California teacher 'relied on his old Boy Scouts training' to survive LAX shooting rampage - Polidicks

[url]http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/03/21296142-california-teacher-relied-on-his-old-boy-scouts-training-to-survive-lax-shooting-rampage?lite[/url] [QUOTE]A Southern California performing arts teacher managed to keep himself alive with a makeshift tourniquet after being shot by a lone gunman who violently descended upon the Los Angeles International Airport. Brian Ludmer, 29, was recovering from surgery Saturday after being shot in the leg while trying to catch a flight to a friend’s wedding the day before. "He dragged himself to a nearby closet, closed the door and relied on his old Boy Scouts training to create a makeshift tourniquet to help slow the bleeding," said Dan Stepenosky, superintendent of the Las Virgenes Unified School District. Ludmer waited inside the closet until he heard a police officer. He cracked the door open, saw it was a police officer and called for help. "It’s kind of incomprehensible," Stepenosky said. "You go to the airport to go to a wedding ... and now he's in a hospital." Friends, family members and colleagues were by the hospital bedside of the Calabasas teacher. "He sounds great, given what he’s gone through," Stepenosky said. "He’s optimistic and upbeat, and he sounds exhausted."[/QUOTE]

Lucky him, you can bleed out real quick if you don't don't apply a tourniquet in time. This also depends on how bad the injury is. Unfortunately not everyone knows this like he did.

[QUOTE=-Rusty-;42747737]Lucky him, you can bleed out real quick if you don't don't apply a tourniquet in time. This also depends on how bad the injury is. Unfortunately not everyone knows this like he did.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine some of the people didn't even have enough time to get that far though :/

Great survival instincts.

[QUOTE=-Rusty-;42747737]Lucky him, you can bleed out real quick if you don't don't apply a tourniquet in time. This also depends on how bad the injury is. Unfortunately not everyone knows this like he did.[/QUOTE] which is a shame because a tourniquet is pretty much the simplest thing you can do [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42749787]I wouldn't mind if the government provided a few free public medical classes at a hospital that teaches you these kind of things. Would be great I think. Or hell, at least teach you this in school, probably more useful than most of the classes high schools provide.[/QUOTE] this and basic survival knowledge. How to signal planes with a mirror, how to build a fire, etc.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42749787]I wouldn't mind if the government provided a few free public medical classes at a hospital that teaches you these kind of things. Would be great I think. Or hell, at least teach you this in school, probably more useful than most of the classes high schools provide.[/QUOTE] I agree with that a lot, it would be a hell of a lot more useful than some of the other shit they teach.

[QUOTE=Rayboy1995;42749862]I agree with that a lot, it would be a hell of a lot more useful than some of the other shit they teach.[/QUOTE] Like how to manipulate standardized tests to get a higher score.

I still remember the "life or limb" discussion on tourniquets back when I was a scout. Always good to see positive news about the BSA; their backwards approach to gay scouts, the complaints about physical restrictions for jamboree, and recently the indecent in Goblin valley have led to a lot of bad press. [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42749787]I wouldn't mind if the government provided a few free public medical classes at a hospital that teaches you these kind of things. Would be great I think. Or hell, at least teach you this in school, probably more useful than most of the classes high schools provide.[/QUOTE] I had mandatory first aid classes in both middle and high school. I thought that was the way it was across the US.

man I remember that tourniquets was always the final option. must have been some severe shit. Funnily enough they also taught you to treat some serious shit in boy scouts, like sucking chest wounds.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;42749966]man I remember that tourniquets was always the final option. must have been some severe shit. Funnily enough they also taught you to treat some serious shit in boy scouts, like sucking chest wounds.[/QUOTE] My old troop used to go to the local fire station for first aid courses every few months and the older boys were bored of going over the basics, so one of the instructors took it upon himself to make it interesting for the older guys. One time he parked a truck on top of a 200 pound training dummy and told us to "save" him. I dont think we managed to get him out "alive" after 2 hours of trying.

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42749828]which is a shame because a tourniquet is pretty much the simplest thing you can do [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] this and basic survival knowledge. How to signal planes with a mirror, how to build a fire, etc.[/QUOTE] So... Militia Training. That sums up about 99% of SHTF Courses given by random prepper/militia groups. Minus the firearms and explosives training, of course. All around I'd recommend people take up hunting courses from Departments for Game and Fishing. They cost about $25 to $50, but they are damn well fucking useful if you do a lot of activities outdoors or live in areas prone to natural disasters. This website has tons of US Military manuals in the regards to survival in drastic situations: [URL="http://lightfootmilitia.com/FMs.html"]Light Foot Militia[/URL] This[URL="http://lightfootmilitia.com/files/Ranger_Medic_Handbook.pdf"] guide provided by the 75th Ranger Regiment of the US Army(PDF),[/URL] is pretty good for base-study, but you should definatly look into practical courses provided by legal practitioners and all that.

lol we were taught how to navigate with watches and that, also firearms training I think they had 30-06 at some camps, but not the one I went to.

