Research SAYS? War on drugs is failing, and drugs are cheaper/more pure than any time in the last 20
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24342421[/URL]
[QUOTE][B]Illegal drugs are now cheaper and purer globally than at any time over the last 20 years, a report has warned.[/B]
The International Centre for Science in Drug Policy said its report suggested the war on drugs had failed.
The report, published in the British Medical Journal Open, looked at data from seven international government-funded drug surveillance systems.
Its researchers said it was time to consider drug use a public health issue rather than a criminal justice issue.
The seven drug surveillance systems the study looked at had at least 10 years of information on the price and purity of cannabis, cocaine and opiates, including heroin.
The report said street prices of drugs had fallen in real terms between 1990 and 2010, while their purity and potency had increased.
In Europe, for example, the average price of opiates and cocaine, adjusted for inflation and purity, decreased by 74% and 51% respectively between 1990 and 2010, the Vancouver-based centre said.
The report also found there had been a substantial increase in most parts of the world in the amount of cocaine, heroin and cannabis seized by law enforcement agencies since 1990.
Most national drug control strategies have focused on law enforcement to curb supply despite calls to explore other approaches, such as decriminalisation and strict legal regulation, it said.
It concluded: "These findings suggest that expanding efforts at controlling the global illegal drug market through law enforcement are failing."
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The Study:
[URL]http://www.icsdp.org/Libraries/doc1/All_Website_Full_Study.sflb.ashx[/URL]
The Backgrounder:
[URL]http://www.icsdp.org/Libraries/doc1/All_Website_Backgrounder_09_30_2230.sflb.ashx[/URL]
Website for Center:
[URL]http://www.icsdp.org/[/URL]
Obligatory Penn and Teller post.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u59-PoxbwE[/media]
Never really realized that drugs are stronger but cheaper, that does seem to be true.
That's what happens though. When you ban something, people find a way to make the best stuff easier to get and the criminals will become smarter about it.
in other news, water is wet and the grass is green.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;42363702]Never really realized that drugs are stronger but cheaper, that does seem to be true.
That's what happens though. When you ban something, people find a way to make the best stuff easier to get and the criminals will become smarter about it.[/QUOTE]
Theres also how the internet has become bigger.
Not sure if its true, but wouldnt surprise me if thats helped make it so people can share their secrets about producing higher quality drugs and reduce costs.
It also makes it so people can discuss what does and doesnt work, so rather than people trying different things, losing money, etc. they can just read up on whats tried and true.
Again, not sure if its true, but it makes sense to me
When it's so much easier for a kid to walk down the street to some dude's house and buy some drugs than it is for them to get alcohol and cigarettes, the war on drugs has failed in my book.
lol
I can buy basically any type of drug that I want, right now, by driving somewhere in my own town
What the fuck IS the 'war on drugs'? Pardon my ignorance, but it all just seems so fucking stupid..it's like we haven't learned from Prohibition that that shit just [B]doesn't work,[/B] ever.
say that to krokodil... very pure
Purer than ever? Walter White...
[QUOTE=shingda;42364644]lol
I can buy basically any type of drug that I want, right now, by driving somewhere in my own town
What the fuck IS the 'war on drugs'? Pardon my ignorance, but it all just seems so fucking stupid..it's like we haven't learned from Prohibition that that shit just [B]doesn't work,[/B] ever.[/QUOTE]
it seems like the war on drugs was created to send minorities to jail while simultaneously acting as scapegoat for why we need more prisons and creating racial tensions at the same time. prisons are essentially modern day slavery, and there's big money in them.
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the entire thing was based off of hysterics.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;42365269]say that to krokodil... very pure[/QUOTE]
Krokodil is homebrew, it is the equivalent of lowest quality bootleg moonshine right from the bathtub if alcohol wasn't an antiseptic..
[QUOTE=Pw0nageXD;42362668]Obligatory Penn and Teller post.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u59-PoxbwE[/media][/QUOTE]
Even though P&T have some good bits, I'd really be hesitant on going "look P&T said it, it's okay". It's mostly solid here, but I find P&T is pretty sketchy as a whole and not nearly as neutrally correct as they claim, but I guess it's all just about how strongly any given person voices their own opinion really.
[QUOTE=shingda;42364644]lol
I can buy basically any type of drug that I want, right now, by driving somewhere in my own town
What the fuck IS the 'war on drugs'? Pardon my ignorance, but it all just seems so fucking stupid..it's like we haven't learned from Prohibition that that shit just [B]doesn't work,[/B] ever.[/QUOTE]
The War on Drugs is basically a bunch of loosely connected government organizations that are basically trying to "starve out" the whole drug business. In theory law enforcement reduce supply while educational programs reduce demand, but neither side has had any serious results so far.
And the reason why Prohibition gets treated differently is because alcohol is considered a "high-class drug". Lots of wealthy people - including politicians - drank during prohibition (and still do today) so on top of causing crime to rise it was an inconvenience for just about everyone except to prohibitionists. This is also likely the reason why the government never tried to ban tobacco.
