What the fuck???
Why don't they get deported already? These guys are nutjobs.
D-D-D-DEPORTATION :)
Seriously
These guys must realize they are able to voice the opinions by the grace of western democratic ideals?
If things were ever to become serious, as opposed to random terrorist attacks, they would get round up and put in jails, or worse, just straight up executed.
Muslims in the UK must be outraged at their extremists brothers and sisters to take such a huge shit on their country and creating a hostile environment for everyone involved.
[QUOTE=Benx303;50850148]What the fuck???
Why don't they get deported already? These guys are nutjobs.[/QUOTE]
It's a weird line to walk. Personal freedom versus "enemies" of the state.
[QUOTE=Aman;50850188]It's a weird line to walk. Personal freedom versus "enemies" of the state.[/QUOTE]
Tolerance for most things except against Intolerance.
The paradoxical ideal of Tolerance to tolerate intolerance will only leads to intolerance prevailing against tolerance and making it the norm for the intolerable to not tolerate the tolerable.
Channel 4 blocked it in the UK.
Anyone got a mirror?
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this made me sick
These are the people that need to be dragged out of their homes and "disappeared"
It kinda irks me that they let a guy with a little stool thing saying "discover islam" on the streets, and the guy has a very odd appearance to him.
Not saying all terrorists look like that or anything of the sort, but that guy just looked so stereotypicaly shady...
Did I hear it right? Shackles of freedom and democracy? What?
Muslims are so righteous because they fear their god as oppose to other religions
[QUOTE=morky;50850573]Muslims are so righteous because they fear their god as oppose to other religions[/QUOTE]
These radicals, at least, are just complete utter nuts.
They basicaly want to send the world back to medieval times.
How are people like this even able to function in the society of today?
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50850521]These are the people that need to be dragged out of their homes and "disappeared"[/QUOTE]
Are you saying we need to kill them, or is this your way of saying they need to be deported?
Shariah law will never take over democracy, because tyranny will always fall to freedom.
These men are shameful displays of their religion, their people, and their god and should be deported back to Syria or whatever place they come from.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50850903]Isn't Channel 4 British?[/QUOTE]
Yes, which makes it even funnier.
[QUOTE=Benx303;50850148]What the fuck???
Why don't they get deported already? These guys are nutjobs.[/QUOTE]
They were born in Great Britain, where would they go?
What I've noticed myself is that it's never the first generation of immigrants/refugees who are troublesome, they're just happy to be away from a war torn country or economic disaster.
The children of these immigrants usually feel no connection to the country they are born in because the local population doesn't think they're part of it(simply put, they're not white), and their family back 'home' doesn't consider them to be part of their culture either because they grew up in the west.
[QUOTE=Aman;50850188]It's a weird line to walk. Personal freedom versus "enemies" of the state.[/QUOTE]
It's not that it's weird, it's that nobody is willing to decisively say what's permitted and what's forbidden. The bad thing about Western democratic societies is that we tend to encourage too much relativism when it comes to the beliefs of others, and we have a bad habit of taking the stance that everybody should be allowed to do pretty much whatever they want. Whenever people start decisively outlining limits or so much as imply that there may need to be restrictions, they're usually shot down as this is an unpopular opinion. Although there's also the issue with the few knobheads that always want to take things too far in the name of "security". What's necessary from a moral and ethical standpoint is balance.
We don't have to be Stalinist Russia, but shit like this must absolutely be addressed. It's the great issue of our time; being silent about it accomplishes nothing, ignoring it does not make it go away, and passiveness/inaction/tolerance just allows it to propagate and continue without any or with only minor restrictions. [i]"It's against the law to support ISIS"[/i]. Alrighty. Why is it then that these people are still free? Why are they not on trial for treason/inciting terrorism/whatever? Why are they not in jail, or why have they not been executed? Enforce the fucking law. Punish them. They're infiltrating our societies, using our own democratic values against us, and they know it. This is clearly a problem. Do something about it.
And this isn't even a tirade against Muslims. My dad and his family are from Iran. They immigrated here to the United States in the 1970s just before the revolution and Khomeini came to power, and while they aren't very religious, they nevertheless acknowledge their Shia heritage. Which on that note, deportation is not going to fix this problem either-- all that will do is transfer it somewhere else. You'll send these people back home, they'll work to radicalize people back home, they'll organize new groups to carry on their rhetoric and incite violence, attacks and social dysfunction will continue here in the West. It's an endless cycle if you go that route. Learn from Iran's example; the greatest thing our king could've ever done would've been to have had Khomeini shot and killed when he had the chance instead of exiled and to have given his supporters the exact same treatment.
