• Putin calls internet a 'CIA project' renewing fears of web breakup
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[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/vladimir-putin-web-breakup-internet-cia[/url] [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/4/24/1398366234590/Vladimir-Putin-at-media-f-009.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Vladimir Putin at media forum in St Petersburg. The Russian president has long hinted that he wants a Russian-run alternative to the internet. Photograph: Mikhail Klimentiev/Ria Novosti/EPA[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Vladimir Putin gave his clearest signal yet that he aims to break up the global nature of the internet when he branded the network a "CIA project" on Thursday. The Russian president told a media conference in St Petersburg that America's overseas espionage agency had originally set up the internet and was continuing to develop it. Putin has long hinted that he wants a Russian-run alternative. The idea of breaking up the internet has gained ground in Germany, Brazil and elsewhere round the world in the light of the revelations by whistleblower Edward Snowden about the extent to which the US National Security Agency has infiltrated Facebook, Skype and other social media. Snowden's critics say that an unintended consequences of his revelations has been to undermine the global nature of the web as well as playing into the hands of dictators. His supporters counter that it is the NSA rather than Snowden that has damaged trust in the service. During a recent national televised question and answer session, Putin batted away a question from Snowden – who won temporary asylum in Russia after having his US passport revoked – about whether Russia also intercepted and stored communications harvested from the internet, as the US did. "I hope we don't do that," he said to applause from the studio audience. "We don't have as much money as they do in the US."[/QUOTE]
Does this mean I could finally enjoy playing Dota 2?
What was Snowden doing there, and why was he lobbing such an easy question?
I wouldn't mind. Mesh networking etc.
Well if Russia does try and make its own system its going to face major issues. First of all is the issue of all this infrastructure and I'm not sure if telcos will be happy potentially having to invest and install all this new equipment. Second is the OS support, makers will have to include support this new stack of standards and I'm not sure if they would want to implement something that may have the intention of trying to isolate people from the wider world so your left with people having to install an implementation of this new standard onto the OS which is inconvenient compared to having something that is built in and just works out of the box.
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[QUOTE=MasterFen006;44679407]Does this mean I could finally enjoy playing Dota 2?[/QUOTE] You still got Brazil man, sorry.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;44679926]Well if Russia does try and make its own system its going to face major issues. First of all is the issue of all this infrastructure and I'm not sure if telcos will be happy potentially having to invest and install all this new equipment. Second is the OS support, makers will have to include support this new stack of standards and I'm not sure if they would want to implement something that may have the intention of trying to isolate people from the wider world so your left with people having to install an implementation of this new standard onto the OS which is inconvenient compared to having something that is built in and just works out of the box.[/QUOTE] They don't exactly have to drop the entire current Internet Protocol to isolate themselves from the reach of NSA and such. Of curse NSA will be able to infiltrate the network eventually but building everything from the floor up wouldn't stop them anyway, and even keeping the old standards and infrastructure, just ensuringNSA won't have a privileged position in the network will help a lot.
[QUOTE=minilandstan;44680033]You still got Brazil man, sorry.[/QUOTE] Maybe we can convince all of South America to do the same thing over a dispute over the Falklands.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;44679926]Well if Russia does try and make its own system its going to face major issues. First of all is the issue of all this infrastructure and I'm not sure if telcos will be happy potentially having to invest and install all this new equipment. Second is the OS support, makers will have to include support this new stack of standards and I'm not sure if they would want to implement something that may have the intention of trying to isolate people from the wider world so your left with people having to install an implementation of this new standard onto the OS which is inconvenient compared to having something that is built in and just works out of the box.[/QUOTE] As far as i know, he's not going to ban a civil internet, he just wants to have an alternative for the millitary/security agencies/etc. He's not that dumb to fully restrict access to the internet.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;44679926]Well if Russia does try and make its own system its going to face major issues. First of all is the issue of all this infrastructure and I'm not sure if telcos will be happy potentially having to invest and install all this new equipment. Second is the OS support, makers will have to include support this new stack of standards and I'm not sure if they would want to implement something that may have the intention of trying to isolate people from the wider world so your left with people having to install an implementation of this new standard onto the OS which is inconvenient compared to having something that is built in and just works out of the box.[/QUOTE] They could just go scuba diving and sever the geographic ties, or have all incoming/outgoing national data proxied and filtered. [QUOTE=antianan;44683372]As far as i know, he's not going to ban a civil internet, he just wants to have an alternative for the millitary/security agencies/etc. He's not that dumb to fully restrict access to the internet.[/QUOTE] If this is it, they can do the same with proxies and a VPN.
[QUOTE=Jookia;44683871] If this is it, they can do the same with proxies and a VPN.[/QUOTE] Dude. I work as a network engineer, and i know how many potential vulnerabilities these things have . Even onion routing with a good encription can't guarantee safety nowdays. So yeah, while i'm totally not a fan of Putin, i can say i agree with him in this very case.
[QUOTE=antianan;44685105]Dude. I work as a network engineer, and i know how many potential vulnerabilities these things have . Even onion routing with a good encription can't guarantee safety nowdays. So yeah, while i'm totally not a fan of Putin, i can say i agree with him in this very case.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't say Putin is just doing this right now? :tinfoil: Would the only benefit of this Russian internet be the U.S not being involved?
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44685401] Would the only benefit of this Russian internet be the U.S not being involved?[/QUOTE] Actually, yes. Safety of information is crucial nowdays, and us kind of literally controls the internet (read: it has a damn ocean of computing power and hosts 9 of 14 tear1's and 3 more is controlled by it's close allies). I know it's kind of paranoid, but being paranoid is better then to compromise secret data imo.
anyone else notice how all the pictures of Putin got super evil recently
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