• String of Arson Attacks on Predominantly Black Churches in 4 Southern States
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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIhtEIPWcAAwdt8.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]In what may not be a coincidence, a string of nighttime fires have damaged or destroyed at least six predominately black churches in four southern states in the past week. Arsonists started at least three of the fires, while other causes are being examined in the other fires, investigators say. The series of fires – some of them suspicious and possible hate crimes — came in the week following a murderous rampage by a white supremacist who shot and killed nine people at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C. The fires also occurred at a time when there is increasing public pressure to remove the Confederate flag – one of the last hallmarks of white superiority — from government buildings and public places as well as banning assorted Confederate flag merchandise sold in retails stores and online. Even if the fires are deemed arson, it takes additional proof under reporting standards to conclude the act was a hate crime, investigators say.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/06/26/string-of-nighttime-fires-hit-predominately-black-churches-in-four-southern-states/[/url]
You know, this is a good thing. It's terrible that the churches got burned down, but great that America is finally waking up to the domestic extremism they've tolerated for so long. If the recent events in which the confederate flag is being recognized for the symbol of racism it has become contrive to bring extremist elements of the white supremacist degenerates out of the woodwork, they can finally be exposed and eradicated. The fact they're actually stooping to burning down churches proves that their days are numbered. Don't get me wrong, FP. I say its a good thing because that means these assholes can finally be locked away, where they belong, and are no longer a threat to people.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48066582]You know, this is a good thing. If the recent events in which the confederate flag is being recognized for the symbol of racism it has become contrive to bring extremist elements of the white supremacist degenerates out of the woodwork, they can finally be exposed and eradicated. The fact they're actually stooping to burning down churches proves that their days are numbered.[/QUOTE] Yeah it must be really great for all those church goers to know they're being violently targeted because of their race. This shouldn't be happening in this day and age at all, disgusting.
[QUOTE=fragger0;48066614]Yeah it must be really great for all those church goers to know they're being violently targeted because of their race in this modern day[/QUOTE] Would you rather the issue be glossed over, or recognized and serious action finally be taken about it? For too long people have tolerated the existence of these extremist groups under the banner of free speech. Only... burning down a church and endangering people is no longer just speech, is it? If it is found that the arsonists are associated with an organized group, as the multiple fires appear to suggest, they can once and for all be shut down.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48066582]You know, this is a good thing. If the recent events in which the confederate flag is being recognized for the symbol of racism it has become contrive to bring extremist elements of the white supremacist degenerates out of the woodwork, they can finally be exposed and eradicated. The fact they're actually stooping to burning down churches proves that their days are numbered. Don't get me wrong, FP. I say its a good thing because that means these assholes can finally be locked away, where they belong, and are no longer a threat to people.[/QUOTE] That has got to be the worst way to put what you intended into words.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48066632]That has got to be the worst way to put what you intended into words.[/QUOTE] I'm not so sure. What we're seeing here is domestic terrorism. Send the fuckers to Gitmo.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48066631]Would you rather the issue be glossed over, or recognized and serious action finally be taken about it? For too long people have tolerated the existence of these extremist groups under the banner of free speech. Only... burning down a church and endangering people is no longer just speech, is it? If it is found that the arsonists are associated with an organized group, as the multiple fires appear to suggest, they can once and for all be shut down.[/QUOTE] you need to take about 10 steps back from whatever rainman tangent your brain is spinning and acknowledge that 6 congregations woke up this week to find their place of worship razed to the ground and have to live with that loss as well as the added intimidation [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] "this is a good thing"
[QUOTE=Kommodore;48066657]you take about 10 steps back from whatever rainman tangent your brain is spinning and acknowledge that 6 congregations woke up this week to find their place of worship razed to the ground and have to live with that loss as well as the added intimidation[/QUOTE] Which is a bad thing, I know. The good thing is that once this is all over there'll be one less group of inbred hicks terrorizing these people. [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] I don't know, I'm angry right now. It's an affront to civilization that there are still groups like this, in western countries, in 2015.
if i fall down the stairs and die, it's a good thing: now we can build a handrail
[QUOTE=archangel125;48066647]I'm not so sure. What we're seeing here is domestic terrorism. Send the fuckers to Gitmo.[/QUOTE] The "You know, this is a good thing." is what I am referring to. So it is a good thing that 6 churches got burnt down, because the people who did it will likely be caught?
[QUOTE=archangel125;48066631]Would you rather the issue be glossed over, or recognized and serious action finally be taken about it? For too long people have tolerated the existence of these extremist groups under the banner of free speech. Only... burning down a church and endangering people is no longer just speech, is it? If it is found that the arsonists are associated with an organized group, as the multiple fires appear to suggest, they can once and for all be shut down.[/QUOTE] Those who committed the arson would be arrested for that; arson. You don't shut down a whole group based upon the actions of a few - even if that group is a racist one. Only those who actually committed a crime (or actually intend to commit a crime) should be dealt with.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48066683]The "You know, this is a good thing." is what I am referring to. So it is a good thing that 6 churches got burnt down, because the people who did it will likely be caught?[/QUOTE] I'll edit my original post to clarify my intent.
