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[quote]WORCESTER, Mass. — A woman said police and a SWAT team mistakenly raided her Worcester apartment and that she was frisked by an officer before being allowed to put clothes on.
Marianne Diaz told the Telegram & Gazette she awoke to state police detectives and a SWAT team breaking down her door on Wednesday morning.
The 23-year-old Diaz said she knelt with her frightened daughters beside her as police officers with shields pointed guns in her direction.
"Stop (expletive) crying and take care of your (expletive) kids," she claimed one officer told her.
[B]She said a female officer later frisked her even though she was naked. [I][U]Ten minutes[/U][/I] passed before she was allowed to cover herself up, she added.[/B]
Diaz's fiance, Bryant Alequin, said he suffered a minor back injury during the raid. Their roommate, Joshua Matos, said doctors told him his wrist — which had been recovering from a fracture — was refractured.
District Attorney Joseph Early said that state police acted on the "best intelligence" available — a search warrant filed by a trooper who said a trusted source told him that the intended suspect, "Mr. Jackson," resided at the apartment.[/quote]
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JUSTICE. WAS. SERVED. :terrists:
So why was she sexually assaulted? American police usually get an undeserved bad rep, but holy shit SWAT members seem to be fuckheads.
[QUOTE=Crimor;48544590]So why was she sexually assaulted? American police usually get an undeserved bad rep, but holy shit SWAT members seem to be fuckheads.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you know out of all the bullshit the current wave feminists are wrong about I wish they would focus their attention on the way police behave in america, they might actually have a point to make in there somewhere.
[QUOTE=Crimor;48544590]So why was she sexually assaulted? [B]American police usually get an undeserved bad rep, but holy shit SWAT members seem to be fuckheads.[/B][/QUOTE]
Because the majority of cops in this country can do basically whatever they want to with little to no repercussions for their actions.
[QUOTE=Crimor;48544590]So why was she sexually assaulted? American police usually get an undeserved bad rep, but holy shit SWAT members seem to be fuckheads.[/QUOTE]
I dont see any sexual assault here.
That is some sitcom level incompetence though
If this was the "best information" their "trusted informant" should get, then they should stop listening to that fucking informant from here on out.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48546176]I dont see any sexual assault here.
That is some sitcom level incompetence though[/QUOTE]
She was frisked while naked. What, was she hiding something under her skin?
SWAT should never be deployed for anything lower than an armed stand off, but for some reason they're being deployed for search warrants of all things. I wonder who you have to write and how many times to stop this from happening again.
[QUOTE=Last or First;48546431]If this was the "best information" their "trusted informant" should get, then they should stop listening to that fucking informant from here on out.
She was frisked while naked. What, was she hiding something under her skin?[/QUOTE]
Unless she was raped or any action with sexual implications were made it's not sexual assault.
Its what the procedure is like. It was done by a female officer too, so I guess the police officers did what they could to ease the situation.
I refuse to believe the officers wanted to cause any harm. They were given orders and acted on them, broke in expecting a fight. I dont understand why they didnt ask to open the door first (shouldn't they do it?).
I blame whoever gave the order to break in without any confirmation.
Like when some streamer gets swatted you dknt yell "Evil police doing what they want again!".
There is absolutely no reason to frisk a nude person, regardless if it was "done by the book".
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48546467]SWAT should never be deployed for anything lower than an armed stand off, but for some reason they're being deployed for search warrants of all things. I wonder who you have to write and how many times to stop this from happening again.[/QUOTE]
Something about wanting to get their monies worth and justify the budget probably.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48546474]Unless she was raped or any action with sexual implications were made it's not sexual assault.
Its what the procedure is like. It was done by a female officer too, so I guess the police officers did what they could to ease the situation.
I refuse to believe the officers wanted to cause any harm. They were given orders and acted on them, broke in expecting a fight. I dont understand why they didnt ask to open the door first (shouldn't they do it?).
I blame whoever gave the order to break in without any confirmation.
Like when some streamer gets swatted you dknt yell "Evil police doing what they want again!".[/QUOTE]
I don't think, you, as a third party, gets to define what is sexual assault and what is not based on entirely arbitrary terms.
Also, "ease" the situation? Maybe easing the situation would be not frisking someone who's naked and kneeling on the ground sobbing next to her kids. Maybe easing the situation would be realizing they raided the wrong apartment, and start actually treating the people inside with a little respect.
[QUOTE=plunger435;48546735]Something about wanting to get their monies worth and justify the budget probably.[/QUOTE]
That and it seems to me there are a lot of guys who want to play pretend special forces but didn't have the willpower or were too risk adverse to actually go join those units. I see a lot of obese guys on these teams now, and you have to wonder what standard, if any are they being held to?
