Teen girl gets speeding ticket. Fights it in court representing herself. - General

[video=youtube;rZl_sCA0ZME]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZl_sCA0ZME[/video] starts slow, gets more painful as it progresses if too slow, check out highlights like 21:43

that dude's hair lol

She knew she couldn't change the outcome and did it anyway. Wasting everyone's time, bravo.

that cop looks like he's gonna bust out of his uniform jesus christ

The only time you should attempt this is if you're a physics professor and you can use enough physics and math to confuse the room and be relieved of the ticket on good faith that you're right.

that girl needs a slap

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;50877958]The only time you should attempt this is if you're a physics professor and you can use enough physics and math to confuse the room and be relieved of the ticket on good faith that you're right.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientist-uses-physics-to-beat-400-ticket/[/url] Like that?

The Ole try to plea bargain after the guilty verdict strategy

I'm pretty sure she went to court hoping that the officer wouldn't show up and the ticket would be dismissed. And I bet her not-lawyer friend told her about that, but obviously isn't knowledgable enough of Law to know if the cop shows up with his lawyer, you should probably take the deal they offer privately, and not go to trial like an idiot representing yourself.

lmao voluntary society? what do these people smoke

This chick thought she was going into a game of Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney...but even if she was, she would have lost that trial too. I bet the officer wishes he wasn't nice enough to [Sp]lower the girls fine[/Sp] in the first place.

[QUOTE=angelangel;50878420]lmao voluntary society? what do these people smoke[/QUOTE] Weed, apparently [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FReR2zu.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wii60;50877859][video=youtube;rZl_sCA0ZME]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZl_sCA0ZME[/video] starts slow, gets more painful as it progresses if too slow, check out highlights like 21:43[/QUOTE] Wow.... I hate her... Wasting everyone's time over petty shit when she obviously did it. [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] What a bitch [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] You don't get to decide your punishment

Unbearably cringy when she runs out of dumb questions.

[QUOTE=Firetornado;50878630]Wow.... I hate her... Wasting everyone's time over petty shit when she obviously did it. [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] What a bitch [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] You don't get to decide your punishment[/QUOTE] You should always go to court over speeding tickets like that, usually you'll be offered a plea bargain just so you STOP wasting everyone's time. If you don't get offered a plea bargain, then you can either plead guilty or hire a laywer and continue wasting everyone's time. I've done it a few times and would do it again, points on your license raise your insurance premium by a lot, and people get fined for literal bullshit all the time. You can usually get one charge dropped, or the points dropped. If you have a good argument, you can present it to the prosecutor and get all your charges dropped if he thinks your argument is good enough to win in court, because he doesn't want to waste anybody's time either.

Love her trying to teach the officer about police radars with what she read on Wikipedia. "Did you clock the radar?" "What?" Also her trying to fucking haggle with a judge to lower her fine. So much for her friend being 'educated' in court.

After the point where she failed to get her first question across to the police officer coherently I had to stop because I was cringing too hard

[QUOTE=Downsider;50878905]You should always go to court over speeding tickets like that, usually you'll be offered a plea bargain just so you STOP wasting everyone's time. If you don't get offered a plea bargain, then you can either plead guilty or hire a laywer and continue wasting everyone's time. I've done it a few times and would do it again, points on your license raise your insurance premium by a lot, and people get fined for literal bullshit all the time. You can usually get one charge dropped, or the points dropped. If you have a good argument, you can present it to the prosecutor and get all your charges dropped if he thinks your argument is good enough to win in court, because he doesn't want to waste anybody's time either.[/QUOTE] This. It's generally accepted that it's worth the time to meet in court just to gamble on the officer not appearing or the radar not being calibrated.

My favorite part of the whole video so far is when the officer refers to Manchester as Manch-vegas. I didn't realize people actually called it that. The part where she asks if a crime is a crime just because it's victimless is fun too. I believe the state is usually considered the aggrieved party in most criminal cases, as something of a basis for the state's ability to press criminal charges as opposed to the actual victim pressing civil charges. I'm not a lawyer, though.

What a shit show. I don't even want to go into point by points over this. I'm sure next time she gets pulled over for speeding you'll hear a lot of "I don't consent." "Am I being detained?" "Am I free to go?" "How can you prove I was driving?" It's also kind of dumb how the fine is like $100 and some change, the girl states she has a full-time job and she wants to give them a hard time about being able to pay it or paying it off with community service. You lost. Get over it. She tries to make a plea bargain AFTER a guilty verdict. That's not how that works.

I bet her friend took a law class in high school and now thinks he is hot shit. I don't contest speeding tickets unless something is blatantly wrong in writing on the citation itself. I was speeding, I should not have been, and I got caught. Simple as that. Plus the money in my province is mostly donated to charity anyways.

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;50880188]This. It's generally accepted that it's worth the time to meet in court just to gamble on the officer not appearing or the radar not being calibrated.[/QUOTE] Unless it's different outside of New York, I think you might have the wrong idea of what he means. Last time I got a traffic ticket I was led into a courtroom of like 150 people and we all sat down for 6 seconds with the DA and had all of our tickets bumped to non moving violations with a 100 dollar fee. The police officer that ticketed me was certainly not present, I wasn't being represented by anybody, and it was more of a mass money extraction room.

