In almost every thread I've read involving a suicide there has been people saying that commiting suicide makes you a coward while other people say that it takes a strong will to kill yourself. I am pretty on the fence about the whole issue since I don't know anyone who has killed themselves but a lot of people seem to have strong opinions on it.
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1133268[/url]
This is the most recent example of the kind of situation i'm talking about.
I believe the Netherlands have a working system, where the patient's fully tested over a longer peroid to see if it's the patient's actual wish, and not the voice of a depression or other.
It's your life, you should be able to make all the choices you want with it.
Legalizing it also prevents people from turning to other ways of killing themselfs, which can even result in ruining the lives of others.
I think the government should stay 100% out of suicide unless it's in the case of euthanasia, which is a different matter.
Outlawing suicide is pointless. The person is still going to kill themselves, and who are you going to punish when it happens?
I'm still not sure what I think about the assisted suicide part, though. I hear a couple states in the US allow it.
[QUOTE=Meloan;32849135]Outlawing suicide is pointless. The person is still going to kill themselves, and who are you going to punish when it happens?
I'm still not sure what I think about the assisted suicide part, though. I hear a couple states in the US allow it.[/QUOTE]
Illegal doesn't mean something you'll get punished for.
Illegal means forbidden by law.
[QUOTE=Coffee;32849202]Illegal doesn't mean something you'll get punished for.
Illegal means forbidden by law.[/QUOTE]
Stilly fairly pointless for suicide to be illegal.
[QUOTE=Coffee;32849202]Illegal doesn't mean something you'll get punished for.
Illegal means forbidden by law.[/QUOTE]
What is law without punishment?
[QUOTE=Coffee;32849202]Illegal doesn't mean something you'll get punished for.
Illegal means forbidden by law.[/QUOTE]
Forbidding suicide by law means jack shit. Are you going to put all failed suiciders in prison?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32849235]Stilly fairly pointless for suicide to be illegal.[/QUOTE]
It might help to discourage some people from doing it.
I think suicide is really dumb. Why would you kill yourself? Life is really awesome, you get to do things! If it is really that bad, you should see a psychologist, and they will be able to help you through your depression.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;32849521]I think suicide is really dumb. Why would you kill yourself? Life is really awesome, you get to do things! If it is really that bad, you should see a psychologist, and they will be able to help you through your depression.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone can work through depression or afford a psychologist or therapist.
I think making suicide illegal is pointless, although funny (what do they really expect it will do?). I do not however, agree with suicide at all. If things are that shitty that you want to kill yourself maybe you're not doing enough to fix it, or just not appreciating what you have. The OP's link to that case showed that the kid loved his parents and his friends (I think friends too if I read right), if you love your parents and I'm going to assume had a decent relationship with them, how can life really be that awful. Yeah kids are dicks, a lot of people are and there's a lot of things that happen that people don't want but killing yourself just guarantees shit won't get better. It's really stupid to kill yourself in my opinion (for most cases).
[QUOTE=squids_eye;32849413]It might help to discourage some people from doing it.[/QUOTE]
That's funny.
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[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;32849291]Forbidding suicide by law means jack shit. Are you going to put all failed suiciders in prison?[/QUOTE]
No, they will put them in a hospital.
I see it as weakness. If you're going to die, die with dignity, endure the pains and problems like a real person. Taking the easy way out, however mentally challenging it might be, is stupid.
At least for me, your bias may vary.
It should be illegal.
Those damn suicidal people, if they survive their attempts we should give them the lethal injection!
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Suicide should be punishable by, uh, cremation?
punishment for suicide
forced to live
[i]forever[/i]
[QUOTE=Meloan;32849135]Outlawing suicide is pointless. The person is still going to kill themselves, and who are you going to punish when it happens?
I'm still not sure what I think about the assisted suicide part, though. I hear a couple states in the US allow it.[/QUOTE]
If your 18+ and if nothing is found that would link to something causing it, Woop te do.
If you were 17 or younger, or a special needs person, Your Guardian could possibly be charged
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Theres no need for suicide.
Unless you know for a absolute fact that your going to die, you'll get over it eventually.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;32852340]If your 18+ and if nothing is found that would link to something causing it, Woop te do.
If you were 17 or younger, or a special needs person, Your Guardian could possibly be charged
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Theres no need for suicide.
Unless you know for a absolute fact that your going to die, you'll get over it eventually.[/QUOTE]
And yeah, that makes perfect sense to us, as non suicidal, rational people. It's the utter disconnect between us and those who are contemplating suicide that makes it such a hot button topic.
Suicide is incredibly selfish, because it leaves all of your issues behind for those who loved you, and it takes you out of the equation. That's not to say it's never been the right call. Like so many things in life, it's not a simple black and white issue like everyone would prefer it to be.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;32852770]And yeah, that makes perfect sense to us, as non suicidal, rational people. It's the utter disconnect between us and those who are contemplating suicide that makes it such a hot button topic.
Suicide is incredibly selfish, because it leaves all of your issues behind for those who loved you, and it takes you out of the equation. That's not to say it's never been the right call. Like so many things in life, it's not a simple black and white issue like everyone would prefer it to be.[/QUOTE]
Why did you just acknowledge the disconnect and then start running your mouth about how selfish it is
If someone kills themselves they aren't doing it for a selfish reason
But, even though not purposefully, they are being selfish.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;32849255]What is law without punishment?[/QUOTE]Isn't for insurance and stuff like that?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;32853575]Isn't for insurance and stuff like that?[/QUOTE]
Some people might be so obidient to the law, that it might be the reason.
I vaguely remember reading something about the people who lived few centuries ago. Back then, suicide was a greater sin than murder. So some people who wanted to kill themselves, killed some children, and then got executed for that.
Suicide can't be "illegal"
People are going to do it regardless, not one single fuck is given
If it's euthanasia, or something, then yes, it's acceptable and moral, but if it's not euthanasia it's the person's choice.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32852845]Why did you just acknowledge the disconnect and then start running your mouth about how selfish it is
If someone kills themselves they aren't doing it for a selfish reason[/QUOTE]
Because disconnect or not, and whether or not they do it for selfish reasons, it is ultimately a selfish act.
The japanese regarded suicide as an honorable thing to do when one was lost beyond hope. I agree with honorable, if you're honorbound by a code like that.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;32849413]It might help to discourage some people from doing it.[/QUOTE]And suffer the consequence when you're dead?
[QUOTE=Regulas021;32852770]And yeah, that makes perfect sense to us, as non suicidal, rational people. It's the utter disconnect between us and those who are contemplating suicide that makes it such a hot button topic.
Suicide is incredibly selfish, because it leaves all of your issues behind for those who loved you, and it takes you out of the equation. That's not to say it's never been the right call. Like so many things in life, it's not a simple black and white issue like everyone would prefer it to be.[/QUOTE]
It's also selfish to stop someone from killing themselves just because it'll make you sad
The law is pointless, someone will find a way to kill themselves even if they get arrested...
Other then that, I think it's a pretty bad option.
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