[QUOTE=bdd458;48066688]Those who committed the arson would be arrested for that; arson. You don't shut down a whole group based upon the actions of a few - even if that group is a racist one. Only those who actually committed a crime (or actually intend to commit a crime) should be dealt with.[/QUOTE] For example: the KKK are still around.
Seriously though, no matter your views you should never resort to violence. Especially against places of worship and that are considered holy to many. It shows a distinct lack of empathy and understanding of others. I hope that those who did burn down these churches are caught and that appropriate punishments are handed down by the justice system.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48066683]The "You know, this is a good thing." is what I am referring to. So it is a good thing that 6 churches got burnt down, because the people who did it will likely be caught?[/QUOTE] It's pretty obvious that he meant that he sensed a silver lining to a horrible situation. You all got hung up on the first sentence, which admittedly sounds bad out of context, and then just went from there without acknowledging anything else he said. [QUOTE=archangel125;48066647]I'm not so sure. What we're seeing here is domestic terrorism. Send the fuckers to Gitmo.[/QUOTE] This is pretty stupid though. Why the hell would you ever support the continued existence of Gitmo?
It's mostly all older people that are still racist. I'm 26 and I don't know any people my age that are racist. But then again I don't live down south. I could be wrong but it seems that until the older generation dies off we'll have to deal with this racist shit. So slowly the issue will fizzle away but it's like old people and electronics most don't want to change how they do things and are set in their ways.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;48066746]It's pretty obvious that he meant that he sensed a silver lining to a horrible situation. You all got hung up on the first sentence, which admittedly sounds bad out of context, and then just went from there without acknowledging anything else he said. This is pretty stupid though. Why the hell would you ever support the continued existence of Gitmo?[/QUOTE] I don't think it's going away whether or not we want Gitmo gone. I certainly don't support it, I think of Gitmo as a place as terrible as any. We just may as well start sending some real terrorists there for a change, instead of countless Iraqi and Afghan civilians who were captured by local militia for a bounty, and who are denied a trial.
[QUOTE=apierce1289;48066748]It's mostly all older people that are still racist. I'm 26 and I don't know any people my age that are racist. But then again I don't live down south. I could be wrong but it seems that until the older generation dies off we'll have to deal with this racist shit. So slowly the issue will fizzle away but it's like old people and electronics most don't want to change how they do things and are set in their ways.[/QUOTE] The majority of the racist population is indeed elderly, but I can't tell you how many youths I've seen who hate black people entirely because they "stole my bike once" or some shit. Racism still lives on in the South, hell it's still going strong in America, and it needs to die as quickly as possible.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;48066746]It's pretty obvious that he meant that he sensed a silver lining to a horrible situation. You all got hung up on the first sentence, which admittedly sounds bad out of context, and then just went from there without acknowledging anything else he said. This is pretty stupid though. Why the hell would you ever support the continued existence of Gitmo?[/QUOTE] The way he stated it and started it means that this is a good thing overall. A few people convicted for arson is not a better situation than 6 places of worship burned down and people who went there in a limbo of sorts for what to do now. I'd say the negative outweighs the positive.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48066771]The way he stated it and started it means that this is a good thing overall. A few people convicted for arson is not a better situation than 6 places of worship burned down and people who went there in a limbo of sorts for what to do now. I'd say the negative outweighs the positive.[/QUOTE] I think I'm more qualified to explain my own intent than you are. As I said I would, I've edited my original post to make it easier for you to understand.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48066782]I think I'm more qualified to explain my own intent than you are. As I said I would, I've edited my original post to make it easier for you to understand.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=archangel125;48066582]You know, this is a good thing. It's terrible that the churches got burned down, but great that America is finally waking up to the domestic extremism they've tolerated for so long. If the recent events in which the confederate flag is being recognized for the symbol of racism it has become contrive to bring extremist elements of the white supremacist degenerates out of the woodwork, they can finally be exposed and eradicated. The fact they're actually stooping to burning down churches proves that their days are numbered. Don't get me wrong, FP. I say its a good thing because that means these assholes can finally be locked away, where they belong, and are no longer a threat to people.[/QUOTE] Yet it is still saying that it is a good thing overall. I am saying that the damage caused to the communities and such outweigh the benefits of putting away some arsonists. You literally are saying that it is a good thing that 6 churches got burnt down is a good thing because of a potential reaction to it.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48066771]The way he stated it and started it means that this is a good thing overall. A few people convicted for arson is not a better situation than 6 places of worship burned down and people who went there in a limbo of sorts for what to do now. I'd say the negative outweighs the positive.[/QUOTE] You're right, the entirety of the organization will not go under simply because a few arsonists are put in jail, but these things happening in the age of communication where people are far more connected than ever before, brings attention to the fact that this problem, despite all the efforts of all activists from past until present, is still rampant. Bringing attention to the fact that these atrocities are still going on to this day is the silver lining. It doesn't outweigh the pain and suffering that these people, our people, have endured, but I highly doubt that was what he was trying to say.