[QUOTE=imptastick;42749895]I still remember the "life or limb" discussion on tourniquets back when I was a scout. Always good to see positive news about the BSA; their backwards approach to gay scouts, the complaints about physical restrictions for jamboree, and recently the indecent in Goblin valley have led to a lot of bad press. [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] I had mandatory first aid classes in both middle and high school. I thought that was the way it was across the US.[/QUOTE] It's not, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;42750192]So... Militia Training. That sums up about 99% of SHTF Courses given by random prepper/militia groups. Minus the firearms and explosives training, of course. All around I'd recommend people take up hunting courses from Departments for Game and Fishing. They cost about $25 to $50, but they are damn well fucking useful if you do a lot of activities outdoors or live in areas prone to natural disasters. This website has tons of US Military manuals in the regards to survival in drastic situations: [URL="http://lightfootmilitia.com/FMs.html"]Light Foot Militia[/URL] This[URL="http://lightfootmilitia.com/files/Ranger_Medic_Handbook.pdf"] guide provided by the 75th Ranger Regiment of the US Army(PDF),[/URL] is pretty good for base-study, but you should definatly look into practical courses provided by legal practitioners and all that.[/QUOTE] idk if you meant to do this but that first site is directly affiliated with the Patriot movement that the suspect is thought to be a part of :V

[QUOTE=G71tc4;42751176]idk if you meant to do this but that first site is directly affiliated with the Patriot movement that the suspect is thought to be a part of :V[/QUOTE] Opposing the TSA and supporting limited government doesn't make you go out and shoot random TSA agents.

[QUOTE=G71tc4;42751176]idk if you meant to do this but that first site is directly affiliated with the Patriot movement that the suspect is thought to be a part of :V[/QUOTE] The Patriot Movement comprises of about 100,000 to 200,000 members. With numbers like that, and some of the radical groups out in places like Georgia and Arkansas you're bound to get a few psychos.

I learnt how to do this in Scouts as well, even taught me about how to survive snake and spider bites when you're in the bush, some real handy stuff

I wouldn't of thought of that, ever. Maybe I should take Boy Scouts training.

Gosh damn, quick thinking.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;42751399]The Patriot Movement comprises of about 100,000 to 200,000 members. With numbers like that, and some of the radical groups out in places like Georgia and Arkansas you're bound to get a few psychos.[/QUOTE] Yeah, when it comes to nuts, I don't think this particular bag of trail mix leans toward the dried fruit side.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;42749966]man I remember that tourniquets was always the final option. must have been some severe shit. Funnily enough they also taught you to treat some serious shit in boy scouts, like sucking chest wounds.[/QUOTE] More modern theory places the tourniquet as one of the first options to control severe bleeding in dire situations (combat, by yourself, gunman in airport, etc.) It's better to lose an arm than a life is the rational (an tourniquets can be left on for a couple hours without permanent damage associated).

[QUOTE=imptastick;42749895]I had mandatory first aid classes in both middle and high school. I thought that was the way it was across the US.[/QUOTE] I wish. Instead they gave us multiple science classes in terms of food and animals incase any of my classmates would ever become farmers. I nearly failed all but the food science class until one of them introduced a computer-based method of learning instead, which allowed me to ace it. v:v:v Wonder how nasty the injury was? I certainly don't want to see pictures, a bit squeamish, but this guy certainly had the opportunity for his skills to come in handy.

[QUOTE=onebit;42753148]Do you guys think it's a good idea to make guns easy to acquire? What if we minimized the amount of weapons in free society, making it a rarity? If there were no guns we'd still have sticks and knives.[/QUOTE] Really. Really. We were having a peaceful discussion about the upsides of being a boyscout and you do this. Really.

[QUOTE=onebit;42753148]Do you guys think it's a good idea to make guns easy to acquire? What if we minimized the amount of weapons in free society, making it a rarity? If there were no guns we'd still have sticks and knives.[/QUOTE] You trying to turn this thread into shitstorm central?

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;42751532]More modern theory places the tourniquet as one of the first options to control severe bleeding in dire situations (combat, by yourself, gunman in airport, etc.) It's better to lose an arm than a life is the rational (an tourniquets can be left on for a couple hours without permanent damage associated).[/QUOTE] well they assumed we didn't know what severe was, so elevating limbs, applying pressure, etc were first things you should do, then if shit gets really wild then tourniquets are called for.

[QUOTE=onebit;42753148]Do you guys think it's a good idea to make guns easy to acquire? What if we minimized the amount of weapons in free society, making it a rarity? If there were no guns we'd still have sticks and knives.[/QUOTE] Because in direct concession with minimizing the amount of legal weapons, you create a feasting point for human ingenuity to take off, thereby making criminal organizations pick up low waged metalsmiths to manufacture the exact thing you banned. You cannot inherently stop collective intelligence, and even in the lower percentile of gun ownership, a figure will still exist, and instead of pertaining the ownership of legal semi-automatics and bolt actions, the "blackmarket" will be saturated with automatic weapons. Not including collectors which would more than likely hire people to manufacture Khyber Pass copies, as they occasionally do in the United States. Can we talk about boyscouts now, and hand around survival books? It was such a nice conversation :(