Tensions High In Ireland - Belfast Orange Day Rioting Has Caused Over 30+ Police Casualties. Britain - Polidicks

[QUOTE][IMG]http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/topstory/mritems/Images/2013/7/13/2013713234434986734_20.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2013/7/13/2013713234749802734_20.jpg[/IMG] Hundreds of police reinforcements from Britain were deployed on Belfast's rubble-strewn streets after Protestant riots over a blocked march left 32 officers, a senior politician and at least eight rioters wounded. Police came under attack on Friday from petrol bombs, fireworks, stones and bottles and responding with water cannon during six hours of street battles. On Saturday, 400 additional officers were deployed to Northern Ireland as violence continues to flare in the already strained country. The protests, which have lasted for two nights so far, are around the traditional Orange Day parade, held on July 12. One police officer was engulfed in flames when struck by a petrol bomb, but it was quickly extinguished by colleagues. The officer remained on duty after being examined by medical personnel, a spokesman said. Thousands of pro-British Protestants march every summer in the British province, a regular flashpoint for sectarian violence as Catholics, many of whom favour unification with Ireland, see the parades as a provocation. Violence between the two religious groups still sometimes ignites since a peace deal was signed in 1998, which largely ended three decades of strife. Much of Belfast remains divided along religious and nationalist lines. The Orange Order organises marches to mark the 1690 victory at the Battle of the Boyne by Protestant Prince William of Orange over Catholic King James of England. The Order was angered this year when authorities ruled they could not walk along a stretch of road that divides the two communities in the majority Catholic district of Ardoyne, one of the most troubled areas of Belfast. Police enforced the order by blocking their parade route with seven armoured vehicles. This decision sparked violence on Friday evening, after tens of thousands of Orange Order marchers, wearing orange sashes and waving British flags, paraded at more than a dozen venues across Northern Ireland. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/07/201371323395964400.html[/URL]

Jeez, in Belfast the Riot casualty statistics are upside down as far as Protesters VS Cops. Them Irish don't fuck around.

This happens every time someone marches, in other northern Irish towns too. Nothing very new or shocking at all. Obviously there's a lot more tension in Belfast (being the capital n all) it's pretty much split down the middle between Catholic's and Prodestant's fighting and holding grudges. It's getting better but as long as parents keep teaching their kids the same old shit from birth this is not going to change. Such is life in Northern Ireland. [b]Edit:[/b] Oh, and bombs.

I was working in Belfast last week and left on the 11th, looks like it was just in time. Its a shame there are still tensions but personally I dont think its about Catholic vs Protestant at all anymore, more about the flag waving and history being passed down onto impressionable teenagers. However I think the decision to block the parade from going through a Nationalist estate was a right one, it was the Orange Order who purposely provoked riots by calling on demonstrations against the decision and marched all the way up to the police line on purpose. I dont see any nationalists rioting like they have done in previous years, maybe because they werent being penned into their own houses by the police like cattle.

[quote]One police officer was engulfed in flames when struck by a petrol bomb, but it was quickly extinguished by colleagues. The officer remained on duty after being examined by medical personnel, a spokesman said. [/quote] Holy shit what a badass

Honestly marches should be banned, cause all they do is serve to get cunts riled up, that goes for marches on both sides.

Ban the fucking orange walks, they cause nothing but trouble.

[QUOTE=bravehat;41452514]Honestly marches should be banned, cause all they do is serve to get cunts riled up, that goes for marches on both sides.[/QUOTE] You ban the marches, they'll riot instead or protest illegally. They're trying to walk a difficult fine line.

[QUOTE=bravehat;41452514]Honestly marches should be banned, cause all they do is serve to get cunts riled up, that goes for marches on both sides.[/QUOTE] that would make things even worse both sides manage to march peacefully in Derry, we just need more education

[QUOTE=bravehat;41452514]Honestly marches should be banned, cause all they do is serve to get cunts riled up, that goes for marches on both sides.[/QUOTE] the orange walks march through mainly catholic areas [I]trying[/I] to start a fucking fight.

[QUOTE=bravehat;41452514]Honestly marches should be banned, cause all they do is serve to get cunts riled up, that goes for marches on both sides.[/QUOTE] if you ban marching then it could backfire and mobilize a ton more people to actually get involved. everyone likes to feel like their side is a victim and the more victimized they feel the more likely they are to take direct action; whether the action is peaceful, violent, harmful, or helpful. i think the government using a more gentle hand in these affairs has tended to minimize the amount of overall violence.