[QUOTE=deadoon;48066798]Yet it is still saying that it is a good thing overall. I am saying that the damage caused to the communities and such outweigh the benefits of putting away some arsonists.[/QUOTE] Does that also outweigh the good that the United States as a whole is finally starting to sit up and take notice of degenerates of the sort that perpetrated these crimes? White supremacists are soon going to be the single most demonized group in America - As they should be. Until now they've been little more than a national embarrassment that nobody wants to talk about.
I find it a little strange that hate groups would start doing this now. Let me explain: Hate groups have always done things the way they have in modern times for a reason: they didn't want to do anything illegal and risk having their organizations shut down. If they get shut down, they can't spread their messages of hate and try to recruit new people. So why would they do this now? Especially in a way which would make people suspect them? They will still find their flags and fly them. If anything, they would call for boycotting the stores that refused to sell them. It goes against the way they operate now. There is a possibility that this is being done by a group of people trying to frame it as a hate movement in order to advance an agenda. I don't know. I don't have any evidence of anything. All I'm saying is we need to NOT jump to conclusions before more evidence comes out.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48066859]I find it a little strange that hate groups would start doing this now. Let me explain: Hate groups have always done things the way they have in modern times for a reason: they didn't want to do anything illegal and risk having their organizations shut down. If they get shut down, they can't spread their messages of hate and try to recruit new people. So why would they do this now? Especially in a way which would make people suspect them? They will still find their flags and fly them. If anything, they would call for boycotting the stores that refused to sell them. It goes against the way they operate now. There is a possibility that this is being done by a group of people trying to frame it as a hate movement in order to advance an agenda. I don't know. I don't have any evidence of anything. All I'm saying is we need to NOT jump to conclusions before more evidence comes out.[/QUOTE] 6 black churches burned in one week in the most racist part of the country where there's currently racial debate firing on all cylinders. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48066647]I'm not so sure. What we're seeing here is domestic terrorism. Send the fuckers to Gitmo.[/QUOTE] Guantanamo Bay is for [I]foreign combatants.[/I] These guys aren't foreign combatants.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;48066804]You're right, the entirety of the organization will not go under simply because a few arsonists are put in jail, but these things happening in the age of communication where people are far more connected than ever before, brings attention to the fact that this problem, despite all the efforts of all activists from past until present, is still rampant. Bringing attention to the fact that these atrocities are still going on to this day is the silver lining.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that it is in poor taste to call this a good thing, rather than say something along the lines of "I feel it is quite traumatic for the communities which these churches served, but I hope that this will make people more aware of the domestic extremism that is occurring within America. If the recent events in which the confederate flag is being recognized for the symbol of racism it has become contrive to bring extremist elements of the white supremacist degenerates out of the woodwork, they can finally be exposed and eradicated." I would have never even commented on it, but saying that it is a good thing, and outright prefacing it as such is quite distasteful.
It boggles my mind how someone can be racist but I guess it's all about how you're raised. We're all human regardless of color and should all be treated the same.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;48066866]6 black churches burned in one week in the most racist part of the country where there's currently racial debate firing on all cylinders. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.[/QUOTE] Do you have any actual evidence? If not, you're just basing this on opinions and assumptions.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48066859]I find it a little strange that hate groups would start doing this now. Let me explain: Hate groups have always done things the way they have in modern times for a reason: they didn't want to do anything illegal and risk having their organizations shut down. If they get shut down, they can't spread their messages of hate and try to recruit new people. So why would they do this now? Especially in a way which would make people suspect them? They will still find their flags and fly them. If anything, they would call for boycotting the stores that refused to sell them. It goes against the way they operate now. There is a possibility that this is being done by a group of people trying to frame it as a hate movement in order to advance an agenda. I don't know. I don't have any evidence of anything. All I'm saying is we need to NOT jump to conclusions before more evidence comes out.[/QUOTE] A false flag operation would be equally strange, wouldn't it? Yeah, people hate these hate groups, but to actually burn down a black church - Or several - to make people think it's a hate group is a little too stupid to make any sense. On the other hand, it's not so unusual to imagine the hate groups themselves, or members of these groups, may be behind the attacks because they've seen all the events of the last two or three years involving racial tensions as attacks on their own race. Those are the terms in which these fools think.
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