[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19702511[/url]
[quote][b]A harmless virus that lives on our skin could be used as a treatment for acne, scientists believe.
The virus, called a phage, is naturally built to target and kill bacteria that cause acne - Propionibacterium acnes.
Experts at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) and the University of Pittsburgh found 11 different versions of virus in this phage family that had this power.
They plan lab work to see if they can harness it as a therapy.[/b]
Lead scientist of the current work, Prof Robert Modlin, said: "Acne affects millions of people, yet we have few treatments that are both safe and effective.
"Harnessing a virus that naturally preys on the bacteria that causes pimples could offer a promising new tool against the physical and emotional scars of severe acne."
[b]Natural defence[/b]
Acne is caused when hair follicles become blocked with an oily substance called sebum, which the body makes to stop the hair and skin from drying out.
Normally harmless bacteria, such as Propionibacterium acnes, that live on the skin can then contaminate and infect the plugged follicles.
Phages appear to help counteract this.
When the scientists sequenced the DNA coding of the phages, they discovered that as well as sharing most of their genetic material, the viruses all had some key features in common.
All carry a gene that makes a protein called endolysin - an enzyme thought to destroy bacteria by breaking down their cell walls.
And unlike antibiotics, which kill many types of bacteria including "good" ones that live in our gut, phages are programmed to target only specific bacteria.
Co-researcher Dr Jenny Kim, director of the UCLA Clinic for Acne, Rosacea and Aesthetics, said: "Antibiotics such as tetracycline are so widely used that many acne strains have developed resistance, and drugs like Accutane, while effective, can produce risky side effects, limiting their use."
Phages could potentially offer a tailored therapy with fewer side effects, the experts told the open access journal of the American Society for Microbiology, mBio.
Hermione Lawson, of the British Skin Foundation, said: "This news is very exciting. Acne is a common condition that affects up to eight in 10 individuals [aged] between 11 and 30 in the UK, and at present there is no 'cure' for the skin disease.
"We understand how distressing the symptoms of acne can be for its sufferers and welcome any developments that can lead to a cure or at least a better understanding of the disease."[/quote]
That means my face will most likely vanish after treatment :v:
is Acne really a problem? I generally find I only ever get a zit when I touch my face a lot (e.g itch the side/tip of my nose etc...), and when I do I just pop it
seen people with really bad cases though. how does that even happen?
[QUOTE=fixture;37793783]is Acne really a problem? I generally find I only ever get a zit when I touch my face a lot (e.g itch the side/tip of my nose etc...), and when I do I just pop it
seen people with really bad cases though. how does that even happen?[/QUOTE]
do you really believe everyone gets the same amount of acne as you?
Acne? nah no problem just use tetradox my doctor gave me that it working..
Who the hell use skin virus for only acne anyway?
Why so dumb?
[QUOTE=Akuma_lektro;37793796]do you really believe everyone gets the same amount of acne as you?[/QUOTE]
um no
I suffered with acne quite badly from about 14 to 18- I mainly used antibiotics (lymecycline) and various over the counter cremes with salicylic acid or similar.
this new treatment sounds excellent, but what happens when the virus mutates to feed on something else?
[QUOTE=pogothemunty;37793869]I suffered with acne quite badly from about 14 to 18- I mainly used antibiotics (lymecycline) and various over the counter cremes with salicylic acid or similar.
this new treatment sounds excellent, but what happens when the virus mutates to feed on something else?[/QUOTE]
If that happens you will lose your face.
[QUOTE=sparky28000;37793909]If that happens you will lose your face.[/QUOTE]
But I like my face
[QUOTE=pogothemunty;37793869]I suffered with acne quite badly from about 14 to 18- I mainly used antibiotics (lymecycline) and various over the counter cremes with salicylic acid or similar.
this new treatment sounds excellent, but what happens when the virus mutates to feed on something else?[/QUOTE]
Better hope it isn't bone.
The Phage?
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5stnoQ-zko/T49gAIS1WzI/AAAAAAAALdA/wpYJxCjql14/s400/phage1.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=pogothemunty;37794015]But I like my face[/QUOTE]
Someone has to.
[QUOTE=pogothemunty;37793869]I suffered with acne quite badly from about 14 to 18- I mainly used antibiotics (lymecycline) and various over the counter cremes with salicylic acid or similar.[/QUOTE]
Issue is, it just doesn't work for some cases. I had insane acne a few years back, despite the fact that I showered twice a day, washed my face nearly ten times a day, was using the towel trick, changed my diet and everything else and the OTC stuff wasn't working (seriously, clearasil is a scam, the shop brand versions work better, and not much better), neither did the first two things that I was prescribed by a doctor. (a course of antibiotics and then benzoyl peroxide) They then decided that I had a serious case and proscribed me roaccutane (isotretinoin), it worked amazingly but anything is better than that shit. It makes you feel like absolute crap 24/7. (tiredness, aching joints, put me off food, cracked lips - had to use a special cream and so much more) Worked amazingly, all I have now is minor scarring, but anything that helps people get rid of acne without the side effects of major drugs sounds really good.
