British Government facing Brexit defeat in House of Lords over EU nationals - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39123604"]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39123604[/URL] [QUOTE]Peers are debating calls for the UK to protect the rights of EU citizens to remain in the UK after Brexit amid signs the government could be defeated. Ministers say EU residents' status will be a priority once Brexit talks begin but opposition peers want a unilateral guarantee about their right to stay. Lib Dems in the House of Lords say they expect a "clear victory" in a vote on an amendment to the Brexit bill later. But Tory peer Lord Lawson said they were indulging in "virtue signalling". Should the amendment be passed, it would be the government's first defeat on the bill - which will give Theresa May the authority to trigger Article 50 and begin official talks on the terms of the UK's exit from the EU. If this happens, MPs could remove the Lords' proposed changes again when the bill moves back to the House of Commons later this month. Home Secretary Amber Rudd, who was among ministers watching Wednesday's debate in the Lords chamber, has sought to reassure peers about the government's intentions, saying the 3.2 million EU nationals in the UK made a vital contribution and would be treated with the "utmost respect". But she stopped short of offering a firm guarantee, saying this would not help the hundreds of thousands of UK citizens living on the continent as it could leave them in limbo if reciprocal assurances were not given by the 27 other member states. The amendment, which would guarantee the rights of all EU citizens lawfully living in the UK at the time of the UK's departure from the EU, has cross-party backing.[/QUOTE] Note that if the bill is defeated Brexit will still go ahead, it's just that the British House of Lords will amend it so that the rights of EU Nationals in Britain will be guaranteed.

The aristocracy gets a 'fuck yes' from me on this one. Slightly making me a hypocrite for complaining about the unelected government. But seriously, describing three million real people including some of my very close friends as 'bargaining chips' was sinister as fuck and the Government deserved this. TM and her poorly veiled xenophobia needs to be taken down a peg.

Brexit is just an absolute wreck. They ought to just give it up and say "we fucked up, we're staying."

Action list to fix UK: -Kick out Theresa May -Cancel Brexit -Remove Digital Economy Act & Snooper's Charter. -Lower University Costs -Free trade with US?

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;51894420]Brexit is just an absolute wreck. They ought to just give it up and say "we fucked up, we're staying."[/QUOTE] I don't see the point in doing that. By leaving, it may leave us with an uncertain future, but it's worth the risk when you consider that by turning around and saying you are staying, that it would be much worse. While I voted remain, I feel like leaving is the best option following the vote, purely because of how it would affect confidence in both the government and the market if we remained.

[QUOTE=James xX;51894504]I don't see the point in doing that. By leaving, it may leave us with an uncertain future, but it's worth the risk when you consider that by turning around and saying you are staying, that it would be much worse. While I voted remain, I feel like leaving is the best option following the vote, purely because of how it would affect confidence in both the government and the market if we remained.[/QUOTE] The markets are going to be far worse post-Brexit than if we remain though, since 9 out of 10 companies are admitting they will be negatively affected. Remember the post-referendum fall of the pound? That was simply at the mere suggestion that we might be Brexiting. Now just imagine how apocalyptically bad for our economy the actual thing will be. And a lack of confidence in our predominantly Tory-led parliament? My heart bleeds for the aristocratic fucks.

I'm still wondering what is going to happen with Scottish universities - a couple of my friends are international students and have no real idea what is going to happen.

[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;51894520]I'm still wondering what is going to happen with Scottish universities - a couple of my friends are international students and have no real idea what is going to happen.[/QUOTE] Everything is just a big "???", my girlfriend is one of the many EU nationals seeking to get their Permanent Residencies sorted before the UK finally pulls the trigger on the loaded gun its enthusiastically sticking in its mouth.

This is such a fuck up. Luckily my mother is already a British citizen but we have relatives from Germany who work in the UK and they are understandably pretty concerned right now.

Wait does this mean 256 turds voted against guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in the UK? Fucking disgusting

what ever came of that plan for individual British people to keep their EU citizenship if they want to? i have a feeling some EU negotiators floated the idea a while ago

[QUOTE=Cone;51894711]what ever came of that plan for individual British people to keep their EU citizenship if they want to? i have a feeling some EU negotiators floated the idea a while ago[/QUOTE] Yeah they said they'd bring that up during Art.50 negotiations but since negotiations haven't started both sides can't take what the other says for granted yet.

[QUOTE][B][U]Theresa May defeated by House of Lords over EU citizens' rights by 358 to 256[/U][/B] [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/01/brexit-lords-vote-debate-theresa-may-pmqs-live/[/url]

The bill shouldn't have gotten this far if it's so vague on such an important issue, makes you wonder what else is being glanced over or ignored

[QUOTE=Tacooo;51894922]The bill shouldn't have gotten this far if it's so vague on such an important issue, makes you wonder what else is being [b]glanced over[/b] or ignored[/QUOTE] Brexit for one thing :v:

When the non-elected are smarter than the 'elected'.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;51894516]The markets are going to be far worse post-Brexit than if we remain though, since 9 out of 10 companies are admitting they will be negatively affected. Remember the post-referendum fall of the pound? That was simply at the mere suggestion that we might be Brexiting. Now just imagine how apocalyptically bad for our economy the actual thing will be. And a lack of confidence in our predominantly Tory-led parliament? My heart bleeds for the aristocratic fucks.[/QUOTE] Not going through with it will hurt more and have even longer lasting effects. Sure, the markets may be better, but you remove the public's confidence in government and will upset even more people just on the idea of going against a democratic vote. Flow on effects will probably include binding future referendums which will fuck over the UK eventually. Brexit must be completed, and the UK will be fine.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;51894988]but you remove the public's confidence in government [/QUOTE] People in the UK don't really hold confidence in their government as it is :v: It wouldn't really change anything in that regard.

