Jimmy Kimmel gets heated about health-care bill, says Sen. Bill Cassidy ‘lied right to my face’
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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/09/19/jimmy-kimmel-gets-heated-about-health-care-bill-says-bill-cassidy-lied-right-to-my-face/[/url]
[quote]In May, late-night host Jimmy Kimmel delivered an emotional monologue as he revealed that his newborn son, Billy, was born with a heart defect that required immediate surgery. The operation was successful, but Kimmel was deeply shaken by the experience, which happened amid the debate over replacing the Affordable Care Act. Kimmel delivered a passionate plea about the astronomical costs of health care: “No parent should ever have to decide if they can afford to save their child’s life.”
Later that week, while talking about whether insurance companies should be able to cap payouts, Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) coined the phrase “the Jimmy Kimmel test,” as in “Would a child born with congenital heart disease be able to get everything he or she would need in that first year of life?” Cassidy then appeared on Kimmel’s show, and the senator reiterated the importance of making sure middle-class families could afford health care.
Fast forward to this month, and there’s a new proposal as the Senate continues in its quest to repeal Obamacare: It’s called the Cassidy-Graham bill, spearheaded by Cassidy and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). People have already pointed out it would fail the “Jimmy Kimmel test.” On his show Tuesday night, the late-night host eviscerated Cassidy and the bill.[/quote]
[quote=Jimmy Kimmel]Now, I don’t know what happened to Bill Cassidy. But when he was on this publicity tour, he listed his demands for a health-care bill very clearly. These were his words. He said he wants coverage for all; no discrimination based on preexisting conditions; lower premiums for middle-class families; and no lifetime caps. And guess what? The new bill? Does none of those things.
Coverage for all? No. Fact, it will kick about 30 million Americans off insurance. Preexisting conditions? Nope. If the bill passes, individual states can let insurance companies charge you more if you have a preexisting condition. You’ll find that little loophole later in the document after it says they can’t. They can, and they will.
But will it lower premiums? Well, in fact, for lots of people, the bill will result in higher premiums. And as far as no lifetime caps go, the states can decide on that, too, which means there will be lifetime caps in many states. So not only did Bill Cassidy fail the Jimmy Kimmel test, he failed the Bill Cassidy test. He failed his own test. And you don’t see that happen very much.
This bill that he came up with is actually worse than the one that, thank God, Republicans like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski and John McCain torpedoed over the summer. And I hope they have the courage and good sense to do that again with this one, because these other guys who claim they want Americans to have better health care — even though eight years ago they didn’t want anyone to have health care at all — they’re trying to sneak this scam of a bill they cooked up in without an analysis from the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office.[/quote]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlibbx5sx0[/media]
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52703108][b]PART 2: JIMMY'S WRATH[/b]
[media]https://youtu.be/wB5Hek7Z2b8[/media][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52707593][B]PART 3: NIGHT OF THE LIVING JIMMY[/B]
[video=youtube;KUH0KQ1qMiw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUH0KQ1qMiw[/video][/QUOTE]
What a worthless human being.
His first mistake was trusting a politician to actually be telling the truth when talking about healthcare legislation
Gotta admit, Jimmy Kimmel shows some serious restraint in this. You can tell that frankly he is both hurt and pissed, but he hides it really well.
hope Bill Cassidy is glad he got his name out there in the first place. now it will be easier to remember what this scum who uses a newborn's illness for political gain goes by
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52700213]What?[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, the "I'm not a terrible human being because I can do one good thing every four years." Gambit.
Works every time on some people.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52700209][media]https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/910357866380431360[/media][/QUOTE]
So here's a question, why can't we hold politicians accountable for intentionally misleading people like this?
I mean they're basically glorified civil servants, so why can't every public statement made by a politician be considered as said under oath, meaning if they lie they can be prosecuted for perjury?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52700523]So here's a question, why can't we hold politicians accountable for intentionally misleading people like this?
I mean they're basically glorified civil servants, so why can't every public statement made by a politician be considered as said under oath, meaning if they lie they can be prosecuted for perjury?[/QUOTE]
Because they in turn are the ones who would have to pass a bill to make such a thing illegal.
And you know none of them would even consider that.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52700163]Gotta admit, Jimmy Kimmel shows some serious restraint in this. You can tell that frankly he is both hurt and pissed, but he hides it really well.[/QUOTE]
Jimmy is a consummate professional. He's an amazing host and person all around. In 15 years he'll be the kind of generational talent like Letterman was.
