• Tribal environmentalism
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So there used to be these guys. They shared everything. we called them savages, indians, and tribemen. They all gave eachother stuff because they equally cared about eachother and all had a job because if they contributed to the tribe, they got to live and eat for another day. They all respected the earth for what it was, and lived with it. Then there were the women. Sure, they were nothing but gatherers and baby makers but they still were the same as men. Then these other guys came along and saw them and thought "What the hell? these guys don't think anything about themselves?" they didn't like this, and considered this savage-like, and didn't see enough buildings and smoke, so they killed everybody and made it more like their homeland. These guys didn't think for a second about how happy these guys were. Ever wonder what it was like to be those guys who killed all the indians? "Oh look, a bunch of people are living in the place where I need my gold. Let's move them out of the way" Ever wonder what it was like to be an indian meeting those men? "Oh look, some new guys who look a lot different. They don't seem to be doing too well around here, I should help them out. WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARE THEY SHOOTING" Anyway, tribal environmentalism is where everybody in a community or "Tribe" agrees to respect the universe and share with everyone else. These people didn't want more than the other guy, they just wanted to live another day. It's basically how communism started out with european farmers, but they decided it wouldn't work. tell me facepunch, if you could, would you have everybody go tribal environmentalist?
Not going to happen, not with everyone trying to get as much as possible regardless of whatever collateral damage that causes :smithicide:
Damn Europeans and their imperialistic ancestors. Oh wait.
No, scientific development destroyed spiritual advancement, so it would make no difference. They didn't live simply just because they had to, rather because it was better not to gain material attachments. Unlike today, where material things are all anybody wants.
There's little room for advancement in a tribal society. The Native Americans (or Nomadic Eastern Europeans if you want to get technical) didn't even have the wheel. If you really want humanity to stay where it is forever, be my guest and take your bow inna woods.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;21397006]There's little room for advancement in a tribal society. The Native Americans (or Nomadic Eastern Europeans if you want to get technical) didn't even have the wheel. If you really want humanity to stay where it is forever, be my guest and take your bow inna woods.[/QUOTE] It sounds a hell of a lot better than having science do nothing but promote materialism
I think it'd be pretty funny to breed a species of ultra-invasive bamboo that grows insanely fast in harsh conditions, then go around to large cities planting it everywhere. Watch nature take the city by force <3 Not related to the OP much, but close enough. Also, I love my material goods.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21397115]I think it'd be pretty funny to breed a species of ultra-invasive bamboo that grows insanely fast in harsh conditions, then go around to large cities planting it everywhere. Watch nature take the city by force <3[/QUOTE] That's be pretty amazing
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397026]It sounds a hell of a lot better than having science do nothing but promote materialism[/QUOTE] So you would rather be living in complete terror of catching smallpox because science hasn't advanced enough for a vaccine? Would you prefer the internet didn't exist? Would you prefer that humanity never landed on the moon? Would you prefer that we never took to the skies? Would you prefer that the ideas of free speach, free religion, and democracy never existed?
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397026]It sounds a hell of a lot better than having science do nothing but promote materialism[/QUOTE] You IDIOT. Good fucking god this is the most fucking retarded thing I have heard all day. What the hell are you typing with genius? Maybe you haven't realized how much better life is with the advancements in science. Yeah peaceful tribes, lets now sacrifice some virgins to appease the gods so that we may have a good hunt. MEDICINE, ANTIBIOTICS, PLUMBING, HYGIENE. Oh no that's all materialism, evil nasty materialism which lets me sit in a nice warm home. The ungrateful shits which are produced by the thought of ecofriendliness is fucking astounding.
