributed test fire the Liberator, the first fully printable gun, for the first time. Imura is one of a growing number of digital gunsmiths who saw the potential of that controversial breakthrough and have strived to improve upon the Liberator’s clunky, single-shot design. Motivated by a mix of libertarianism, gun rights advocacy and open-source experimentation, their innovations include rifles, derringers, multi-round handguns and the components needed to assemble semi-automatic weapons. Dozens of other designs are waiting to be tested.
The result of all this tinkering may be the first advancements that significantly move 3-D printed firearms from the realm of science fiction to practical weapons.
“With the Liberator we were trying to communicate a kind of singularity, to create a moment,” says Cody Wilson, who founded Defense Distributed and hand-fired the first 3-D printed gun in May, 2013. “The broad recognition of this idea seemed to flip a switch in peoples’ minds…We knew that people would make this their own.”
Even as the DIY community has refined and remixed 3-D printed guns, it’s left legislators and regulators in the dust. Congressional efforts last year to place restrictions on printed, plastic weapons within the renewed Undetectable Firearms Act fell flat. That said, the legality of 3-D printing a gun in the United States remains unclear, which explains why most of the gun designers contacted by WIRED declined to comment or wished to do so anonymously.[/quote]
[url=http://www.wired.com/2014/05/3d-printed-guns/]Wired.com[/url]
And within the realms of legal firearms:
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[quote]3D printing has been growing in popularity recently with 3D printed firearms and accessories making headlines over the past year or two. Well here’s an awesome new design that’s been released recently by WarFairy over on Reddit. Dubbed the Hanuman AR-15 Bullpup, it’s still just a prototype and requires the use of a buffer less upper (like the ARAK-21 or Rock River Arms PDS Carbine) or an upper with a .22lr conversion kit. The configuration up top is with an SBR upper with an overall length of 20″ with the configuration below sporting a 16″ upper with an overall length of 26.5″. Both configurations are just for display purposes as they’re not buffer less uppers. There is no safety so printing one out is at your own risk. Check out more pictures of the new AR-15 bullpup here. Check out WarFairy’s past creations here[/quote]
[url=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/27/warfairys-3d-printable-ar-15-bullpup/]The Firearm Blog(links available inside)[/url]
Video of the Japanese guy's weapon:
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I honestly thought it was just going to burn out, but... It seems this beast is not going to die any time soon.
Looks like a cock and balls
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44929150]
Video of the Japanese guy's weapon:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWmgIqFWw8[/media]
I honestly thought it was just going to burn out, but... It seems this beast is not going to die any time soon.[/QUOTE]
I bet the accuracy is so bad, I wouldnt' be suprised if the bullet somehow landed behind the shooter.
so i have to be afraid of the return of the pepper-box revolver?
fine with me, those things can't hit a barn if it was 2 feet in front of them
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also no riffling, can't do it with plastic so GL trying to make an undetectable riffle
[QUOTE=MrTwicks;44929157]Looks like a cock and balls[/QUOTE]
The penis is evil. The gun is good.
So basically it is a glorified cap gun.
I wouldn't really trust most of these. Considering the AR one was simply just posted on Reddit. Not to mention it looks like ass and has no safety.
I'm pretty sure building a gun out of scrap in your back yard would be safer.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44929163]so i have to be afraid of the return of the pepper-box revolver?
fine with me, those things can't hit a barn if it was 2 feet in front of them
[editline]28th May 2014[/editline]
also no riffling, can't do it with plastic so GL trying to make an undetectable riffle[/QUOTE]
Sniper rifles isn't the goal of 3d printing. I mean, in a decade or two maybe but my fear is that anyone can make a little one-shot derringeresque that is totally untracable and it's not hard to sneak up on someone and land a point blank shot in their spine.
Would make crimes a lot more complicated to solve I think.
There isn't going to be firefights in the street with plastic guns.
[editline]28th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;44929175]I wouldn't really trust most of these. Considering the AR one was simply just posted on Reddit. Not to mention it looks like ass and has no safety.
I'm pretty sure building a gun out of scrap in your back yard would be safer.[/QUOTE]
Well you can make a 12g out of a pipe and a connector so yeah.
