[QUOTE]Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine is rearming and deploying newly formed units to protect cities in the east of the country from threatened attempts by pro-Russian rebels to seize more territory, President Petro Poroshenko said Tuesday.
At a crisis meeting of security chiefs in the capital Kiev, Poroshenko said he had not given up on a deal brokered in September to end the seven-month conflict, in which the UN says more than 4,000 people have died.
"Ukraine remains a firm supporter of the peace plan," Poroshenko said.
However, Poroshenko said Ukraine's military is ready to repel any separatist attempt to mount a new offensive, as they have repeatedly threatened to do.
Troops were in place to defend government-held cities from Mariupol on the Black Sea to Kharkiv in the northeast, near Russia, he said.
"We are obliged as the Ukrainian state not to allow the spread of this cancerous tumour, to ensure the blockade of this territory," he told his National Security and Defence Council.
Ukraine's small army has been badly mauled during the more than half-year of battles with rebels who Western governments say are supplied and supported by regular Russian troops.
NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said on Tuesday in Brussels that Russia continues to arm, train and support the rebels, with special forces inside Ukraine and more troops detected moving troops along the border.
But Ukraine will be "prepared for decisive measures in the case of a negative scenario," Poroshenko said.
"Today, several new units and groupings have been formed, which will already allow us to stop any possible attack," he said. "The supplying of our armed forces with the very latest technology -- offensive, reconnaissance, guided systems -- is continuing quite effectively."
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[url]http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-rebel-leader-sworn-head-separatist-republic-112927019.html[/url]
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Here's hoping that the separatists will stay put. There's been enough fighting already.
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46418769]Here's hoping that the separatists will stay put. There's been enough fighting already.[/QUOTE]
Is it a one way streak? Ukraine is allowed to attack but separatists are only allowed to defend? I'm not saying offensive action is good, I'm just saying that both sides are taking the ceasefire and picking it apart. This is actually a violation of the Minsk agreement.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46418779]Is it a one way streak? Ukraine is allowed to attack but separatists are only allowed to defend? I'm not saying offensive action is good, I'm just saying that both sides are taking the ceasefire and picking it apart. This is actually a violation of the Minsk agreement.[/QUOTE]
The separatists should be allowed to fuck off back to Russia
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46418846]The separatists should be allowed to fuck off back to Russia[/QUOTE]
So you want the cease fire to end? I don't think Ukraine is ever going to get its land back, ever.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46418854]So you want the cease fire to end?[/QUOTE]
You're implying the cease fire is working, both sides are attacking each other constantly regardless the signing of the cease-fire.
The only thing that should end is this worthless civil war that the separatists are never going to win, it's going to be constant fighting for years and neither side will get what they want.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46418854]So you want the cease fire to end?[/QUOTE]
The cease-fire is a half-measure. Our men are still dying in the airport and in the outskirts of Mariupol, as far as they're concerned, there is no cease-fire
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46418882]The cease-fire is a half-measure. Our men are still dying in the airport and in the outskirts of Mariupol, as far as they're concerned, there is no cease-fire[/QUOTE]
Sure, but there is a significant reduction in war.
Compare the September offensive vs now. If the September offensive had of continued Novorossia would already extend into Odessa and beyond since the Ukrainian army is in tatters and only capable of fighting an underequipped militia.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46418901]Sure, but there is a significant reduction in war.
Compare the September offensive vs now. If the September offensive had of continued Novorossia would already extend into Odessa and beyond since the Ukrainian army is in tatters and only capable of fighting an underequipped militia.[/QUOTE]
Why did Russia and the separatists ask for the cease-fire then? It is a mystery
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[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46418920]Why did Russia and the separatists ask for the cease-fire then? It is a mystery[/QUOTE]
Political reasons. Russia and seperatists were making huge ground.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46418949]Political reasons. Russia and seperatists were making huge ground.[/QUOTE]
Barely. They retook some small part of what they've lost in summer
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46418966]Barely. They retook some small part of what they've lost in summer[/QUOTE]
No, they didn't even own any territory in the south, now they are on the outskirts of Mariupol.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46418994]No, they didn't even own any territory in the south, now they are on the outskirts of Mariupol.[/QUOTE]
And they've still lost a lot of land. And they will still lose more
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46419052]And they've still lost a lot of land. And they will still lose more[/QUOTE]
Who says? The Russian army or the Ukrainian army..? Let me know when the defence minister of Ukraine fullfills his promise to retake Crimea. You know somethings up when the separatists are still holding the heavily contested Donetsk airport and Ukraine has to resort to shelling Donetsk itself.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46419065]Who says? The Russian army or the Ukrainian army..? Let me know when the defence minister of Ukraine fullfills his promise to retake Crimea. You know somethings up when the separatists are still holding the heavily contested Donetsk airport and Ukraine has to resort to shelling Donetsk itself.[/QUOTE]
The separatists aren't "holding" the airport. And the Ukrainians don't shoot Donetsk unless they are being shot from Donetsk
Enjoy a video of your heroes shooting at the army from an apartment building with people still in it
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv39Lc5oSVs[/media]
This scum deserves to be destroyed
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46419106]The separatists aren't "holding" the airport. And the Ukrainians don't shoot Donetsk unless they are being shot from Donetsk
Enjoy a video of your heroes shooting at the army from an apartment building with people still in it
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv39Lc5oSVs[/media]
This scum deserves to be destroyed[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;QfKY3sZ8K6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfKY3sZ8K6g[/video]
[video=youtube;5cYNI5GRiAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cYNI5GRiAE[/video]
What about this scum? There are NO shortage of videoes of the Ukrainian army shelling civilians.
