National BLM organization denounces Wichita BBQ, "Not in line with our principles"
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[quote][B]WICHITA, Kan. (KWCH)[/B] The national co-founder of the BlackLivesMatter organization says she does not support last weekend's "first step barbecue."
The event let the community and Wichita police officers talk about ways to improve relations between the department and minority communities.
"The group of people who had a BBQ with the police are not affiliated with BlackLivesMatter," said Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of the national organization.
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[quote]A tweet from the D.C. chapter of BlackLivesMatter said the BBQ is not in line with the principals of the national organization. Cullors said the event in Wichita doesn't bring about change.
"We don't sit on panels with law enforcement, and we don't have BBQ's or cookouts with law enforcement. We feel the best method at this point in history is by holding police accountable by organizing and advocating for police accountability," Collors said[/quote]
[quote]Wichita organizer Djuan Wash said the movement in Wichita is about saving lives.
"It's not about who's credit, who has that organization, who has that organization, whether or not we stand in line with their principles and different things like that," said Wash. "We never once said we were a black lives matter organization."
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[url]http://www.kake.com/story/32511285/wichita-activists-respond-to-backlash-from-black-lives-matter-chapter-in-dc[/url]
[quote]"This wasn't just a fanfare event. This was definitely something that we wanted to bring to everybody's attention.
Now that we have their attention, we want to educate them on how to do those things. We want to be able to get everybody to vote," said AJ Bohannon, community activist.
Bohannon and Djuan Wash were among the community activists who helped to co-organize the First Steps Cookout with the Wichita Police Department.
"I think it was a right first step for our community to take, for the opportunity for the chief to come out and make public commitments.
We've never had a Chief of Police that has come out and has been as accessible and as available as Chief Ramsay has been, so I think it was something that was good for our community," said Wash.
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[quote]We feel the best method at this point in history is by holding police accountable by organizing and advocating for police accountability," Collors said[/quote]
That I can agree with, but I doubt refusing to sit at the same table as LE, literally or figuratively, is going to help that.
Also,
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Wichita organizer Djuan Wash said the movement in Wichita is about saving lives.
"It's not about who's credit, who has that organization, who has that organization, whether or not we stand in line with their principles and different things like that," said Wash. "We never once said we were a black lives matter organization."[/quote]
So I'm not seeing a major problem here.
some just want to watch the world burn
What sad wretched people.
You'd think you'd want to encourage this as a BLM protestor because it humanizes both sides to each other.
but I guess we're not there yet
Straight up admitting that they don't give a shit about solving their problems like adults and instead just want to hold up signs and scream chants without making any attempt to actually do anything constructive.
These people are fucking cancer, holy shit
"People are nice and have a cookout without rioting like animals"
BLM: your not BLM for not rioting and causing damage, reeeeee
What a joke, shit like this is exactly why BLM will never be taken seriously.
I really hope that the chapter that held the First Steps Cookout represents the majority rather than the minority.
I'm very afraid that the leaders of BLM are moving away (and might have already moved away) from MLK's ideas of peaceful protest [I]and[/I] political action and communication. You need to have both if you want to have change, otherwise things are only going to get worse.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50762387]You'd think you'd want to encourage this as a BLM protestor because it humanizes both sides to each other.
but I guess we're not there yet[/QUOTE]
Well it's not exactly an unexpected move considering they straight up went to a pride parade and tried to force them to agree not to allow police floats.
As far as it seems, they have no interest in improving relations between police and communities.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;50762424]So is BLM slowing transforming into the Black Panthers 2.0? Or am i overreacting?[/QUOTE]
Slowly?
This was posted on the same day as the Dallas shootings.
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So is BLM slowing transforming into the Black Panthers 2.0? Or am i overreacting?
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;50762424]So is BLM slowing transforming into the Black Panthers 2.0? Or am i overreacting?[/QUOTE]
In my view they will do in the end because they have done so little to moderate their rhetoric or marginalise their violent extremes, but currently people are massively overreacting to them, and they remain mostly a peaceful protest group for now.
since BLM by nature has no leader, anyone or any group/page can go up and proclaim itself as king and say what values it has.
All we can do is just support the groups that do the right thing and denounce the ones that don't in a respectful manner.
I Really hope more groups will do things like the BBQ with the police. the last thing we need is segregation
"How about we resolve our problems peacefully and talk--" "NO."
The BLM-DC agenda seems to have nothing to do with police mistreatment of African-Americans as much as it has to do with making race tensions as heavy as possible. What absolute assholes.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50762387]You'd think you'd want to encourage this as a BLM protestor because it humanizes both sides to each other.
but I guess we're not there yet[/QUOTE]
Yeah, what the hell BLM? Demonizing police 24/7 isn't helping anyone, you need to sit at the table and discuss the problems and find solutions to them with police!
