It's official: Indonesia's new law (chemically) castrates pedophiles - Polidicks

[QUOTE]On Wednesday, May 25, President Joko "Jokowi" Widodo signed a presidential directive to castrate child sex offenders. Death penalty as punishment was also introduced.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"This regulation will resolve a significant number of crisis caused by sexual violence against children. I condemn violence against children as an extraordinary crime, as it harms personal life and growth of the victims," Jokowi said. "It needs special prosecution because this kind of delinquency also disturbs the safety and peace of society." He said that "the shortest jail time will be 10 years while 20 years is the longest" and that "the convict’s identity will be announced." [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Judges may also consider installation of electronic devices and microchips on convicted child felons to track their movement, in addition to castration. Indonesia joins a small group of places that use chemical castration against child sex offenders, including Poland and some states in the US. In 2011, South Korea became the first Asian country to legalize the punishment.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/indonesia/bahasa/englishedition/134259-castration-pedophile-jokowi-law"]Source[/URL].

How long until innocent people get convicted and hurt that we hear about some decade later? This is the big issue with punishments like this. EDIT: [QUOTE=Ganerumo;50873914]Chemical castration is not permanent.[/QUOTE] that's at least a LOT more easy on the mind then, fair enough

To anyone that doesn't know what chemical castration is: it's not what it sounds like

Isn't chemical castration essentially like... the opposite of taking a viagra?

[QUOTE=J!NX;50873824]How long until innocent people get convicted and hurt that we hear about some decade later? This is the big issue with punishments like this.[/QUOTE] Chemical castration is not permanent.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50873914]Chemical castration is not permanent.[/QUOTE] it is when you [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing]commit suicide from the trauma[/url] of it

[QUOTE=Silentfood;50873928]it it when you [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing]commit suicide from the trauma[/url] of it[/QUOTE] So it's chemical castration's fault that this man killed himself because he lacked the strength to persevere in the face of his adversity? I am 100% for Chemical Castration for convicted proven pedophiles. They're terrible fucking people that ruin the lives of their victims forever. It's not like it's some permanent procedure that's going to fuck up the life of someone who is falsely accused/convicted. The thing that will ruin those people's lives is serving prison time for a crime they didn't commit and having that on their record, plus having their identity released to the public as a "Pedophile". It's a humane solution to curtail the vile urges these people have. It's a lot better than physically castrating them, or sending them to prison where they WILL be beaten to death by other convicts.

[QUOTE=Silentfood;50873928]it it when you [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing]commit suicide from the trauma[/url] of it[/QUOTE] "1954" anything more recent though? [t]http://i.imgur.com/OL0IkP3.png[/t] I mean, medical science has improved so it may have been permanent back then, unlike today even if it wasn't, its insanely likely that the fact that he was likely discriminated against for being a homosexual and that triggered his suicide

People who are against this boggle my fucking midn. First you don't want them in jail, then you say they should be rehabilitated, but now the best option is suddenly bad?

[QUOTE=Silentfood;50873928]it is when you [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing]commit suicide from the trauma[/url] of it[/QUOTE] You can kill yourself from the trauma of being thrown in a jailcell by mistake too, doesn't mean prison sentences aren't viable.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50873984]People who are against this boggle my fucking midn. First you don't want them in jail, then you say they should be rehabilitated, but now the best option is suddenly bad?[/QUOTE] Who is saying this?

[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;50874005]Who is saying this?[/QUOTE] I should have specified, sorry. People I've seen on FB, steam and in conversations. Nobody here (yet)

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50874011]I should have specified, sorry. People I've seen on FB, steam and in conversations. Nobody here (yet)[/QUOTE] I mean, I [I]would [/I]have made a point against it had it not been pointed out that it's not permanent so you should count me as a half point :v:

[QUOTE=Silentfood;50873928]it is when you [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing]commit suicide from the trauma[/url] of it[/QUOTE] You do know that he was also forced into hormone therapy by the British government and he grew breasts because of it, right? There was so much more that happened with that poor man.

[QUOTE=Lolkork;50874070]This is fair, they can't control their sexuality, so they shouldn't have it.[/QUOTE] I remember this report on French TV like six years back that was about this family man with a loving wife and two daughters whose life was getting fucked over by his rampant pedophilia, so he willingly stepped up as a candidate for chemical castration and his life has only been happier for it. It's basically just a standardized medical treatment to a bad mental condition. The side effects when the treatment is handled well, not abused and taken promptly are few and far outweighed by the benefit of not wanting to fuck children every day and hating your own guts for it.