Jesus let me roll around in this virus. My back is infested with acne and it sucks hard :(
I mean seriously people really make bigger deals out of acne then necessary, and try all sorts of ridiculous things, [B]yes I understand there are extreme cases[/B], but in general if you stop filling your body with food additives, preservatives, and the general shit; soda, fast-food, and switch to fruits, vegetables, over time your body will utilize all of the available nutrients. In addition, everyone should be exfoliating every time they are in the shower, and at the very best, every night before you go to sleep. In my opinion, just take some of this very inexpensive organic soap and apply it to your face for at least a week, you will see a difference. Seriously, just try it, it's only $6.00 for a small bottle, the soap bar is even cheaper and just as effective, it's really great to use with some exfoliating gloves.
[IMG]http://gnc.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pGNC1-4571819dt.jpg[/IMG]
[img_thumb]http://www.vitacost.com/Images/Products/1000/Dr-Bronners/Dr-Bronners-Bar-Soap-Tea-Tree-018787786055.jpg[/img_thumb]
Seriously, just look at the ingredients, completely simple, completely effective, incredibly better for your body and health as opposed to all of the chemicals, colorings, alcohol, sulfates, etc in your generic washes.
This stuff doesn't clean the dirt, it literally disintegrates it.
[editline]wat[/editline]
Poor Facepunch, condemning anything they can't understand. God forbid you actually do research rather than base all of your opinions completely on it's cover. It is my fault though, expecting people to actually know what's going on.
Fair-trade marked organic ingredients; it must cost a ton.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;37794420]Fair-trade marked organic ingredients; it must cost a ton.[/QUOTE]
Again, it really isn't:
[IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/vN8376.png[/IMG]
Just try it bro, worse that can happen is you lost $4.00
[editline]wat[/editline]
I also suggest the peppermint version, as if you apply this to your body while showering, you will feel an incredibly strong tingling sensation (much like how peppermint cools your mouth; makes it feel odd, but on the body. No homo, but your balls and asshole will tingle a lot more significantly than the rest of your body, it's pretty cool, feels amazing, refreshing. Tea tree is just better for cases of acne, also great for keeping mosquitoes away, but I'd recommend some carbolic soap to keep mosquitoes off you 100% I'm done now, rambling off-topic.
[img_thumb]http://c4.soap.com/images/products/p/dbs/dbs-006_1z.jpg[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=Cruma;37794391]
Seriously, just look at the ingredients, completely simple, completely effective, incredibly better for your body and health as opposed to all of the chemicals, colorings, alcohol, sulfates, etc in your generic washes.
This stuff doesn't clean the dirt, it literally disintegrates it. [/QUOTE]
You're right about the diet, but about the second part, you're totally wrong. Chemicals like benzoyl peroxide are used in creams because [b]they work[/b] (in most cases). What you're just suggesting is basic hygene, and anyone with acne due to a lack of basic hygene is a pretty disgusting person in the first place. If it's persistant, it's likely due to the fact that it needs medication. Not to mention that you seem to think it's better because it's organic, which is total bullshit. Organic does not mean healthier, it merely means it's been branded and grown with natural fertiliser (e.g. dung) as opposed to synthetic fertiliser. Doesn't make it better or worse, just makes it sell for a load more. I bet that any standard bar of soap will compete with that and match it effect for effect.
Sure you might have a working ingredient in the soap (likely tea tree oil or similar, which is either used in current creams or has been replaced by superior ingredients), but that's like saying doctors should use digitalis soup as opposed to the foxglove extract that they now use, which likely has been given a sinister sounding chemical name instead of "foxglove extact" or whatever. Just because you don't understand the name, doesn't mean that it's inherently evil.
If you think that chemicals and all that are unhealthy, you might want to stop breathing, there are thousands of chemical reactions happening this second for that alone to happen.
Oh yeah, and $4 is a lot for some soap. If you're going to pay that much, might as well go to Lush or the Body Shop and get some that smells nice.
I'm calling Cane Toad syndrome on this one.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;37794541]You're right about the diet, but about the second part, you're totally wrong. Chemicals like benzoyl peroxide are used in creams because [b]they work[/b] (in most cases). What you're just suggesting is basic hygene, and anyone with acne due to a lack of basic hygene is a pretty disgusting person in the first place. If it's persistant, it's likely due to the fact that it needs medication. Not to mention that you seem to think it's better because it's organic, which is total bullshit. Organic does not mean healthier, it merely means it's been branded and grown with natural fertiliser (e.g. dung) as opposed to synthetic fertiliser. Doesn't make it better or worse, just makes it sell for a load more. I bet that any standard bar of soap will compete with that and match it effect for effect.
Sure you might have a working ingredient in the soap, but that's like saying doctors should use digitalis soup as opposed to the foxglove extract that they now use, which likely has been given a sinister sounding chemical name instead of "foxglove extact" or whatever. Just because you don't understand the name, doesn't mean that it's inherently evil.
If you think that chemicals and all that are unhealthy, you might want to stop breathing, there are thousands of chemical reactions happening this second for that alone to happen.