[B]BREAKING:[/B] Lindsey Graham severely wounded after Kimmel hurt his wibble weelings
[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/351534-graham-kimmel-bought-liberal-talking-point-hook-line-and-sinker[/url]
[quote]Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Wednesday shot back at late-night host Jimmy Kimmel for his "unfair" criticism of Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) and his involvement in the new GOP health care bill, saying Kimmel likely read a "liberal talking point" before hastily attacking the lawmaker.
"I bet you he never called Sen. Cassidy and said 'would you please set this straight?' I bet he looked at some liberal talking point, bought it hook, line and sinker, and went after Bill Cassidy without talking to him, and I think that's unfair,” Graham said on "FOX & Friends."[/quote]
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52700767][B]BREAKING:[/B] Lindsey Graham severely wounded after Kimmel hurt his wibble weelings
[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/351534-graham-kimmel-bought-liberal-talking-point-hook-line-and-sinker[/url][/QUOTE]
I knew Graham was a turd being an S.C. citizen, but he's even more of a turd for that. Christ, I'm even more motivated to vote his whiny ass outta office next chance I get...
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52700767][B]BREAKING:[/B] Lindsey Graham severely wounded after Kimmel hurt his wibble weelings
[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/351534-graham-kimmel-bought-liberal-talking-point-hook-line-and-sinker[/url][/QUOTE]
Nothing smells like Republican bullshit like addressing criticism by avoiding the point entirely and just attacking the person calling them out.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52699952]His first mistake was trusting a politician to actually be telling the truth when talking about healthcare legislation[/QUOTE]
A [i]Republican[/i] politician at that.
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;52701065]Nothing smells like Republican bullshit like addressing criticism by avoiding the point entirely and just attacking the person calling them out.[/QUOTE]
He even pulled out the "must be them wascally wibwals!" excuse.
Incredibly childish.
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;52701065]Nothing smells like Republican bullshit like addressing criticism by avoiding the point entirely and just attacking the person calling them out.[/QUOTE]
Bonus points for finding a way like Graham did to shove the words "liberal talking points" into the attack.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52700767][B]BREAKING:[/B] Lindsey Graham severely wounded after Kimmel hurt his wibble weelings
[URL]http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/351534-graham-kimmel-bought-liberal-talking-point-hook-line-and-sinker[/URL][/QUOTE]
He says that Kimmel bought a "liberal talking point" then basically just repeats what Kimmel said on his show regarding states and pre-existing conditions
[QUOTE]Factually, our bill requires pre-existing illnesses to be covered in the block grant," Graham said in part, adding that the bill would allow "50 states to come up with solutions to help sick people, not just some bureaucrat in Washington.[/QUOTE]
Lindsey Graham, Bill Cassidy, and the Republican Party in general can eat shit. Stop fucking voting for these people.
GOP Sen Chuck Grassley straight up said the bill is shit but they've been trashing Obamacare for so long that they have to pass it
[media]https://twitter.com/jasonnobleDMR/status/910540134893936640[/media]
Repealing the ACA is basically the only major campaign point the GOP has had for the last eight years. If they give up on it without a success then the entire party fractures because they can't rally anyone like the repeal effort let them do. And worse if they admit they're wrong then they literally kill the party over night because their only reason for existing the last eight years is gone and people know they have no reason to support them.
The GOP will never give up healthcare repeals unless something monumental happens that completely overshadows the ACA and is at least as divisive. It will take another Democrat president and a Democrat controlled congress passing something big before the GOP will be able to let it go, and only because they'll have something new to latch on to for years.
state flexibility and coverage for preexisting conditions is mutually exclusive, you bet your ass every red legislature would scrap the 10 commandments of insurance the first time they could because every insurance company will demand them to do so
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watch, they'll demand to use the budget reconciliation for both healthcare and taxes then bitch about the parliamentarian not recomending they do that.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52702247]GOP Sen Chuck Grassley straight up said the bill is shit but they've been trashing Obamacare for so long that they have to pass it
[media]https://twitter.com/jasonnobleDMR/status/910540134893936640[/media][/QUOTE]
Boy who cried wolf being forced by townspeople to drag a wolf into the city square. Villagers absolutely shocked by the ensuing carnage from the pack that followed it in.
"I never thought the wolves would attack ME!" said a mauled woman who voted for throwing raw meat on the ground from the edge of the woods all the way into the center of the village to attract the wolf.
[URL="http://www.kff.org/report-section/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-may-2017-the-ahcas-proposed-changes-to-medicaid/"]Only 48% of Republican voters want the Cassidy-Graham Bill, with 47% opposed. 90% of Democrats want to maintain Medicaid, and overall 71% of voters want Medicaid to stay.[/URL]
Furthermore, from the same report, 84% of Americans, including 71% of Republicans, consider continuing to fund the ACA's expanded coverage to 11 million previously-uninsured low-income adults either somewhat important or very important.