[QUOTE=Aztec;50882304]Unless it's different outside of New York, I think you might have the wrong idea of what he means. Last time I got a traffic ticket I was led into a courtroom of like 150 people and we all sat down for 6 seconds with the DA and had all of our tickets bumped to non moving violations with a 100 dollar fee. The police officer that ticketed me was certainly not present, I wasn't being represented by anybody, and it was more of a mass money extraction room.[/QUOTE] Why do you even need to show up in court? In the UK you generally only need to go to court for speeding if it was a serious offense like doing 70 in a 30 zone. I guess almost all of our speeding tickets are issued via speeding cameras or speed traps rather than traffic stops, though. Our 'standard' fine is the equivalent of like $130 and if you are caught going 5-10 over the limit you get a letter in the post a few weeks later telling you that they caught you speeding, and if you accept their 'offer' you will have to pay the money and will get a few points on your license.

[QUOTE=Carnotite;50880334]My favorite part of the whole video so far is when the officer refers to Manchester as Manch-vegas. I didn't realize people actually called it that. The part where she asks if a crime is a crime just because it's victimless is fun too. I believe the state is usually considered the aggrieved party in most criminal cases, as something of a basis for the state's ability to press criminal charges as opposed to the actual victim pressing civil charges. I'm not a lawyer, though.[/QUOTE] viva manchvegas baby this video cements exactly why i keep a good distance from these stupid ass keene state fuckers, if you wanna go to a REAL party school with actually cool people just go to plymouth very nice seeing nh represented in the 'massively retarded citizens' dept tho. EDIT: oh even better, it was in jaffrey court lmao, the free keene thing is just the retarded Free Stater movement that started a few years back

[QUOTE=Cushie;50883365]Why do you even need to show up in court? In the UK you generally only need to go to court for speeding if it was a serious offense like doing 70 in a 30 zone. I guess almost all of our speeding tickets are issued via speeding cameras or speed traps rather than traffic stops, though. Our 'standard' fine is the equivalent of like $130 and if you are caught going 5-10 over the limit you get a letter in the post a few weeks later telling you that they caught you speeding, and if you accept their 'offer' you will have to pay the money and will get a few points on your license.[/QUOTE] If you don't show up they put points on your license and charge you for the actual offense which is like 2x the fee. Its a pretty ridiculous system honestly. For reference my last ticket was from not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. The cop was lurking with his car off at 2am. I was a closing shift guy a burger King at the time and told him if I did I was sorry just tired from work.

[QUOTE=Cushie;50883365]Why do you even need to show up in court? In the UK you generally only need to go to court for speeding if it was a serious offense like doing 70 in a 30 zone. I guess almost all of our speeding tickets are issued via speeding cameras or speed traps rather than traffic stops, though. Our 'standard' fine is the equivalent of like $130 and if you are caught going 5-10 over the limit you get a letter in the post a few weeks later telling you that they caught you speeding, and if you accept their 'offer' you will have to pay the money and will get a few points on your license.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much how it is here. You don't have to go to court. You only go to court if you want to contest the charges. [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] /citations

[QUOTE=Firetornado;50878630]Wow.... I hate her... Wasting everyone's time over petty shit when she obviously did it. [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] What a bitch [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] You don't get to decide your punishment[/QUOTE] Yeah, I've been given a speeding ticket and got it downgraded by the procescutor to Unsafe Operation of a Motor Vehicle. No points on my license, though I did have to pay a $400 as opposed to just over $100. I've saved that money by now in how much my insurance would be gone up if I had taken the points. Thank God we can buy our freedom, right? [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] You don't HAVE to go to court but it's definitely the smarter thing to do

I did this once and won

Dear lord. She doesn't understand anything of what she's doing. She's trying to point out that there is no victim so how can it be a crime? That's something for legislators to decide, not the judge. The question at hand is whether or not she sped, not whether or not speeding is okay. Not only that but she doubts the calibration so many times that she just ends up looking uninformed. She didn't even know about cruiser mounted radar.

[QUOTE=Aztec;50882304]Unless it's different outside of New York, I think you might have the wrong idea of what he means. Last time I got a traffic ticket I was led into a courtroom of like 150 people and we all sat down for 6 seconds with the DA and had all of our tickets bumped to non moving violations with a 100 dollar fee. The police officer that ticketed me was certainly not present, I wasn't being represented by anybody, and it was more of a mass money extraction room.[/QUOTE] I'm from NY. Can confirm this is what happens. I never had to go myself but I've gone with people. Where I am you talk directly to the judge. Like thirty people sit in the room and he'll call your name, you walk right up to the judge and explain in less than five minutes what happene and he'll bump it down to a Parked On Pavement or some lesser charge and you just pay. If it wasn't for the point system I would just pay all my tickets without arguing though.