[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;51895045]People in the UK don't really hold confidence in their government as it is :v: It wouldn't really change anything in that regard.[/QUOTE] A lot of countries don't really hold confidence in their government these days, but no need to take what little trust and throw it in the dirt, especially surrounding a referendum.

And the Bremoanians from their quicksand pit look up and see a dim bit of light silhouetting the branch of hope before it snaps and drowns with them.

[QUOTE=Jon27;51894417]The aristocracy gets a 'fuck yes' from me on this one. Slightly making me a hypocrite for complaining about the unelected government.[/QUOTE] The Lords being full of experts in all sorts of fields helps make them more discerning than MPs in the Commons. Their role as a scrutiny body is far more effective.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;51895157]A lot of countries don't really hold confidence in their government these days, but no need to take what little trust and throw it in the dirt, especially surrounding a referendum.[/QUOTE] When the vote was stupid black/white in the first place, and the leave campaign used borderline illegal dirty tactics, it would only be sane to say "shit, we fucked up, abort"

[QUOTE=Meester;51895363]And the Bremoanians from their quicksand pit look up and see a dim bit of light silhouetting the branch of hope before it snaps and drowns with them.[/QUOTE] did remainers kill your dog or something?

[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;51894500]Action list to fix UK: -Remove the Conservative Party -Cancel Brexit -Remove Digital Economy Act & Snooper's Charter. -Lower University Costs -Free trade with US?[/QUOTE] FTFY Also, the [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39133400"]Government were defeated by a vote of 358 to 256.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Meester;51895363]And the Bremoanians from their quicksand pit look up and see a dim bit of light silhouetting the branch of hope before it snaps and drowns with them.[/QUOTE] Good grief what an embarrassing post, back to the Daily Mail comments section with you.

[QUOTE=Meester;51895363]And the Bremoanians from their quicksand pit look up and see a dim bit of light silhouetting the branch of hope before it snaps and drowns with them.[/QUOTE] What a fantastic and reasonable argument for why 3 million lives should be used as bargaining chips (including my girlfriend), please tell me more.

[QUOTE=r0b0tsquid;51896261]What a fantastic and reasonable argument for why 3 million lives should be used as bargaining chips (including my girlfriend), please tell me more.[/QUOTE] Playing poker without chips means you have lost. Anyway to paraphrase one of the Lords who voted Remain on the Conservative side who was initially for EU nationals to get automatic right to stay, the fact is that the EU [or more precisely choice members of the EU] has not reciprocated the actions that we intend to convey. Germany and France have refused to accept British workers rights to stay after they arrived at a certain period while all the other countries in the EU said yes. Simple. [QUOTE=nuttyboffin;51894500] Kick out Theresa May [/QUOTE] You are welcome to try in 2020, after Brexit has been enacted. Corbyn will make a fine PM Im sure because there is hell's chance Farron will ever get to be PM. [QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;51895534]did remainers kill your dog or something?[/QUOTE] No but seeing them slowly putdown [at least the more extreme and hypocritical ones] will keep me entertained for the rest of my life.

[QUOTE=Meester;51895363]And the Bremoanians from their quicksand pit look up and see a dim bit of light silhouetting the branch of hope before it snaps and drowns with them.[/QUOTE] It bugs me that people can be this embarrassingly spiteful and childish about real world political issues. "Think of all the people whose lives could be completely up-ended for this moronic political statement" [i]"Hahaha! You disagree with me politically therefore your anguish sustains meeeeee!"[/i]

[QUOTE=fulgrim;51896856]It bugs me that people can be this embarrassingly spiteful and childish about real world political issues. "Think of all the people whose lives could be completely up-ended for this moronic political statement" [i]"Hahaha! You disagree with me politically therefore your anguish sustains meeeeee!"[/i][/QUOTE] The way I see it is the fact I work in a food factory that supplies products for many large chains and the bulk (i.e. 90%) of the employees are EU nationals would be majorly affected if EU citizens lost their right to work here simply because we wouldn't have the staff to be able to produce anything. In the production area there are maybe 10 british citizens on my shift, the rest are immigrants. Then when the company ends up going bust because it has no staff to make anything (we have so few brits because most brits don't want living wage blue collar jobs and would rather sit on benefits) and that rolls onto the companies we produce for the public will complain and cry foul and you can bet they'll blame it on "immigration".

Good job idiots, the shit you voted on to fix "immigration", now can't actually fix immigration. What's left on the "why Brexit must happen" front, some bullshit about sovereignty and conspiracy theorist "globalist" crap?