No way, I like my coffee, internet, and vidya games. [QUOTE=hypno-toad;21397115]I think it'd be pretty funny to breed a species of ultra-invasive bamboo that grows insanely fast in harsh conditions, then go around to large cities planting it everywhere. Watch nature take the city by force <3 Not related to the OP much, but close enough. Also, I love my material goods.[/QUOTE] Landscaping extremists. :argh:
[QUOTE=mastermaul;21397170]So you would rather be living in complete terror of catching smallpox because science hasn't advanced enough for a vaccine? Would you prefer the internet didn't exist? Would you prefer that humanity never landed on the moon? Would you prefer that we never took to the skies? Would you prefer that the ideas of free speach, free religion, and democracy never existed?[/QUOTE] 1. I wouldn't be afraid of small pox because it never would have existed had the europeans stayed home. 2. I would 3. I would 4. I would 5. They did exist.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397225]1. I wouldn't be afraid of small pox because it never would have existed had the europeans stayed home. 2. I would 3. I would 4. I would 5. They did exist.[/QUOTE] I suggest we sacrifice this virgin to the gods so that we may have a good harvest.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21397240]I suggest we sacrifice this virgin to the gods so that we may have a good harvest.[/QUOTE] I love you either way
Though modern life certainly has gone a long way from it's roots (accounts for the depression in so many people) I think that I'd rather live with the comforts of modern society. Though I can imagine living the old way would have it's benefits, I think I'd rather live with modern commodities such as a roof over my head and the guarantee that if I lose an arm, I can go to the hospital to get treated for free. I also love my television, internet, and my power tools.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397225]1. I wouldn't be afraid of small pox because it never would have existed had the europeans stayed home. 2. I would 3. I would 4. I would 5. They did exist.[/QUOTE] 1. It existed. Who said you were going to be born in North America in your fantasy world here? 2. Nice to know you hate free information. 3. Nice to know you hate progress. 4. Nice to know you hate something which pulled humanity closer than ever. 5. Go back in time and question the motives of any tribal chief, see how long it takes before you get a knife in your back.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;21397309]1. It existed. Who said you were going to be born in North America in your fantasy world here? 2. Nice to know you hate free information. 3. Nice to know you hate progress. 4. Nice to know you hate something which pulled humanity closer than ever. 5.[/QUOTE] 1. Look, just because I said I don't like materialism doesn't mean I hate medical advancements 2. 90% useless information that won't change my life 3. Progress towards WHAT 4. Not really, just made things faster and gave us another reason not to trust eachother. 5. I don't mean that i LITERALLY want to live in a tribe, but a more environmentalist and sharing way of life would be the best.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397344]3. Progress towards WHAT[/QUOTE] Getting off this rock?
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397344]1. Look, just because I said I don't like materialism doesn't mean I hate medical advancements 2. 90% useless information that won't change my life 3. Progress towards WHAT 4. Not really, just made things faster and gave us another reason not to trust eachother. 5. I don't mean that i LITERALLY want to live in a tribe, but a more environmentalist and sharing way of life would be the best.[/QUOTE] 1. What you call materialism is where medical advancements are made. 2. Quit being selfish, the internet is perhaps the greatest achievement of our generation allowing for an ever expanding database of our knowledge. 3. TOWARDS A BETTER LIVING AND A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF OUR UNIVERSE 4. BS, technology has brought people closer together, how the fuck do you think your communicating? 5. Environmentalists love leaves and hate humans.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21397421]1. What you call materialism is where medical advancements are made. 2. Quit being selfish, the internet is perhaps the greatest achievement of our generation allowing for an ever expanding database of our knowledge. 3. TOWARDS A BETTER LIVING AND A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF OUR UNIVERSE 4. BS, technology has brought people closer together, how the fuck do you think your communicating? 5. Environmentalists love leaves and hate humans.[/QUOTE] 1. What I call environmentalism is buying things just to buy things. 2. I'm not being selfish. We got along fine for thousands of years without the internet. It's useless. 3. How is exploring a whole lot of nothing going to help us live better? Why do we need to understand the universe? why question it and just go with it? 4. I sure as hell ain't doing it on an airplane! 5. I don't hate
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397502]3. How is exploring a whole lot of nothing going to gelp us live better? Why do we need to understand the universe? why question it and just go with it?[/QUOTE] "Why question it?" is the most spineless, worthless, stupidest thing anyone can say about anything.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397502][B]1. What I call environmentalism is buying things just to buy things. [/B][/QUOTE] Well, I guess so I mean, you see all these advertisements about how you should buy green products. First thing we have agreed on :colbert: Can we also add that it's bullshit? [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397502]2. I'm not being selfish. We got along fine for thousands of years without the internet. It's useless.[/QUOTE] I think your argument is imploding on itself. [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397502]3. How is exploring a whole lot of nothing going to gelp us live better? Why do we need to understand the universe? why question it and just go with it?