[quote]DENVER — Gun-rights activists in Colorado turned in petition signatures Monday to set up the first recall in state history of a state lawmaker after he backed some of the strictest gun control measures to become law in the U.S. this year.The opponents of Democratic Senate President John Morse said they turned in twice as many signatures as needed Monday to put Morse back on the ballot. Carting white paper boxes of petitions, the gun-rights advocates said Morse will pay for backing a series of gun control measures that were signed into law earlier this year.[/quote]
[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/03/recall-looms-for-gun-cont_0_n_3380602.html[/URL]
Maybe this will actually encourage more people to get into politics.
[quote]Even if he loses his seat, Morse said, the gun measures were too important not to adopt after a bloody 2012. He insisted that he's never aspired to another office and wouldn't mind losing his political career over the gun bills.[/quote]
At least the senator has some fucking balls and isnt afraid for what he believes in. Even if it costs him his job.
I don't think a representative should be ignoring and actively legislating against the interests of his constituents so a recall vote seems fine to me.
The more surprising thing I think is the fact that it's the first one in the history of Colorado. Has no state rep ever done something more egregious than gun control? Single issue voters are weird.
will america guns forever
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40896113]I don't think a representative should be ignoring and actively legislating against the interests of his constituents so a recall vote seems fine to me. [/QUOTE]
If every representative voted only in the interests of their constituency, even more nothing would happen.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;40896193]If every representative voted only in the interests of their constituency, even more nothing would happen.[/QUOTE]
Things would happen, but it would be tyranny of the majority.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;40896616]Things would happen, but it would be tyranny of the majority.[/QUOTE]
The whole point of elections is to elect people that will represent a similar viewpoint to your own in the Senate / Congress. It's not to elect someone that has nothing in common with your ideals and does the exact opposite of what you want happening.
Ban guns based on a few isolated incidents?
Why not ban food also because thousands of people die yearly from food poisoning?
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;40896750]
Why not ban food also because thousands of people die yearly from food poisoning?[/QUOTE]
Food is (generally) heavily regulated in the United States.
If my name was John Morse, I would call my political platform "The Morse Code."
This isn't going to do anything. A (very vocal) minority can trigger a recall vote, but that doesn't mean everybody will suddenly change their minds to vote him out.
Heck, I'd imagine most voters will be confused when ballot time comes and just not answer. I was an election judge last election, and I remember answering lots of questions in the area of "what happens if I don't vote for or against this person?".
I'm glad people are holding representatives accountable.
Spoilers:
The likelihood of him actually being recalled is extremely slim.
Triggering a recall election is simple. Voting him out is hard.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40896858]Food is (generally) heavily regulated in the United States.[/QUOTE]
No amount of regulation guarantees anything, whether it be food quality or anything else.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;40896750]Why not ban food also because thousands of people die yearly from food poisoning?[/QUOTE]
food is way more heavily regulated than guns.
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=bohb;40900082]No amount of regulation guarantees anything, whether it be food quality or anything else.[/QUOTE]
nah but it does a pretty damn good job of eliminating massive outbreaks of e coli, salmonella, hepatitis a, and a fun thing called dysentery
[QUOTE=bohb;40900082]No amount of regulation guarantees anything, whether it be food quality or anything else.[/QUOTE]
Actually a fun note; it's against the law in the United States to sell wild game meat.
Compare this to most places in the world, and even in places like England, the sale and consumption of wild game meat isn't all that abnormal.
Another fun note on the same topic... Did you know the little snippet from the National Firearms Act of 1934 about suppressors was never about shooting another human being? It was actually added to stop poachers from destroying US Habitats and to ensure "fair chances" when hunting stuff like deer, rabbits, and otherwise. Said poachers(and capitalist in general) would usually cause massive breakouts of certain diseases and alignments because of the lack of medical study of wildgame, and it's cheapness and availability to the general public wasn't helping certain species. Sorta why the Passenger Pigeon is extinct now.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;40896750]
Why not ban food also because thousands of people die yearly from food poisoning?[/QUOTE]
Marijuana kills less people than guns yet that's banned
[QUOTE=areolop;40896059]At least the senator has some fucking balls and isnt afraid for what he believes in. Even if it costs him his job.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if only we had more arrogant government officials abusing their power to push unconstitutional laws at the express disapproval of their constituents just because it aligns with their personal worldview that's not supported by statistical fact.