Oh boy, we're gonna march up to them so close they will be able to [I]see[/I] us!
Civilians are going to get caught up in a war regardless of the side, so I don't get this "this guy did this; oh yeah, well this guy did THIS!" thing
[QUOTE=laserguided;46419142][video=youtube;QfKY3sZ8K6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfKY3sZ8K6g[/video]
[video=youtube;5cYNI5GRiAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cYNI5GRiAE[/video]
What about this scum? There are NO shortage of videoes of the Ukrainian army shelling civilians.[/QUOTE]
1) That's whataboutism and is not an argument
2) They deserve to be punished for this shit, and they will be. But for what it's worth, there was no one in the building at the time
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46419212]1) That's whataboutism and is not an argument
2) They deserve to be punished for this shit, and they will be. But for what it's worth, there was no one in the building at the time[/QUOTE]
1) It is an argument.
2)They probably wont be punished, just like the rouge Ukrainian vigilante MP who threatened extra judicial killings of "suspected sympathizers".
[QUOTE=laserguided;46419235]1) It is an argument.
2)They probably wont be punished, just like the rouge Ukrainian vigilante MP who threatened extra judicial killings of "suspected sympathizers".[/QUOTE]
No, it's not an argument. "They probably wont be just like the guy who said he will do something" isn't either
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46419262]No, it's not an argument. "They probably wont be just like the guy who said he will do something" isn't either[/QUOTE]
So I'm not allowed to show that the Ukrainian army is fucking shit? This isn't mass debate.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46419273]So I'm not allowed to show that the Ukrainian army is fucking shit? This isn't mass debate.[/QUOTE]
Which army isn't shit? This is war, and it has a bunch of retards running around with guns.
At least they don't use a town with thousands of hundreds of people as a human shield
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46419297]Which army isn't shit? This is war, and it has a bunch of retards running around with guns.
At least they don't use a town with thousands of hundreds of people as a human shield[/QUOTE]
So then what was the point of your news video of separatists shooting from an apartment in a city?
Can we just agree both sides have done some bad shit? Both sides shelled civilians, both sides violated the ceasefire, etc. Also, Laserbeams, were at in Ukraine are you?
[QUOTE=laserguided;46419311]So then what was the point of your news video of separatists shooting from an apartment in a city?[/QUOTE]
Because I was showing the part where they're using civilians as a human shield, which is a war crime, and the reason why I think every separatist deserves to be shot. Shooting at an abandoned building is not a war crime, it's just fuel for emotional arguments like "look, they're shooting at a school! won't someone please think of the children that aren't there?"
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;46419323]Can we just agree both sides have done some bad shit? Both sides shelled civilians, both sides violated the ceasefire, etc. Also, Laserbeams, were at in Ukraine are you?[/QUOTE]
West
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46419345]Because I was showing the part where they're using civilians as a human shield, which is a war crime, and the reason why I think every separatist deserves to be shot. Shooting at an abandoned building is not a war crime, it's just fuel for emotional arguments like "look, they're shooting at a school! won't someone please think of the children that aren't there?"
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
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Why arent you in the army? Why dont you go put your life on the line and shoot every separatist everywhere.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46419142][video=youtube;QfKY3sZ8K6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfKY3sZ8K6g[/video]
[video=youtube;5cYNI5GRiAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cYNI5GRiAE[/video]
What about this scum? There are NO shortage of videoes of the Ukrainian army shelling civilians.[/QUOTE]
"And you are lynching negroes!"
Oh shit, Laserbeams already called you out on this.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46419235]1) It is an argument.[/QUOTE]
It's a [url=https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque]logical fallacy[/url].
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