Fleg

It's a lot less to do with 'protestants' and 'catholics' than it has to do with unionists and nationalists, a lot of these people are barely religious and are only fighting because it's all they've been taught to do when provoked in cases like this

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41453894]It's a lot less to do with 'protestants' and 'catholics' than is has to do with unionists and nationalists, a lot of these people are barely religious and are only fighting because it's all they've been taught to do when provoked in cases like this[/QUOTE] but its hard to deny that the conflicts Ireland and NI are distinctly sectarian.

is there any economic advantage of keeping Northern Ireland in the UK? edit: gosh sorry for asking a question

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41454012]but its hard to deny that the conflicts Ireland and NI are distinctly sectarian.[/QUOTE] That's why I said 'a lot less' and not 'not anything to do with'

[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;41454338]is there any economic advantage of keeping Northern Ireland in the UK?[/QUOTE] northern ireland wants to remain as part of the UK that's reason enough for them to remain

[QUOTE=bravehat;41452514]Honestly marches should be banned, cause all they do is serve to get cunts riled up, that goes for marches on both sides.[/QUOTE] Banning General Assembly is usually two or three steps away from lining trouble makers against the wall. After all, what if they march without your consent? Will you jail a thousand people? Five thousand? A quarter of the town's population? Lukashenko (Belorussia, the 'last western dictator') tried to ban marches and protests. The protesters just began having stand-ins. They would silently stand around, doing average shit like eating ice creams or making meaningless noise now and then. In no way were they assembled, in no way were they marching, protesting or organizing. They were just people who happened to be standing in one particular place. Lukashenko had to break it up by having plain clothes police take random stand-inners away, beat them senseless, and then dump them back in the crowd as examples. This really won't solve the issue in Ireland, where the IRA was only recently disarmed by it's own volition.

thread title says 30+ casualties? al-jazeera makes no mention, and the guardian says 39 injured, no casualties. where are you getting this number, Raserisk?

[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;41454338]is there any economic advantage of keeping Northern Ireland in the UK?[/QUOTE] A lot of them want to stay in the union.

[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;41454338]is there any economic advantage of keeping Northern Ireland in the UK?[/QUOTE] If we just decided to give NI to Ireland it would be like the Troubles in reverse, all the loyalists would suddenly arm themselves and fight back and the Irish army would get involved and blah blah blah so the violence continues

We live in a fucking terrible place

[video=youtube;qLo7z50Tt2g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo7z50Tt2g[/video] Take a look where you're livin' You got the Army on the street And the RUC dog of repression Is barking at your feet Is this the kind of place you wanna live? Is this were you wanna be? Is this the only life we're gonna have? What we need is

[QUOTE=willtheoct;41454458]thread title says 30+ casualties? al-jazeera makes no mention, and the guardian says 39 injured, no casualties. where are you getting this number, Raserisk?[/QUOTE] Injuries still count as casualties

[QUOTE=willtheoct;41454458]thread title says 30+ casualties? al-jazeera makes no mention, and the guardian says 39 injured, no casualties. where are you getting this number, Raserisk?[/QUOTE] casualty refers to anyone who is rendered unfit for service in the military/law enforcement, whether temporarily or permanently. 39 injuries could be 39 "casualties" if the injuries were severe enough to inhibit their ability to perform their job.

I would love to see a pride parade go through Ireland.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41455076]I would love to see a pride parade go through Ireland.[/QUOTE] it would be fine as long as it doesn't go through any major religious areas after all they would be protected

Uh, perhaps I got my definitions wrong but doesn't 'casualty' indicate death? 30 wounded isn't half as bad as 30 dead

[QUOTE=demoguy08;41455603]Uh, perhaps I got my definitions wrong but doesn't 'casualty' indicate death? 30 wounded isn't half as bad as 30 dead[/QUOTE] casualty basically just means that the person was rendered unfit for service. someone dying is obviously a casualty, but so would someone breaking their leg. the captured and deserters are also considered casualties. there are many different types. if you cannot perform your duties, then you are listed as a casualty. [editline]14th July 2013[/editline] it's just a way to designate manpower that was available at the beginning of the battle/campaign that isn't available anymore. for most intents and purposes, someone who deserts their post is as good as a dead person or someone with their legs blown off to military command; they aren't useful.

Fightin' for Muh British identity ;_; god bless the Queen.