Just gotta appreciate the [I]spine[/I] on that man for standing up for what he (wrongly) believes in (and the people he's supposed to represent don't).
This isn't some noble project lead at at a video game developer standing up against anti-consumer practices being pushed by the publisher. It's a legal representative [I]not doing his job[/I] (representing the wishes of those who elected him).
Eh, everybody thought Scott Walker was going to be recalled based on opposition outrage over one issue, and look how it turned out. A bunch of pissed-off people's signatures do not make a recall.
Morse was elected by a slim margin in a very conservative part of the state. It's quite likely he could be replaced.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;40905071]Marijuana kills less people than guns yet that's banned[/QUOTE]
It's banned for good reasons.
The biggest reason is that it turns your brain to mush. I know several people that have smoked it for well over a decade and their mental capacity over that time has steadily declined. They aren't as sharp as they once were and their short term memory is completely destroyed. They can't remember things, even if they're told a dozen times. It's sad to watch someone that was bright and had a good future turn into an equivalent advanced ALS patient by the time they're 30.
And it isn't some benign drug, it causes real problems in society. People that are high do stupid shit that not only harms themselves, but harms others. There are plenty of cases of people getting high, and driving around while high and either seriously injuring someone or killing someone, often without even remembering what happened.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;40906476]It's banned for good reasons.
The biggest reason is that it turns your brain to mush. I know several people that have smoked it for well over a decade and their mental capacity over that time has steadily declined. They aren't as sharp as they once were and their short term memory is completely destroyed. They can't remember things, even if they're told a dozen times. It's sad to watch someone that was bright and had a good future turn into an equivalent advanced ALS patient by the time they're 30.
And it isn't some benign drug, it causes real problems in society. People that are high do stupid shit that not only harms themselves, but harms others. There are plenty of cases of people getting high, and driving around while high and either seriously injuring someone or killing someone, often without even remembering what happened.[/QUOTE]
1. Moderation
1a. It's a hell of a lot better for you than tobacco or alcohol
2. norml.org/library/item/cannabis-and-driving-a-scientific-and-rational-review
Nah though
Not to turn this into a marijuana debate at all, but your #2 source's tagline is "Working to reform marijuana laws"
Might as well cite fox news on political statement
Bumping: Today is the day!
[quote](Reuters) - Two Colorado state lawmakers who supported tougher gun control laws following the shooting massacre at a movie theater last year face recall elections on Tuesday, with legislators across the country on both sides of the debate awaiting the outcome.
The recall races, the first in Colorado history, are part of a national debate over gun control that so far has resulted in few new laws being passed. If the recalls succeed, they could have a chilling effect on lawmakers throughout the country the next time they vote on gun control measures.
The recall targets the president of the state senate, Democrat John Morse of Colorado Springs, who helped lead efforts to ban ammunition magazines with more than 15 rounds and to require background checks for private gun sales and transfers in the state.
Democrat Angela Giron of Pueblo also faces a recall in races that have seen a blistering campaign of negative ads from both sides. Polls open at 7 a.m. local time, although early voting began on Monday.
The gun control measures were passed after 12 people were killed and 58 injured in a rampage at a Denver suburban movie theater that police said was carried out by a 24-year-old graduate student armed with an assault rifle, a shotgun and a pistol.
Gun rights advocates sought the elections as a way to send a political message to current and future legislators that the bills had gone too far with efforts to curb firearm access. Opponents view the recall effort as a bullying tactic.
Morse's Republican opponent, former Colorado Springs Councilman Bernie Herpin, said it was Morse's own "unresponsiveness" to constituents on gun control and other issues that prompted the recall effort.
"When you (have) 10,000 valid signatures on a recall petition, that's a powerful message," Herpin said.[/quote]
[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/10/us-usa-colorado-election-idUSBRE9890D320130910]Reuters[/url]
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