Oh yeah, and $4 is a lot for some soap. If you're going to pay that much, might as well go to Lush or the Body Shop and get some that smells nice.[/QUOTE]
Well I understand your point about active ingredients that benzoyl peroxide being utlizied to treat these cases, but I was addressing the unnecessary sodium lauryl/laureth sulfates, PEGs, DEA (diethanolamine) MEA (momoethanolamine), color pigments, imidazolidinyl urea, and DMDM hydantoin (preservatives that release formaldehyde), among many other things.
Also, please don't generalize my opinions, I did not suggest it is better because it is organic, I merely mentioned it is organic, because that's what it is labelled, did I say "this product is better because it is organic?" To me, organic is only better in terms of the fact that it omits all of the above ingredients I have listed. I merely suggested this product because the active ingredient is Tea Tree, which is great for treating acne. Again you really are generalizing things by saying stuff like "don't breathe if you don't like chemicals." Seriously bro? I'm talking about avoiding necessary, harmful ingredients that I'm going to be rubbing all over my body, if I can do so by buying a product that disregards them, then I will. You also say that you might as well buy something that "smells nice." Lol.. is this implying that organic soaps will not smell nice? This is just stupid to me, most of those fragrances are unnatural anyway and contain carcinogens, with over 4,000 separate ingredients composing the fragrance, seriously man, just research it, it's not hard to understand.
[editline]wat[/editline]
Also, feel free to rebuttal to me in this thread, but after which I would like to take this to either a private message, or Steam chat, as our argument will be completely off-topic. If you do happen to reply to this response, in this thread, I will respond to you in the aforementioned methods, if you'd like.
[QUOTE=pogothemunty;37794015]But I like my face[/QUOTE]
not everyone does you know
Please I want this now, I have had acne for many many years and it just wont stop
[QUOTE=Cruma;37794605]Well I understand your point about active ingredients that benzoyl peroxide being utlizied to treat these cases, but I was addressing the necessary sodium lauryl/laureth sulfates, PEGs, DEA (diethanolamine) MEA (momoethanolamine), color pigments, imidazolidinyl urea, and DMDM hydantoin (preservatives that release formaldehyde), among many other things.
Also, please don't generalize my opinions, I did not suggest it is better because it is organic, I merely mentioned it is organic, because that's what it is labelled, did I say "this product is better because it is organic?" To me, organic is only better in terms of the fact that it omits all of the above ingredients I have listed. I merely suggested this product because the active ingredient is Tea Tree, which is great for treating acne. Again you really are generalizing things by saying stuff like "don't breathe if you don't like chemicals." Seriously bro? I'm talking about avoiding necessary, harmful ingredients, if I can do so by buying a product that disregards them, then I will. You also say that you might as well buy that "smells nice." Lol.. is this implying that organic soaps will not smell nice? This is just stupid to me, most of those fragrances are unnatural anyway and contain carcinogens, seriously man, just research it, it's not hard to understand.[/QUOTE]
Active ingredients determined to be harmful have already either been banned or decided that benefits outweigh risks and been made available in medicines licensed for prescription only, unless the board that regulates human drug and food consumption in your country is pants-on-head retarded. As soon as something is determined dangerous, it will be yanked off the shelves. And no, I did not imply that organic soaps smell worse as the two places I listed are all organic, too (ethically dubious regarding where they source the ingredients, though) but manage to do it for cheaper than your listed place.
The thing that got me up in arms is the fact that you automaticall assumed that one product is better than all others, when all it really is is just a bar of soap. I'll need a proper med journal reference to make me believe that all that is needed is a specific brand of soap from a doctor who brands it "magic".
Bear in mind that this type of olive oil (Castille) soap originates back from the late 1500s / early 1600s, and you can see why I'll stand by a few hundred years of scientific progress instead.
I wonder if this will end up being a better and safer alternative to accutane, I had really bad scarring acne for a long time and it wouldn't go away until my doctor finally put me on accutane. That worked but I'm still worried about the side effects of that popping up.
Acne's never been a real problem for me. When I get a zit, I hit it with some clearasil before it gets too bad, and in a couple of days, it fades away. Still, good to see less fortunate people getting a possible treatment method. Acne can ruin some potentially good social relationships.
[QUOTE=fixture;37793783]is Acne really a problem? I generally find I only ever get a zit when I touch my face a lot (e.g itch the side/tip of my nose etc...), and when I do I just pop it
seen people with really bad cases though. how does that even happen?[/QUOTE]
Were you born a moran ?
I want this, I get it on my back, chest, upper arms, sometimes my legs, hope this is effective.
Don't wait for it. Real men use these:
[img]http://www.abload.de/img/8900104gnuyc.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Frankiscool!;37794255]The Phage?
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5stnoQ-zko/T49gAIS1WzI/AAAAAAAALdA/wpYJxCjql14/s400/phage1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I think he meant something else. Here, have the cure.
[img]http://auluftwaffles.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/image71.jpg?w=519[/img]
You can clean yourself like an idiot but that actually makes bad acne get even worse most of the time.
[editline]25th September 2012[/editline]
Hopefuly something will be done against acne since it's a thing that leaves a permanent scar/scars on your face for many people.