[/QUOTE] Yeah, because colonizing other planets sounds like such a waste of time.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;21397589]"Why question it?" is the most spineless, worthless, stupidest thing anyone can say about anything.[/QUOTE] The universe isn't out to get you. stop being a paranoid freak. [quote=Carbon Knight] Yeah, because colonizing other planets sounds like such a waste of time. [/quote] It does. What purpose does it serve other than making another place to fuck up and use for real estate because instead of fixing the problem we have of being too full and using up all our natural resources we're too stubborn, so we just use someone elses/something elses.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21396816]So there used to be these guys. They shared everything. we called them savages, indians, and tribemen. They all gave eachother stuff because they equally cared about eachother and all had a job because if they contributed to the tribe, they got to live and eat for another day. They all respected the earth for what it was, and lived with it. Then there were the women. Sure, they were nothing but gatherers and baby makers but they still were the same as men. Then these other guys came along and saw them and thought "What the hell? these guys don't think anything about themselves?" they didn't like this, and considered this savage-like, and didn't see enough buildings and smoke, so they killed everybody and made it more like their homeland. These guys didn't think for a second about how happy these guys were. Ever wonder what it was like to be those guys who killed all the indians? "Oh look, a bunch of people are living in the place where I need my gold. Let's move them out of the way" Ever wonder what it was like to be an indian meeting those men? "Oh look, some new guys who look a lot different. They don't seem to be doing too well around here, I should help them out. WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARE THEY SHOOTING" Anyway, tribal environmentalism is where everybody in a community or "Tribe" agrees to respect the universe and share with everyone else. These people didn't want more than the other guy, they just wanted to live another day. It's basically how communism started out with european farmers, but they decided it wouldn't work. tell me facepunch, if you could, would you have everybody go tribal environmentalist?[/QUOTE] OP, read this [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage[/url] Now read this [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire[/url]
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397607]The universe isn't out to get you. stop being a paranoid freak. It does. What purpose does it serve other than making another place to fuck up and use for real estate because instead of fixing the problem we have of being too full and using up all our natural resources we're too stubborn, so we just use someone elses/something elses.[/QUOTE] [img]http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2531/burningxmastree.jpg[/img] oh my GOD! That tree just caught on fire! What sorcery caused this? All I saw was a flash of light from the sky. Oh well I guess we will never know because life is SOOO much better when your an ignorant jackass.
[QUOTE=TH89;21397663]OP, read this [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage[/URL] Now read this [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire[/URL][/QUOTE] You people don't realize that I'm not advocating living exactly like native americans, and that I'm not saying the native americans were 100% perfect. No they were just as human as everyone else, but Im using a hypothetical situation. I doubt a single one of you even read what my post was really saying, you just heard "OMG HE WANTS TO TAEK MY PRESHUS INTERNETS OMGOMGOMG" and didn't think about how this could benefit you.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397715]You people don't realize that I'm not advocating living exactly like native americans, and that I'm not saying the native americans were 100% perfect. No they were just as human as everyone else, but Im using a hypothetical situation. I doubt a single one of you even read what my post was really saying, you just heard "OMG HE WANTS TO TAEK MY PRESHUS INTERNETS OMGOMGOMG" and didn't think about how this could benefit you.[/QUOTE] I read it. I just came to the conclusion that your a selfish ignorant dick that does not realize that we must advance in technology and your supposed, "paradise", is nothing but a self satisfying eco-wetdream.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21397607]The universe isn't out to get you. stop being a paranoid freak.[/QUOTE] When did I say it was? I said that not questioning things is the most idiotic thing a man can do.
Herp Derp. Natives wanting to help us, my ass. If you seriously think they were all helpful/friendly/go-lucky natives like the first Thanksgiving, you have another thing coming. Ever hear of scalping? And don't tell me that they were provoked, there were a lot of combat based tribes that would have, and did, attack us no matter what we did. Also, you must think that systems like Marxism and Socialism are pretty great, because you seriously think everyone can just get along.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21397739]I read it. I just came to the conclusion that your a selfish ignorant dick that does not realize that we must advance in technology and your supposed, "paradise", is nothing but a self satisfying eco-wetdream.[/QUOTE] How is it selfish to not want to kill anybody. How is it selfish to not want to fuck up the air we breath. How is it in any way selfish to want a happier life for other people and myself? Look, the #1 cause of depression or suffering in your life is because you own things. If you don't own anything, you don't have anything to worry about. If you own something, you just want to own more things so that you have more things and you can be "Happier", but it won't stop until you own everything in the world, and then, someone will be jealous of you. He will want your stuff and fuck your shit up, only causing more stress to yourself because you have more to manage
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