Also, good gods. That video. He loads the gun and then points it back at himself to check it.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
Shiet, I meant for this to auto merge.
that music was glorious
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Another image of the Japanese man's "arsenal" and the original maker of the Liberator made a comment regarding his arrest:
[quote]I have often been asked who the first person to be arrested for 3D gun printing would be. My answer was the creative and curious.
Yoshitomo Imura is a person of strong character and virtue under unfavorable circumstances. He expressed with his work only virtue, but this virtue is ostracized by his society. He performed his work in the open, without suspicion, fear or dishonor. That he must harvest persecution and calamity for his creative and intrepid instincts is an indictment of his tame and mediocre society. Yoshitomo Imura is trying to say something profound.- is trying to be profound.
I hope Mr. Imura’s attitude to his instincts is not reversed by the tomb-like atmosphere which will now cloud his life.[/quote]
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;44929187]Sniper rifles isn't the goal of 3d printing. I mean, in a decade or two maybe but my fear is that anyone can make a little one-shot derringeresque that is totally untracable and it's not hard to sneak up on someone and land a shot in their spine.
Would make crimes a lot more complicated to solve I think.
There isn't going to be firefights in the street with plastic guns.
[editline]28th May 2014[/editline]
Well you can make a 12g out of a pipe and a connector so yeah.[/QUOTE]
All pistols/ rifles have rifling, its what makes the bullet spin causing it reach targets +50 meters.
These 3D guns are no more then flintlock cap gun.
Supposedly an Israeli news team actually built a Liberator and tested it's accuracy, and they stated it's perfectly capable of hitting a small dish plate at about three to four meters. If that's the case, it is good enough for drive by shootings and assassination type deals. It's a weapon that you kill one person with, and then you go about melting the evidence.'
Edit: For anyone who is curious about possibly building their own Liberator by the way,[url=http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUjS30VXuyVqGrLA-UGmxbMQ] the ATF has released a few videos about different materials used in the construction of a Liberator[/url], and how dangerous they are with improper material usage.
Can't you rifle the barrel after it's printed?
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;44929355]Can't you rifle the barrel after it's printed?[/QUOTE]
it's not going to do any good. Plastic isn't nearly sturdy enough to actually let rifling do it's job.
Man, these are shitty guns. People build better, much more dangerous weapons in their garages out of sheet metal and shit they have lying around the house. Or, you can just buy a pile of parts and hammer together a receiver in an afternoon. Why the hell would I waste a bunch of time and money to print a shitty plastic derringer?
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[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/19/home-built-m11-submachine-guns-seized-australia/[/url]
[url]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/ak-47-semi-automatic-rifle-building-party[/url]
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;44929355]Can't you rifle the barrel after it's printed?[/QUOTE]
The point is that the material is too soft to implement a rifled barrel.
[QUOTE=Tudd;44929171]So basically it is a glorified cap gun.[/QUOTE]
with blanks yeah anything is??
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44929375]Man, these are shitty guns. People build better, much more dangerous weapons in their garages out of sheet metal and shit they have lying around the house. Or, you can just buy a pile of parts and hammer together a receiver in an afternoon. Why the hell would I waste a bunch of time and money to print a shitty plastic derringer?
[IMG]http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/11/15/1226760/983887-b86b77fc-4ccc-11e3-9491-1affab8972a4.jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/19/home-built-m11-submachine-guns-seized-australia/[/url]
[url]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/ak-47-semi-automatic-rifle-building-party[/url][/QUOTE]
You're missing the point.
[QUOTE=Ott;44929401]You're missing the point.[/QUOTE]
That these people are more concerned with wanking to their ideologies and delusions about changing the world?
The best part about the ZigZag is that it looks fucking hilarious. It looks like a nerf gun, you could aim that at someone in a crowded street and nobody would bat an eye until you pulled the trigger
It doesn't take a genius to use 1 + 1.
The Practicality of these Weapons is terrifying.
Its not about Efficiency, its about Mass Production and ultimately as said above you can destroy the evidence and its absolutely untraceable.
You cannot search up a ID of a gun Reproduced in this way, you essentially can make yourself a half decent murder weapon that you can easily dispose of.
If a gun is made by a Gunsmith, there are practicalities there are at least some forms of documentation before you buy a gun. If you build a gun in your personal 3D Printer, there is none.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44929426]It doesn't take a genius to use 1 + 1.