The drugs we have banned today, however, are scarcely used by the upper class. Most politicians have never used them (except maybe weed), don't know anybody who use them, and may not even know very much about them (see: the government's initial reaction to crack). As a result what they personally have to deal with as a result of the bans is crime which has been going on rather consistently for decades.
yeah yeah it's for entertainment etc etc
that's half the goal. the other half is to push a point. (this was supposed to merge)
[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;42364565]When it's so much easier for a kid to walk down the street to some dude's house and buy some drugs than it is for them to get alcohol and cigarettes, the war on drugs has failed in my book.[/QUOTE]
Kids can get literally any drug they want delivered to their doorstep, they don't even have to leave their house like they would have to for cigs and alcohol.
[editline]1st October 2013[/editline]
And it's called the silkroad
[QUOTE=Mbbird;42365388]Even though P&T have some good bits, I'd really be hesitant on going "look P&T said it, it's okay". It's mostly solid here, but I find P&T is pretty sketchy as a whole and not nearly as neutrally correct as they claim, but I guess it's all just about how strongly any given person voices their own opinion really.[/QUOTE]There was an interview with Teller back in 2007 where he said the final episode of the show was going to be him and Penn going back to previous episodes to talk about some of the bias they exhibited and criticisms that the they themselves had of the show. It was going to be about the "bullshit of the show Bullshit!"
Unfortunately the show was cancelled before the episode was made, would have been cool to see them tearing into themselves though.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;42365388]Even though P&T have some good bits, I'd really be hesitant on going "look P&T said it, it's okay". It's mostly solid here, but I find P&T is pretty sketchy as a whole and not nearly as neutrally correct as they claim, but I guess it's all just about how strongly any given person voices their own opinion really.[/QUOTE]
penn said in an episode that they aren't neutral. they never claimed to be neutral, they claimed to be biased but honest(as they could be).
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;42365269]say that to krokodil... very pure[/QUOTE]
Got to love the krokodil..
[graphic] [url]http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/russia-heroin-epidemic-leads-to-terrifying-new-drug-that-rots-the-user-graphic-images/[/url]
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;42363702]That's what happens though. When you ban something, people find a way to make the best stuff easier to get and the criminals will become smarter about it.[/QUOTE]
I can suddenly think of a lot of things that should be banned.
No drug dealer wants the war on drugs to end
because the war on drugs ironically makes them very very rich
Trevor summed it up in GTA5 pretty well when he was asked to support legalization of weed I thought
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42365818]penn said in an episode that they aren't neutral. they never claimed to be neutral, they claimed to be biased but honest(as they could be).[/QUOTE]
hell they even said in one episode that second hand smoke is not true, then after studies showed it was, they apologized for it.
[QUOTE=Pw0nageXD;42362668]Obligatory Penn and Teller post.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u59-PoxbwE[/media][/QUOTE]
Wow man.
Just, wow, GG international authorities, well played.
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;42366629]No drug dealer wants the war on drugs to end
because the war on drugs ironically makes them very very rich
Trevor summed it up in GTA5 pretty well when he was asked to support legalization of weed I thought[/QUOTE]
If weed was legal, you'd have a bunch of idiots growing male plants, your bud would end up getting cross pollinated from your neighbor or something. If marijuana was completely legal I think thatd be a bad thing.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42367110]If weed was legal, you'd have a bunch of idiots growing male plants, your bud would end up getting cross pollinated from your neighbor or something. If marijuana was completely legal I think thatd be a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
Or, you could just buy from licensed growers.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42365818]penn said in an episode that they aren't neutral. they never claimed to be neutral, they claimed to be biased but honest(as they could be).[/QUOTE]
Yeah I was trying to find a way to say that, since I recall that episode. I just mean to say that people shouldn't be tricked by their extraordinarily good persuasive skills, because while that is clearly their stance, the way things are stated are always stated in a very "haha look how stupid mainstream beliefs are, we're the reality" manner. In other words: loudly.
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And I should mention that manipulation of evidence, something they LOVE to do, is in some ways a feature of persuasive speech, but is definitely not honesty.
Thought prices would go up not down.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;42371667]Yeah I was trying to find a way to say that, since I recall that episode. I just mean to say that people shouldn't be tricked by their extraordinarily good persuasive skills, because while that is clearly their stance, the way things are stated are always stated in a very "haha look how stupid mainstream beliefs are, we're the reality" manner. In other words: loudly.
[editline]1st October 2013[/editline]
And I should mention that manipulation of evidence, something they LOVE to do, is in some ways a feature of persuasive speech, but is definitely not honesty.[/QUOTE]
It's not P&T's fault that a bunch of stupid things are believed in mainstream culture. In fact that's why they attack them in the first place because it's so pervasive in society.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;42366655]hell they even said in one episode that second hand smoke is not true, then after studies showed it was, they apologized for it.[/QUOTE]
I remember they actually said once that they wanted to do an episode where they went back and tore tons of holes into their past arguments for fun, but they didn't have the time or budget left to do it.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;42365396]The drugs we have banned today, however, are scarcely used by the upper class. Most politicians have never used them (except maybe weed), don't know anybody who use them.[/QUOTE]
Are you forgetting that cocaine is a thing?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42371721]It's not P&T's fault that a bunch of stupid things are believed in mainstream culture. In fact that's why they attack them in the first place because it's so pervasive in society.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that's not my point at all but P&T has been discussed to hell and back, and they're practically intentionally controversial, so no point continuing.
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