US, Ukraine accuse Russia of using mobile crematoriums to dispose of war dead

[purvisdavid1]

[url]http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-26/putin-burns-his-dead-to-hide-ukraine-aggression[/url]

[quote=Bloomberg View]Russia is so desperate to hide its military involvement in Ukraine that it has brought in mobile crematoriums to destroy the bodies of its war dead, say U.S. lawmakers who traveled to the war-torn country this spring.

The U.S. and NATO have long maintained that thousands of Russian troops are fighting alongside separatists inside eastern Ukraine, and that the Russian government is obscuring not only the presence but also the deaths of its soldiers there. In March, NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow told a conference, "Russian leaders are less and less able to conceal the fact that Russian soldiers are fighting -- and dying -- in large numbers in eastern Ukraine."

Hence the extreme measures to get rid of the evidence. “The Russians are trying to hide their casualties by taking mobile crematoriums with them,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry told me. “They are trying to hide not only from the world but from the Russian people their involvement.”

Thornberry said he had seen evidence of the crematoriums from both U.S. and Ukrainian sources. He said he could not disclose details of classified information, but insisted that he believed the reports. “What we have heard from the Ukrainians, they are largely supported by U.S. intelligence and others,” he said.

Representative Seth Moulton, a former Marine Corps officer and a Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, was with Thornberry on the Ukraine trip in late March. He tweeted about the mobile crematoriums at the time, but didn’t reveal his sources. He told me this week the information didn’t come just from Ukrainian officials, whose record of providing war intelligence to U.S. lawmakers isn’t stellar.

“We heard this from a variety of sources over there, enough that I was confident in the veracity of the information,” Moulton said, also being careful not to disclose classified U.S. intelligence.

Both Thornberry and Moulton agreed with Vershbow's assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin was struggling to keep up the ruse that he has no soldiers fighting inside Ukraine. Moulton said the mounting evidence of dead Russian soldiers is causing a domestic backlash for Putin. Russian and Ukrainian bloggers and activists have been compiling lists of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, including details of their service and circumstances of their deaths. New organizations in Russia representing soldiers’ families have sprung up to publicly challenge Putin's narrative.[/quote]

[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-using-mobile-crematoriums-in-ukraine-2015-5[/url]

[quote=Business Insider]Russia is using crematoriums on wheels to burn the bodies of its soldiers who die fighting alongside pro-Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine, Bloomberg's Josh Rogin reports.

“The Russians are trying to hide their casualties by taking mobile crematoriums with them,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry told Rogin. “They are trying to hide not only from the world but from the Russian people their involvement.”

The mobile crematoriums — which burn about eight to 10 bodies a day, according to Ukraine security service chief Valentyn Nalyvaichenko — reveal how far Russia is willing to go to hide its military presence in the war.

"Every day, the hotline of the Security Service of Ukraine records a great of number of calls from dozens of Russian citizens who are looking for their relatives or Russian soldiers who have been sent to the territory of Ukraine," Nalyvaichenko said in January.

The Kremlin has denied involvement in Ukraine ever since Russian special forces occupied the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea in February 2014.

"Russian leaders are less and less able to conceal the fact that Russian soldiers are fighting — and dying — in large numbers in eastern Ukraine," NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow told a conference in Latvia in March.[/quote]

[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efe_1410266111[/url] - Video from liveleak showing the purported crematoriums.

[Zakk]

Mobile Crematorium sounds like the most brutal metal band in history.

[Awesomecaek]

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47808341]Mobile Crematorium sounds like the most brutal metal band in history.[/QUOTE]

To be honest it's pretty metal.

Somebody gets to drive the burning corpse wagon.

[Baron von Hax]

I don't know what it is about this, but this just seems like a really bad thing.

[DogGunn]

Hmm, getting feelings of comparisons to Nazis right here.

[SundayRoast]

Russia not having respect for those whom died in warfare?
What else is new?

[spiritlol]

Reminds me of another Russian invention, the gas van:
[img_thumb]http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/images/saurer.jpg[/img_thumb]

Used by the Soviets and the Nazi's, it is a vehicle designed so that the exhaust is pumped into an airtight chamber in the back.

[Satansick]

I don't understand where's the proof.

[The fox]

[QUOTE=spiritlol;47808532]Reminds me of another Russian invention, the gas van:
[img_thumb]http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/images/saurer.jpg[/img_thumb]

Used by the Soviets and the Nazi's, it is a vehicle designed so that the exhaust is pumped into an airtight chamber in the back.[/QUOTE]

Afaik, similiar death vans are deployed in China, except of gas, lethal injections are used.

Still, mobile crematoriums sound a bit outlandish, could they even reach the temperatures high enough to be able to incenirate bone and flesh?

[damnatus]

[QUOTE=spiritlol;47808532]Reminds me of another Russian invention, the gas van:
[img_thumb]http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/images/saurer.jpg[/img_thumb]

Used by the Soviets and the Nazi's, it is a vehicle designed so that the exhaust is pumped into an airtight chamber in the back.[/QUOTE]

While the story is true, this picture is horribly photoshopped

[Demeschik]

[QUOTE=The fox;47808671]Afaik, similiar death vans are deployed in China, except of gas, lethal injections are used.
[/QUOTE]

Are you saying the fucking truck gives people lethal injections on the go?

