Tsar, AKA Alexander Zakharchenko, claims his forces have "1,200 personnel who underwent four months - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28817347[/url] [quote=BBC]The new rebel leader in east Ukraine's Donetsk region has said his forces include 1,200 fighters who underwent military training in Russia. Addressing a meeting, Alexander Zakharchenko said the fighters had trained "four months on the territory of the Russian Federation". The rebels, he said, had reserves of 150 combat vehicles, including tanks. An earlier mistranslation of his words suggested Mr Zakharchenko had said the vehicles were on their way from Russia. Russia has denied claims by Ukraine and Western reporters that military aid to the rebels has been crossing the border. More than 2,000 civilians and combatants have been killed since mid-April, when Ukraine's new government sent troops to put down an uprising by pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. A huge humanitarian aid convoy from Russia is stalled on the Russian side of the border about two hours drive from Luhansk, apparently awaiting inspection by Ukrainian border guards. Red Cross official Pascal Cuttat said on Saturday there were still no security guarantees in place for his staff to escort the lorries, although "technical conditions" had been agreed with Ukraine and Russia for crossing the border. On Friday Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoygu assured his US counterpart Chuck Hagel that there were no Russian military personnel involved with the convoy, nor would it be used as a pretext for a Russian military intervention. Journalists who were invited to inspect some of the 280 or so vehicles on Friday found humanitarian aid inside but also noticed that some of the lorries were not full to capacity. 'Trained in Russia' Mr Zakharchenko, who became the prime minister of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) last week, made the announcement to the rebels' parliament on Friday, with a video of his speech (in Russian) posted on YouTube. Littering the speech with military jargon, he said: "There are, at present, in the axis of the corridor [linking rebels in Donetsk with those in Luhansk and the Russian border] - there have been assembled -reserves of the following order: 150 units of military hardware of which about 30 are actual tanks and the rest are infantry fighting vehicles and armoured personnel carriers, and 1,200 personnel who underwent four months of military training on the territory of the Russian Federation." The rebel leader went on a Russian pro-Kremlin TV channel on Saturday to reject reports that the hardware had come from Russia. "The Ukrainian military have left us so much hardware that we can't find enough people to crew it - I mean tanks, troop carriers, Grad [multiple rocket] launchers and so on," he told Life News (video in Russian). [/quote]

May misery and death find them all.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45716764]I think someone is regretting appointing him by now.[/QUOTE] [img]http://cdn3.footballtop.ru/sites/default/files/imce/11610/putin_facepalm_epa_photo.jpg[/img] "God dammit man shut the fuck up. You're telling them too much."

Those rebels are so fucking dumb

United States train Syrian rebels in Oman and Qatar, so... what's wrong to train people?

[QUOTE=bogdan;45717739]United States train Syrian rebels in Oman and Qatar, so... what's wrong to train people?[/QUOTE] Carefully review your statement and check the logic you've applied in order to justify and or morally deem as correct what is Russia is doing.... Because surprise motherfucker, you will find out you are wrong.

Do they have over 300 confirmed kills? Am i a dead kiddo?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45717952]Carefully review your statement and check the logic you've applied in order to justify and or morally deem as correct what is Russia is doing.... Because surprise motherfucker, you will find out you are wrong.[/QUOTE] I don't get it, what's the catch? When people, trained by US kill other people - it's fighting for their own freedom and democracy, and when people, trained by Russia kill other people (funny thing, those eastern ukrainian rebels claim they fight for their freedom and other shit too) it's an act of terrorism and bad thing? Da fuck?

[QUOTE=bogdan;45718126]I don't get it, what's the catch? When people, trained by US kill other people - it's fighting for their own freedom and democracy, and when people, trained by Russia kill other people (funny thing, those eastern ukrainian rebels claim they fight for their freedom and other shit too) it's an act of terrorism and bad thing? Da fuck?[/QUOTE] They shot down a passenger plane ffs they are not fighting for freedom, only for them to be in power

[QUOTE=bogdan;45718126]I don't get it, what's the catch? When people, trained by US kill other people - it's fighting for their own freedom and democracy, and when people, trained by Russia kill other people (funny thing, those eastern ukrainian rebels claim they fight for their freedom and other shit too) it's an act of terrorism and bad thing? Da fuck?[/QUOTE] I dont even have to point it out people, but i will. [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/IMG]

Russia, teach your people OPSEC... I mean damn, your guys are not even making us guess anymore. Although, how the hell did they get 27 more tanks, I mean since he just admitted the Russians are sending him military support, what else is he about to admit? Putin's probably facepalming bigger than shit right now...

[QUOTE=bogdan;45718126]I don't get it, what's the catch? When people, trained by US kill other people - it's fighting for their own freedom and democracy, and when people, trained by Russia kill other people (funny thing, those eastern ukrainian rebels claim they fight for their freedom and other shit too) it's an act of terrorism and bad thing? Da fuck?[/QUOTE] Newsflash: The whole world is fucked up and immoral. I got a feeling money has something to do with it

[QUOTE=Deaglez7;45718199]I dont even have to point it out people, but i will. [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] fyi this is just as dumb as when people do it to us with our flag!!!

[QUOTE=evilweazel;45718531]fyi this is just as dumb as when people do it to us with our flag!!![/QUOTE] It sort of is, it's ad hominem and a cheap debating tactic However, if you can establish that he watches RT religiously...

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45718215]Russia, teach your people OPSEC... I mean damn, your guys are not even making us guess anymore. Although, how the hell did they get 27 more tanks, I mean since he just admitted the Russians are sending him military support, what else is he about to admit? Putin's probably facepalming bigger than shit right now...[/QUOTE] At this point, I wouldn't be even surprised if one of those rebel leaders blurbs out that Putin wants to conquer Europe during one of their statements. And saying what and when the first strike is. Seriously, I wouldn't even let these people be in charge of herding ducks.

Again still feeling pretty uneasy about this shit. Wish this beehive would dissolve.

[QUOTE=Deaglez7;45718199]I dont even have to point it out people, but i will. [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] so what? if you're claiming he is biased on the side of Russia, then you are by default claiming you are biased on the side of the USA do you think you're a special snowflake exempt from all this?

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45722726]I don't think he's denying that.[/QUOTE] I don't think so because then he wouldn't need to be educated on the subject Everyone needs to educate themselves on geopolitics; every government is strategic and acts in its own interests (wow no shit right). Whether you believe one government is all nice and lovely and speaks to god and the other is an horrific baby-killing empire... is completely irrelevant, you're just getting caught up in stupid drama, propaganda and the shit you hear from your own local/regional news outlet

[QUOTE=bogdan;45718126]I don't get it, what's the catch? When people, trained by US kill other people - it's fighting for their own freedom and democracy, and when people, trained by Russia kill other people (funny thing, those eastern ukrainian rebels claim they fight for their freedom and other shit too) it's an act of terrorism and bad thing? Da fuck?[/QUOTE] Well it might just have something to do with the fact that U.S. backed rebels don't tend to shoot down passenger jets for giggles. Not to say that the U.S. hasn't backed some really nasty shit in the past or even maybe currently, but my point still stands pretty clearly that neither side is clean in this conflict. "Well they do it so why can't we!?" is not a valid argument, otherwise Israel would be perfectly justified in targeting civilian targets. Pro tip: they're not.

Four months ain't shit, that's Basic training. All you learn in Basic is how to shoot and how not to die when you need to walk for more than 18 hours.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;45722860]Four months ain't shit, that's Basic training. All you learn in Basic is how to shoot and how not to die when you need to walk for more than 18 hours.[/QUOTE] I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these '1200 personnel' didn't go to Russian basic training.