Facebook’s COO Sheryl Sandberg new book and program for women receives mixed response, criticism as - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Sandberg says she wrote the book because she saw how women were being held back in corporate America. She notes that only 14 percent of executive officers are women – a figure that hasn’t change in 10 years.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In her book, Sandberg points to research that reveals women downplay their own accomplishments and largely attribute their own success to “working hard, help from others, and luck,” while men attribute success to “core skills.”[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Some people have said Sandberg should work to change the system instead of calling on women to assert themselves more. Sandberg says we have to make changes at both levels. She points to the Scandanavian country of [B]Norway[/B], which has generous government-supported maternity and paternity leaves and accessible childcare. “[I][B]They have every public policy and institutional reform we could ever argue for, and do you know how many women lead their top companies? Less than three percent[/I],” Sandberg said.[/B] In her book, Sandberg points to research that reveals women downplay their own accomplishments and largely attribute their own success to “working hard, help from others, and luck,” while men attribute success to “core skills.” Beyond the systematic problem, [B]Sandberg says that women bear their own responsibility when it comes to being successful.[/B] They need to be assertive, ambitious and more self-confident. Otherwise, she says, women are holding themselves back.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“There are people who think that in saying that women need to lean in more and claim their place at the table that you are blaming them,” Young prompted Sandberg. “I actually heard [someone say] on a talk show [B]that it’s the equivalent of blaming a rape victim[/B]. That it’s women’s fault that they haven’t achieved in the world.”[/QUOTE] And the cycle continues [url]http://www.wbur.org/2013/04/05/sheryl-sandberg-coolidge-theatr[/url] [url]http://www.npr.org/2013/03/11/173740524/lean-in-facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-explains-whats-holding-women-back[/url] [url]http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/03/31/175862363/should-all-women-heed-authors-advice-to-lean-in[/url] [url]http://dailyfreepress.com/2013/04/04/prominent-feminist-sheryl-sandberg-gives-interview-at-coolidge-corner/[/url]

Fulfilling a 50/50 quota isn't equality. Why is it so important to have more women in these positions? The 14 percent were able to become a CEO because of their skills and abilities. Should we just force other women which may not be able to lead a company into these positions just so we can have a 50/50 quota?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40235384]Fulfilling a 50/50 quota isn't equality. Why is it so important to have more women in these positions? The 14 percent were able to become a CEO because of their skills and abilities. Should we just force other women which may not be able to lead a company into these positions just so we can have a 50/50 quota?[/QUOTE] By what I'm reading in the OP, it doesn't sound like she wants the government to force equality, that women have to take it for themselves on their own initiative and hard struggle.

Men and women are not equal, simple as. Men are better at some things, women at others. There are things there will never be as many women as men working at/vice versa.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40235428]By what I'm reading in the OP, it doesn't sound like she wants the government to force equality, that women have to take it for themselves on their own initiative and hard struggle.[/QUOTE] but this predicates on business success being a meritocracy, which is a lie

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;40235472]but this predicates on business success being a meritocracy, which is a lie[/QUOTE] Not 100% and it doesn't outright say slithering your way to the top like most people isn't counted as own initiative and hard struggle.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40235384]Fulfilling a 50/50 quota isn't equality. Why is it so important to have more women in these positions? The 14 percent were able to become a CEO because of their skills and abilities. Should we just force other women which may not be able to lead a company into these positions just so we can have a 50/50 quota?[/QUOTE] We should provide more opportunities, like teaching younger women that they can succeed in fields other than what culture norms expect them to do.

If a woman wants to be something, she can. Shes going to be held to the same standards as everyone else, and will have to go through the same process. Nothing is saying they cant become something that a man does a job. They have access to the same tools and education as men, no?

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40235445]Men and women are not equal, simple as. Men are better at some things, women at others. There are things there will never be as many women as men working at/vice versa.[/QUOTE] True, but on the off chance that a certain man/woman is just as good as women/men in their field of expertise, we shouldn't allow society to dissuade them from doing what they do well because it's traditionally a men's/women's thing

[QUOTE=deltasquid;40235574]True, but on the off chance that a certain man/woman is just as good as women/men in their field of expertise, we shouldn't allow society to dissuade them from doing what they do well because it's traditionally a men's/women's thing[/QUOTE] Obviously not, but women shouldn't be hired "because woman".