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=Demeschik;47808734]Are you saying the fucking truck gives people lethal injections on the go?[/QUOTE]

its more like prisons don't all have facilities to execute someone, so instead of transporting them to an execution chamber, it goes to the prison where the person is sentenced

[editline]26th May 2015[/editline]

while china's use of the death penalty is questionable, the van is not for mass murder

the mobile crematorium though seems like something thats difficult to hide when its deployed, but if its similar to the one in the video, very easy to hide while its not in use

[MuffinZerg]

Jokes on them, all the dead get raised by the mobile sacrificial van and continue to fight for mother Russia.

[Dark RaveN]

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47808341]Mobile Crematorium sounds like the most brutal metal band in history.[/QUOTE]

I've seen a Russian band named "Satan bakes pancakes".

Like, cmon.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47808357]To be honest it's pretty metal.

Somebody gets to drive the burning corpse wagon.[/QUOTE]

driving the burning corpse wagon is mobile crematorium's first album, actually

[The fox]

[QUOTE=Demeschik;47808734]Are you saying the fucking truck gives people lethal injections on the go?[/QUOTE]

So I heard, though that was a few years ago. Might be Western propaganda/rumors, though.

[blah2]

Remids me of first 40 seconds of this.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jty0KNtbaCA[/media]

[Hilton]

What is up with the fucking evil villain music in that video?

[Archival]

Its getting to the point where im just outright not believing anything that has anything to do with Ukraine unless theres some actual solid evidence that can be shown.
The amount of bullshit that both sides are coming up with and reporting is getting out of hand.

Though at least the news crews haven't resorted to whats going on over at liveleak.
Go to the Ukraine channel and its just a fling war of "oh the russians are nazis" and "oh the ukrainians are nazis"

[Rangergxi]

[QUOTE=archival;47812349]
Go to the Ukraine channel and its just a fling war of "oh the russians are nazis" and "oh the ukrainians are nazis"[/QUOTE]

I would expect more Holodmor references.

[Araknid]

I'm not saying that there isn't any Russians in Ukraine, but where is the actual proof that they're using mobile crematoriums?
All there is is shit being said by US and Ukrainians, and a video that doesn't really say anything other than a demonstration of it

I mean there's this but he isn't refering to the mobile crematoriums
[quote]“I never volunteered for this; but any attempts to quit would be useless,” a young Russian officer told Newsweek. “They are sending us back to the meat grinder tomorrow; if somebody told me earlier about the truth, none of us would have signed up for $US1,000 a month to get fried alive in Ukraine.”[/quote]

I'm also not saying that it's something that Russia would never do, I mean it makes sense to dispose of bodies in a way that they can't be found, but I'd like more irrefutable evidence before I can actually believe this

[Pilot1215]

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47808876]Jokes on them, all the dead get raised by the mobile sacrificial van and continue to fight for mother Russia.[/QUOTE]

The Ukraine War just went full Wolfenstein...

[NeverGoWest]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47808357]To be honest it's pretty metal.

Somebody gets to drive the burning corpse wagon.[/QUOTE]

Mobile Crematorium - Casting the necrotic flesh of our fallen comrades into the flaming furnaces of grim fiery oblivion (Full Album] [HQ] + Japanese Bonus tracks "Impaling ukrainian bandits on bayonets" and "sukka blyat(a nu chiki briki iv damke)"

Pay an extra 5 roubles and you get the collectors edition which features a black metal cover of March of the Siberian Riflemen

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47809077]I've seen a Russian band named "Satan bakes pancakes".

Like, cmon.[/QUOTE]

Ya but in Russian everything sounds harsh

[editline]27th May 2015[/editline]

[QUOTE=archival;47812349]
Go to the Ukraine channel and its just a fling war of "oh the russians are nazis" and "oh the ukrainians are nazis"[/QUOTE]
What is it with eastern Europe and calling each other Nazis and fascists anyways, the communists across the globe have objectively killed more people for the same reasons the Nazis did, but anyways it just seems overused

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=damnatus;47808720]While the story is true, this picture is horribly photoshopped[/QUOTE]

The trucks they actually used were just cargo trucks with a tarp thrown over the storage area and sealed with a hose pumping in the exhaust fumes. They'd have a driver drive around for a few minutes till everyone inside was dead. The Nazi's quit using this method because it took too long, couldn't kill fast enough, used up too much fuel, and gave drivers PTSD.

[TornadoAP]

[QUOTE=Sableye;47813374]Ya but in Russian everything sounds harsh

[editline]27th May 2015[/editline]

What is it with eastern Europe and calling each other Nazis and fascists anyways, the communists across the globe have objectively killed more people for the same reasons the Nazis did, but anyways it just seems overused[/QUOTE]

The USSR really fueled up anti-nazism in it's time.

[Tidusete]

Poor russian soldiers, getting fucked by the upper echelons since ancient times. Now they аre denying them even the much feared груз-200.