[URL="https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/kaiser-family-foundation/"]The Kaiser Family Foundation is that rarest of gem, a non-partisan least-biased publication with [B]HIGH[/B] factual reporting.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52702247]GOP Sen Chuck Grassley straight up said the bill is shit but they've been trashing Obamacare for so long that they have to pass it
[media]https://twitter.com/jasonnobleDMR/status/910540134893936640[/media][/QUOTE]
And more importantly: big conservative donors like the Koch Brothers have also demanded that the Republicans repeal Obamacare, so we know what they're gonna do, lol.
The GOP seems like the party of Disney villains at this point.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52702301]Repealing the ACA is basically the only major campaign point the GOP has had for the last eight years. If they give up on it without a success then the entire party fractures because they can't rally anyone like the repeal effort let them do. And worse if they admit they're wrong then they literally kill the party over night because their only reason for existing the last eight years is gone and people know they have no reason to support them.
The GOP will never give up healthcare repeals unless something monumental happens that completely overshadows the ACA and is at least as divisive. It will take another Democrat president and a Democrat controlled congress passing something big before the GOP will be able to let it go, and only because they'll have something new to latch on to for years.[/QUOTE]
At this point I doubt the supporters would care. The GOP would probably blame Obama or Hillary for causing it to be "so difficult" to repeal it. If(sorry, when) this goes to shit with the new healthcare bill, guess who gets blamed? Hint: it is either 7 letters or 5 letters, and they are not Republican.
[QUOTE=Luni;52703607]And more importantly: big conservative donors like the Koch Brothers have also demanded that the Republicans repeal Obamacare, so we know what they're gonna do, lol.
The GOP seems like the party of Disney villains at this point.[/QUOTE]
No. Disney villains are actually likable. You can't compare these senators to villains like Cruella, Ursula, Jafar, Yzma, Hades, Gothel, and Facilier. They are more like super-villains at this point.
The more and more I read this shit, the more I start blindly disliking the conservative. When will it end? It's gotten to a point I think we need legislation, but I wonder if that is what they want, an excuse to finally get rid of the liberals.
[B]PART 3: NIGHT OF THE LIVING JIMMY[/B]
[video=youtube;KUH0KQ1qMiw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUH0KQ1qMiw[/video]
[QUOTE=Megadave;52706321]The more and more I read this shit, the more I start blindly disliking the conservative. When will it end? It's gotten to a point I think we need legislation, but I wonder if that is what they want, an excuse to finally get rid of the liberals.[/QUOTE]
theres nothing that holds legislators accountable for just outright lying. they lie, some people notice, Fox says they're amazing, courageous and the right wing media machine defends them, people who don't care don't see the truth.
i got family on medicaid through the aca expansion, they're card carrying republicans, they shit on liberals, eat rush limbaugh and fox, and just assume they'll somehow get by when their healthcare gets cut. its impossible to reason with them because they don't care about anyone but themselves and don't care that their idols are lying to them and going to seriously hurt them
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52700767][B]BREAKING:[/B] Lindsey Graham severely wounded after Kimmel hurt his wibble weelings
[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/351534-graham-kimmel-bought-liberal-talking-point-hook-line-and-sinker[/url][/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it also be entirely possible that he sat down with the ABC lawyer team who explained all this to him?
Salon isn't a legitimate primary source because it is slanted too far left (but with high factual reporting), but if you consider it an opinion piece with a well-defined publication bias, [URL="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/09/graham_cassidy_could_turn_a_red_electoral_map_blue.html"]this article makes an interesting point about Graham-Cassidy[/URL]: Namely, it could explode in the Republican Party's face [I]hard[/I]. (I basically didn't use Salon for anything in this post except the general point above.)
Briefly summarized, Graham-Cassidy does and will cause the following:
- Converts Obamacare to state block grants with a hard expiration date of 2027; after that, all federal funding go bye-bye unless renewed by Congress, and this is the same kind of market instability that Trump's indecision on whether to pay the low-income ACA premium subsidy on a month to month basis is inflicting on the market right now
- Transfers control of the health care infrastructure and health insurance infrastructures to states on Jan 1, 2020; this means states have [I]two years[/I] to recreate the federal health care system locally. Who wants to move to [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/us/sam-brownback-kansas-budget-override.html"]Kansas[/URL]?
- Some red states, and practically no blue states, will see their overall federal health funding increase before the block grants taper down by ultimately $160 billion. The vast majority of states will see their funding decrease, and several blue states will see their funding decrease by as high as over 50%.