The Practicality of these Weapons is terrifying.
Its not about Efficiency, its about Mass Production and ultimately as said above you can destroy the evidence and its absolutely untraceable.
You cannot search up a ID of a gun Reproduced in this way, you essentially can make yourself a half decent murder weapon that you can easily dispose of.
If a gun is made by a Gunsmith, there are practicalities there are at least some forms of documentation before you buy a gun. If you build a gun in your personal 3D Printer, there is none.[/QUOTE]
There's plenty of other weapons that you can make in your own home that are probably just as lethal.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44929426]The Practicality of these Weapons is terrifying.
Its not about Efficiency, its about Mass Production and ultimately as said above you can destroy the evidence and its absolutely untraceable.
You cannot search up a ID of a gun Reproduced in this way, you essentially can make yourself a half decent murder weapon that you can easily dispose of.
If a gun is made by a Gunsmith, there are practicalities there are at least some forms of documentation before you buy a gun. If you build a gun in your personal 3D Printer, there is none.[/QUOTE]
I can build a gun in my garage that is completely untraceable and won't blow up in my hand and leave me picking bits of plastic shrapnel out of my face.
3d printing could be very exciting for accessories, though. If the price of raw materials and printers drops low enough, it could become more cost effective to print magazines and pop springs into them than the go out and buy them, particularly if high-capacity magazines become harder to come by at some point in the future. I just don't think the technology is very well suited to building entire functional guns, and they definitely aren't as good as something you could build with a set of plans and some fabrication skills.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44929426]It doesn't take a genius to use 1 + 1.
The Practicality of these Weapons is terrifying.
Its not about Efficiency, its about Mass Production and ultimately as said above you can destroy the evidence and its absolutely untraceable.
You cannot search up a ID of a gun Reproduced in this way, you essentially can make yourself a half decent murder weapon that you can easily dispose of.
If a gun is made by a Gunsmith, there are practicalities there are at least some forms of documentation before you buy a gun. If you build a gun in your personal 3D Printer, there is none.[/QUOTE]
It has always been 100% legal to have/make an un-serialized firearm at home (as long as it doesn't fall within class 3) in the U.S. That's why 80% lowers don't need a serial number or NICS check to be sold, yet the owner can make a legal AR15 out of it.
Just want to post this:
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[QUOTE=counterpo0;44929228]All pistols/ rifles have rifling, its what makes the bullet spin causing it reach targets +50 meters.
These 3D guns are no more then flintlock cap gun.[/QUOTE]
Well, see, the thing is with cap guns is that they don't shoot bullets.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44929426]It doesn't take a genius to use 1 + 1.
The Practicality of these Weapons is terrifying.
Its not about Efficiency, its about Mass Production and ultimately as said above you can destroy the evidence and its absolutely untraceable.
You cannot search up a ID of a gun Reproduced in this way, you essentially can make yourself a half decent murder weapon that you can easily dispose of.
If a gun is made by a Gunsmith, there are practicalities there are at least some forms of documentation before you buy a gun. If you build a gun in your personal 3D Printer, there is none.[/QUOTE]
Why do you just Capitalize seemingly Random words throughout your Sentences?
And you can't trace the origin of most firearms to begin with. Most firearms that are used in crimes aren't going to have serial #'s still intact on them, and even if they do they're typically just going to pop up as having been stolen and aren't going to have a trail after that. And it's not like you can't just destroy a professionally manufactured firearm. Anyone with access to any sort of saw or angle grinder can get rid of any firearm.
And documentation from when you buy a gun means nothing because thats where the paper trail stops. After that, it's impossible to find out where it goes once it leaves the gun shop. The gun might be held by the person who bought it till the day he dies, or it might go through 60 different owners in it's life time and the only person as having been on record as owning it would be the person who bought it through an FFL.
It'd be funny if they combatted it with troll designs.
Ones that are designed to explode in the shooters face, blow their arm off or discharge the entire magazine at once.
I'm pretty sure in the original 3d printer gun thread I said that in 5 to 10 tens we'd see a murder with one of these, followed by a huge shitstorm directed at 3d printers. Still have some time left on that claim I guess.
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