[QUOTE=deltasquid;40235574]True, but on the off chance that a certain man/woman is just as good as women/men in their field of expertise, we shouldn't allow society to dissuade them from doing what they do well because it's traditionally a men's/women's thing[/QUOTE] I don't believe society is dissuading anyone like that. Social norms have been changing rapidly the past two decades, I don't see this as an issue as it was before.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40235445]Men and women are not equal, simple as. Men are better at some things, women at others. There are things there will never be as many women as men working at/vice versa.[/QUOTE] Biotruths detected. [quote]Shes going to be held to the same standards as everyone else[/quote] Trouble is, they ain't.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40235445]Men and women are not equal, simple as. Men are better at some things, women at others.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/2/0/biotruths.001.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40235602]I don't believe society is dissuading anyone like that. [/QUOTE] I think you must have forgotten all about tech fields As long as gender roles exist, I don't really think you can say that society isn't dissuading anyone from a particular occupation (male nurses, women in tech, etc)

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40235428]By what I'm reading in the OP, it doesn't sound like she wants the government to force equality, that women have to take it for themselves on their own initiative and hard struggle.[/QUOTE] It was more of an agreeing post with the article. [QUOTE=kanesenpai~;40235550]We should provide more opportunities, like teaching younger women that they can succeed in fields other than what culture norms expect them to do.[/QUOTE] But thats the way it is in Norway, havent you read the article? And there are only 3 percent female CEOs.

[QUOTE=areolop;40235554]If a woman wants to be something, she can. Shes going to be held to the same standards as everyone else, and will have to go through the same process. Nothing is saying they cant become something that a man does a job. They have access to the same tools and education as men, no?[/QUOTE] Here's where things get weird. Women are over represented in academia but still get paid less on average. Women get something like 55% of bachelor's degrees and 61% of master's degrees, but still make less money and achieve less overall. This can't be explained away by a lack of motivation or intelligence, women obviously have both. [url]http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72[/url]

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;40235963]Here's where things get weird. Women are over represented in academia but still get paid less on average. Women get something like 55% of bachelor's degrees and 61% of master's degrees, but still make less money and achieve less overall. This can't be explained away by a lack of motivation or intelligence, women obviously have both. [url]http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72[/url][/QUOTE] You posted statistics of degrees belonging to females, could you also provide the statistics to their wages?

[url]http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income[/url] What I find most interesting is that african american women are statistically more likely to be educated relative to men than any other race, yet still make less than men on average.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;40235963]Here's where things get weird. Women are over represented in academia but still get paid less on average. Women get something like 55% of bachelor's degrees and 61% of master's degrees, but still make less money and achieve less overall. This can't be explained away by a lack of motivation or intelligence, women obviously have both. [url]http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72[/url][/QUOTE] Maybe women are more motivated to be highly educated but aren't as motivated to seek out high paying jobs; wanting to be a scholar and wanting to be a CEO aren't the same thing.

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;40236125]Maybe women are more motivated to be highly educated but aren't as motivated to seek out high paying jobs; wanting to be a scholar and wanting to be a CEO aren't the same thing.[/QUOTE] Sure, but the statistic of 3% is referring to the fortune 500 companies of which 3% of the ceos are female. What you're implying by saying that is that there aren't 500 females in this world who are desirous of being a top level CEO.

[QUOTE=areolop;40235554]If a woman wants to be something, she can. Shes going to be held to the same standards as everyone else[/QUOTE] No she won't Men hold women to different standards than men, and women hold men to different standards than women This would balance out if it was a 50/50 split of male/female at the top but it isn't, so the traits that men feel are important (generally the ones men have or are expected to have) are going to be the ones that facilitate advancement in your career

Women are treated differently than men. This is a fact. Women are almost 2 times as likely to die from a heart issue than men because doctors don't take women's complaints seriously. [url]http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20100316/women-more-likely-to-die-after-heart-attack[/url] I can pull more and more of these out of the air if you need to be persuaded, but I work soon so it'l be a while. The point is that women are treated differently than men. This is 100% true.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;40236225]Women are treated differently than men. This is a fact. Women are almost 10 times as likely to die from a heart issue than men because doctors don't take women's complaints seriously. [url]http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20100316/women-more-likely-to-die-after-heart-attack[/url] I can pull more and more of these out of the air if you need to be persuaded, but I work soon so it'l be a while. The point is that women are treated differently than men. This is 100% true.[/QUOTE] A lot of that comes from doctors not bothering to learn that the symptoms of heart problems in women are often different than in men. While men might get a shooting pain in their left arm, it's not uncommon for a woman to present with only jaw pain

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40236246]A lot of that comes from doctors not bothering to learn that the symptoms of heart problems in women are often different than in men. While men might get a shooting pain in their left arm, it's not uncommon for a woman to present with only jaw pain[/QUOTE] I don't have nearly enough medical knowledge to be able to argue specifics, I'm just posting what I've read.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40236246]A lot of that comes from doctors not bothering to learn that the symptoms of heart problems in women are often different than in men. While men might get a shooting pain in their left arm, it's not uncommon for a woman to present with only jaw pain[/QUOTE] How would that even happen?

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