- The individual mandate goes out the window, so insurance premiums for people that need it will go up
- There is no limitation preventing segregated risk pools, so sick people buy high-premium comprehensive coverage and healthy young people buy into a separate pool of covers-nothing cheapo coverage, driving the premiums of people who [I]need[/I] insurance up [I]even higher[/I]
- Lifetime coverage caps are allowed, so insurers can just kick people with cancer off coverage like it was nothing
- States won't be required to sell plans that cover cancer, pregnancy/maternity, and all sorts of other things, and if they do they're totally allowed to, you guessed it, jack the premiums through the roof
- [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/04/planned-parenthood-defunded-for-one-year-under-gop-health-bill/"]Planned Parenthood gets effectively defunded for one year,[/URL] punishing it with a loss of ~30% of its annual budget, all because abortion is [I]one[/I] service they provide alongside many critical women's health and reproductive health services. This is if the Senate parlimentarian doesn't slap this part out with the Byrd rule.
- [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/09/21/cassidy-graham-bill-provision-would-exempt-alaska-montana-from-a-cap-on-medicaid-spending/"]Alaska gets bribed with special exemptions to ensure the Senator's vote, and she still hasn't confirmed yes.[/URL]
[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/22/wait-why-does-rand-paul-oppose-an-obamacare-repeal/"]Rand Paul is a surprising no.[/URL] McCain and Collins have concerns about the bill, and hopefully McCain'll have the stones to be more than merely 'concerned' one more time. A majority of Americans oppose Graham-Cassidy, including roughly half of Republicans.
Graham-Cassidy pretends that it won't allow insurers to kick people off their plans while ignoring the fact that allowing insurers to price them out of coverage is the same thing.
But to Salon's point, what's critical is that Graham-Cassidy takes Congress' responsibility for crashing health care for all but those who don't need it and throws it on the states' laps. Making Republican-controlled state legislatures responsible for a ticking time bomb with an unreasonably time-consuming defusal method may lead to Republican voters blaming their (red) state politicians for failing them and destroying their health coverage, and blame the Republican Congress that set up the whole Kobayashi Maru in the first place after spending nearly [I]eight years[/I] acting like they had a plan.
This gives Democrats the perfect opportunity to capitalize on this anger with effective solutions and sweep the country blue as Republican politicians finally convince enough of America that they're incompetent obstructionists who only know how to smash the social safety net and deliver the profits to the rich. The GOP's death has been predicted for about a decade as it's become increasingly dependent on white senior voters, but I think that a successful Graham-Cassidy Bill and the predictable chaotic clusterfuck it creates could be the killing blow.
I mean, honestly. Republicans shouted since the words "Affordable Care Act" were spoken that they'd repeal it. They wasted insane amounts of taxpayer dollars and held up other, important legislation with symbolic ACA repeal bills, [I]knowing[/I] Obama would veto them. And rather than override his veto and prove that they were serious, they'd let his veto stand and just start over with another repeal bill. Republican voters delivered a Republican Congressional majority and the Electoral College delivered Trump into the Oval Office, and in [I]nine fucking months[/I] the best Republicans have managed to do is come up with a plan that hides the fact that it will functionally destroy health care for anyone who needs it and will make it the states' fault. And not only that, they're abusing Senate procedures to push this through with one-party rule before the clock runs out and they have to, [B]ugh,[/B] compromise with Democrats, what the fuck is that negotiation shit all about.
Republican voters are going to look at this and go "fucking really? You teased my cock for eight years and then you shit on my face?" It's their fault for ignoring all the warning signs that Republicans had no plan, but their anger will be unsurprising.
Ironically, Graham-Cassidy opens up the door for Berniecare, because the Republican solution dismantles the system and leaves basically nothing behind (whatever states can slam together in a rush), setting up a blue wave that can go "Hey how about actual health care for all, no bullshitting with block grants masking vicious cuts" and in comes single-payer and the entire private insurance market and the pharma/health services industry that used to make mad profit has no one to blame but themselves and Trump's Republican-dominated Congress.
It's not even guaranteed that Graham-Cassidy will survive the Senate, and if it doesn't Trump and Republicans are going to try the "we tried" line (and probably try and blame Democrats for not going along with it and causing the vote to fail, ignoring why it failed). This leaves the bipartisan efforts (which Trump talked shit about after someone convinced him to support Graham-Cassidy instead of this compromise shit that renews Obamacare) sitting there and Bernie trying to rev up support for a more drastic solution. It's a long shot, but who the fuck knows what's going to happen in this crazy timeline. Nothing makes sense anymore. Left-wing voters get more information and on-point political messaging from Colbert and Kimmel than from news organizations, and Right-wingers, well... Fox News and Breitbart and social media memes [I]totally not propagated by Russia[/I], 'nuff said.
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