[editline]8th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50850983]They were born in Great Britain, where would they go?
What I've noticed myself is that it's never the first generation of immigrants/refugees who are troublesome, they're just happy to be away from a war torn country or economic disaster.
The children of these immigrants usually feel no connection to the country they are born in because the local population doesn't think they're part of it(simply put, they're not white), and their family back 'home' doesn't consider them to be part of their culture either because they grew up in the west.[/QUOTE]
Also this.
[QUOTE=Sheepaay;50850922]Yes, which makes it even funnier.[/QUOTE]
It's to make you use their own catch-up service, pretty shit though.
[editline]9th August 2016[/editline]
This documentary enrages me though, how can you be so calm over basically wanting to have sharia law.
Sharia Law over my dead body to be honest.
[QUOTE=Benx303;50850148]What the fuck???
Why don't they get deported already? These guys are nutjobs.[/QUOTE]
Deportation will not fix the problem. It will just relocate it elsewhere. It's exacerbated and misconstrued to be a "personal war" against all Muslims when things like this are discussed or considered but it is nothing of the sort.
Right now, society is in a state where nobody wants to hurt anybody's feelings. And that is bullshit. Tolerance is fine, being nice is fine, taking the moral high ground is fine, but there HAS to be a line drawn somewhere. Terrorism is terrorism and it doesn't matter what light you try to shine on it, it doesn't matter who speaks up against the claims and it doesn't matter what others say about it. In America it's treason to incite a terrorist rebellion against the government, which is exactly what's going on right now with all of these "religious groups" openly supporting ISIS. But it's not considered treason, it's not considered illegal, it's considered "free speech".
It's vastly different for groups like the Nazi party and the KKK because they have no real foundation to do anything serious. They're just there, they aren't actively doing anything to push their values further beyond their existing circles. There's no active recruiting to join up with the KKK, you just find it and sign up.
ISIS is a completely different level and they have proven they are actively recruiting and have enough numbers to be a serious threat. Yet nothing is really being done. Why? I don't understand it. If it's because of "tolerance" and "free speech" then it doesn't make any sense. If the upper echelons of government are worried about stepping on toes and pissing someone off, it doesn't fucking matter. They hate anything non-Muslim anyway so what difference does it make? They want to kill anything non-Muslim already. Arresting and trying them in court, deporting them, whatever, won't magically make them hate non-Muslims any more than they already do. It will just happen naturally because that's their entire mission in their lives.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;50851308]It's to make you use their own catch-up service, pretty shit though.
[editline]9th August 2016[/editline]
This documentary enrages me though, how can you be so calm over basically wanting to have sharia law.
Sharia Law over my dead body to be honest.[/QUOTE]
They think that all the outdated shit in the Quran about killing (if it even has that shit in it- for all I know they could have misread parts of the book) are relevant today/above the law and societal expectations because "It's what God wants".
Holy shit, this shit is like something from the movie "Four lions". What the hell...
I really hope someone rushes one of these fuckers with a bat and gives him free dental work
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[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50851734]I really hope someone rushes one of these fuckers with a bat and gives him free dental work[/QUOTE]
You're advocating murder right now.
It doesn't matter if the person is bad, murder is still murder.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50851744]You're advocating murder right now.
It doesn't matter if the person is bad, murder is still murder.[/QUOTE]
"i-if it's a bad person then it's okay though!"
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50851734]I really hope someone rushes one of these fuckers with a bat and gives him free dental work[/QUOTE]
Are you ever gonna stop advocating murder and violence on people? You need to get your head checked or rather you just need to grow up already.
It should be noted the people asking for Shariah Law in the UK are a microscopic minority in fact this could be the same group I've seen covered numerous times. Documentary makers love to spread the message these guys put out.
Literally every other Muslim in the country thinks these guys are idiots and savages the way people rightfully see EDL as a bunch of lunatic nationalists.
These people keep talking about how much they want to leave the country, why not let them? Everyone would be better off that way
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;50852930]These people keep talking about how much they want to leave the country, why not let them? Everyone would be better off that way[/QUOTE]
Would you rather have them in a large breeding ground for radicalization where they can say whatever they want, or would you rather have them in a modern state which will suppress their ability to get their message out?
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50851744]You're advocating murder right now.
It doesn't matter if the person is bad, murder is still murder.[/QUOTE]
Why are you so willing to attack someone who's just making a statement out of frustration? Get over yourself, he's literally just venting and you're throwing a fit like he's convincing a US General to activate a nuke.
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