As a punishment it feels pretty iffy on account of being like a forced hormone treatment, in the sense that it seems a lot more invasive than say, a prison sentence, but for entirely different reasons. I couldn't say I'm opposed to it though, it honestly seems like the best option for everyone involved. It's a mental condition and this is a form of treatment, I guess.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;50874166]As a punishment it feels pretty iffy on account of being like a forced hormone treatment, in the sense that it seems a lot more invasive than say, a prison sentence, but for entirely different reasons. I couldn't say I'm opposed to it though, it honestly seems like the best option for everyone involved. It's a mental condition and this is a form of treatment, I guess.[/QUOTE] to be perfectly fair, it's a very invasive crime outside of maybe identity theft, I don't think there are any crimes as invasive as sexual ones an invasive punishment for an invasive crime. I'd say it fits yeah.

The main problem with that sort of sentencing is, well, actually making sure the people are taking their meds and not lying through their teeth to get back out there and cause more harm. It's always a big risk when dealing with people with various mental afflictions, especially the ones that cause aggressiveness, violence and an urge to harm/kill. There's lots of cases where people would [I]act[/I] like they were rehabilitated only to instantly take a nosedive when they're out and go back to being insane.

I wonder if there are pedophiles out there who know that they're sick and would be willingly chemically castrated to remove the urges they have to hurt children

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50874839]I wonder if there are pedophiles out there who know that they're sick and would be willingly chemically castrated to remove the urges they have to hurt children[/QUOTE] without a doubt yes it's enforcements like this that make pedophiles deathly afraid of ever seeking help in fear of being socially outed, murdered and or castrated

[QUOTE=.Lain;50874864]without a doubt yes it's enforcements like this that make pedophiles deathly afraid of ever seeking help in fear of being socially outed, murdered and or castrated[/QUOTE] Is it legal to volunteer for that? I think the health risks associated are depression and gynecomastia. Alan Turing took it over jail time. And is it considered an effective treatment for pedophiles, or is some other kind of therapy a much better option?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50873984]People who are against this boggle my fucking midn. First you don't want them in jail, then you say they should be rehabilitated, but now the best option is suddenly bad?[/QUOTE] im betting most people against this just hear "chemical castration" and assume its removing the genitals with acid or something. the actual meaning is not widely known to the public

[QUOTE=J!NX;50874457]to be perfectly fair, it's a very invasive crime outside of maybe identity theft, I don't think there are any crimes as invasive as sexual ones an invasive punishment for an invasive crime. I'd say it fits yeah.[/QUOTE] Not saying pedophilia isn't an invasive crime, it certainly is, but I can think of other more invasive crimes besides "identity theft" like, y'know, murder. which is basically someone invading your life with a knife or bullets. :v:

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50877101]Not saying pedophilia isn't an invasive crime, it certainly is, but I can think of other more invasive crimes besides "identity theft" like, y'know, murder. which is basically someone invading your life with a knife or bullets. :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah, but after murder you are kind of, you know, dead. As in unable to care. Sure it hurts the people around you to varying degrees, but I think I would rather live with being dead that I would live with being raped as a child

[QUOTE=gokiyono;50877114]Yeah, but after murder you are kind of, you know, dead. As in unable to care. Sure it hurts the people around you to varying degrees, but I think I would rather live with being dead that I would live with being raped as a child[/QUOTE] How exactly are you going to live with being dead?

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50877146]How exactly are you going to live with being dead?[/QUOTE] That's the point. I wouldn't.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50873824]How long until innocent people get convicted and hurt that we hear about some decade later? This is the big issue with punishments like this. EDIT: that's at least a LOT more easy on the mind then, fair enough[/QUOTE] chemical castration might not be fully permanent but the damage to your personality will be. Its 'not as bad as a lobotomy' nothing more nothing less. How about how long until paedophiles get chemically castrated... seems just as immoral to me.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50874011]I should have specified, sorry. People I've seen on FB, steam and in conversations. Nobody here (yet)[/QUOTE] Oh I don't think pedophiles should be castrated. Whether it's chemically or by ripping off their nuts with your hand. I don't think a pedophile's child would automatically become a pedophile. [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] Also is it really not permanent? Cuz I didn't know that, but it still must be quite fucking intrusive for a person

I'd say getting chemically castrated is better than spending most of your life in prison. Prison life for pedophiles is not pretty

[QUOTE=Citrus705;50877337]I'd say getting chemically castrated is better than getting sent to prison. Prison life for pedophiles is not pretty[/QUOTE] Always wanted to see actual reports and stats of criminals getting beaten or killed while serving their sentences. just for curious laughs haha