I bet they're just pissed that they didn't get a nice BBQ
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Apparently the Oakland PD tried to offer a BBQ to BLM outside their building, who responded to the offer by insulting the officers. Maybe some of BLM wants a solution, but it seems like most of it, leadership included, just wants to complain and spread hatred.
These people are the answer to the question "Why can't we all just get along?"
[QUOTE=Octavius;50762490]You say this as if the Black Panthers were bad. And the answer is no.[/QUOTE]
They were bad. They murdered people who they disliked within the movement, they murdered police officers, and they in general did as much as they possibly could to set back the civil rights movements.
The fact that the BBQ was called "First Steps" indicates they (the Wichita PD) are aware that there is much to be done still, and that this wasn't some kind of bribe buyout, trying to make people forget their problems because of music and free food. Anyone who thinks that event was a bad thing just wants things to get worse. It just feels like there is a certain kind of person who just wants things to get worse all around and to stay that way in order to justify their own perceived lack of accountability and personal responsibility.
[QUOTE=da space core;50762432]since BLM by nature has no leader, anyone or any group/page can go up and proclaim itself as king and say what values it has.
All we can do is just support the groups that do the right thing and denounce the ones that don't in a respectful manner.
I Really hope more groups will do things like the BBQ with the police. the last thing we need is segregation[/QUOTE]
I think BLMCD can be considered an organization within the BLM movement. The way they act does represent the public view of the BLM movement
I thought there was no such thing as official BLM chapters.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50762507]They were bad. They murdered people who they disliked within the movement, they murdered police officers, and they in general did as much as they possibly could to set back the civil rights movements.[/QUOTE]
You sound like you're just letting your liberal prejudices get in the way and tell us how annoyed with the far left you are. The panthers were neither intrinsically bad nor good, they were simply a progressive nationalist force that gave an oppressed people a way to challenge state power and build their own, rather than trying to find accommodation with the ruling elite. They were the black intersection with a wider movement in history, and it was inevitable. Killing cops and setting back the center-left isn't an argument against them, that's just kinda history at work. What do you expect? There's nothing to regret since it's impossible to have the civil rights movement without intersection with the far left, as much as the democratic party might wish it so.
That said BLM is nothing like the Panthers, one is garbage the other actually has thought out ideas
[QUOTE=Apache249;50762623]I thought there was no such thing as official BLM chapters.[/QUOTE]
There are a bunch of self proclaimed officials groups, but none is really recognized as official.
[QUOTE=Conscript;50762660]You sound like you're just letting your liberal prejudices get in the way and tell us how annoyed with the far left you are. The panthers were neither intrinsically bad nor good, they were simply a progressive nationalist force that gave an oppressed people a way to challenge state power and build their own, rather than trying to find accommodation with the ruling elite. They were the black intersection with a wider movement in history, and it was inevitable. Killing cops and setting back the center-left isn't an argument against them, that's just kinda history at work. What do you expect?
That said BLM is nothing like the Panthers, one is garbage the other actually has thought out ideas[/QUOTE]
"killing innocent people isn't inherently bad"
[QUOTE=Apache249;50762623]I thought there was no such thing as official BLM chapters.[/QUOTE]
It's more like a bunch of likeminded individuals coming together to do their thing in the name of BLM
[QUOTE=Conscript;50762660]You sound like you're just letting your liberal prejudices get in the way and tell us how annoyed with the far left you are. The panthers were neither intrinsically bad nor good, they were simply a progressive nationalist force that gave an oppressed people a way to challenge state power and build their own, rather than trying to find accommodation with the ruling elite. They were the black intersection with a wider movement in history, and it was inevitable. [B]Killing cops and setting back the center-left isn't an argument against them[/B], that's just kinda history at work. What do you expect?
That said BLM is nothing like the Panthers, one is garbage the other actually has thought out ideas[/QUOTE]
Well this thread is going to go off the rails pretty soon.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50762687]"killing innocent people isn't inherently bad"[/QUOTE]
Black proles > state enforcers of a racialized class hierarchy on whatever spectrum of innocence you're looking at
The history of police in the US and proves cops as a structure are more political than crime fighters. They evolved rapidly in the 19th and 20th century to various things that ultimately boil down to matters of class and race, things like slave revolts, draft riots, and labor unrest. [url=https://worxintheory.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/origins-of-the-police/]Read[/url]. State power under the simple mission of maintaining peace has centralized, militarized, and otherwise evolved specifically to control masses of people over a huge space of land, not save you from a burglar.
has anyone ever explained what exactly they mean when they say they want more police accountability? like, what is the endgame there? what would a more accountable police force look like? what are some steps to get there?
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