There was a thread about this on a police forum, lots of these guys are even adopting special operations lingo like calling themselves "operators" and "assaulters", taking training courses in situations they will never face as police officers, which is all rather strange.
The original LAPD SWAT called themselves police officers....
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48546474]Unless she was raped or any action with sexual implications were made it's not sexual assault.
Its what the procedure is like. It was done by a female officer too, so I guess the police officers did what they could to ease the situation.
I refuse to believe the officers wanted to cause any harm. They were given orders and acted on them, broke in expecting a fight. I dont understand why they didnt ask to open the door first (shouldn't they do it?).
I blame whoever gave the order to break in without any confirmation.
Like when some streamer gets swatted you dknt yell "Evil police doing what they want again!".[/QUOTE]
How do you frisk a nude person though? The only place they could hide anything requires gloves.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48546474]Unless she was raped or any action with sexual implications were made it's not sexual assault.
Its what the procedure is like. It was done by a female officer too, so I guess the police officers did what they could to ease the situation.
I refuse to believe the officers wanted to cause any harm. They were given orders and acted on them, broke in expecting a fight. I dont understand why they didnt ask to open the door first (shouldn't they do it?).
I blame whoever gave the order to break in without any confirmation.
Like when some streamer gets swatted you dknt yell "Evil police doing what they want again!".[/QUOTE]
There doesn't have to be full on penetration for it to be sexual assault, rape and sexual assault are not the same term. It definitely does appear to be sexual assault to me, frisking someone when they're naked is a completely pointless exercise unless you think they're hiding something under their skin
I can't even imagine what stupid shit goes through these swat members heads.
*they breach the area, check out if everything is okay, find this family*
*Careful man, that crying naked lady next to her children might have a deadly weapon hidden under her armpit*
*yeah, better frisk her, by the book*
Such retarded shit.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48546474]Unless she was raped or any action with sexual implications were made it's not sexual assault.
Its what the procedure is like. It was done by a female officer too, so I guess the police officers did what they could to ease the situation.
I refuse to believe the officers wanted to cause any harm. They were given orders and acted on them, broke in expecting a fight. I dont understand why they didnt ask to open the door first (shouldn't they do it?).
I blame whoever gave the order to break in without any confirmation.
Like when some streamer gets swatted you dknt yell "Evil police doing what they want again!".[/QUOTE]
you have a very poor grasp of what sexual assault implicates. molesting someone is very much so sexual assault
[QUOTE=plunger435;48546735]Something about wanting to get their monies worth and justify the budget probably.[/QUOTE]
Basically this. If they never use any of it, they can't justify paying for a SWAT team and equipment. But if they don't have one and something happens, they have to sit and wait for 3-5 hours for the FBI to arrive with their SWAT team. If it's an active shooter scenario, they would have no choice but to send beat cops and risk officer casualties.
It's a Catch-22, they have them when they don't need them, or they don't have them when they do need them. Incidents are uncommon enough to justify not having them, but if it does happen it'll be worse. It's not 1920 where we just arm beat cops with automatics and send them in the direction of the threat.
[QUOTE=Elspin;48547535]There doesn't have to be full on penetration for it to be sexual assault, rape and sexual assault are not the same term. It definitely does appear to be sexual assault to me, frisking someone when they're naked is a completely pointless exercise unless you think they're hiding something under their skin[/QUOTE]
In most states and on the federal level there needs to be penetration for it to be rape. Also mucheck like in Canada it is defined as a crime only men can commit.
Why isn't there a government agency in charge of the USA police departments (over seeing these departments as well as handling legitimate complaints). I don't think they should be in charge of themselves and not that it's relevant to this post but they should all be wearing lapel cameras.
[QUOTE=Elspin;48547535]There doesn't have to be full on penetration for it to be sexual assault, rape and sexual assault are not the same term. It definitely does appear to be sexual assault to me, frisking someone when they're naked is a completely pointless exercise unless you think they're hiding something under their skin[/QUOTE]
She was probably just asked to stand up and spread arms.
[editline]27th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;48548089]you have a very poor grasp of what sexual assault implicates. molesting someone is very much so sexual assault[/QUOTE]
Where is the sexual part in that case?
There is nothing sexual about a police raid. Show me one sexual thing about the event.
No, not all actions towards a naked person are sexual. When you bathe your kid it's not sexual, when someone is searched in prison it's not sexual, when russians dive into frozen lakes naked every year its not sexual. If there was something sexual about that raid the media would already blow it out of proportion. If they didn't they just didbt get the chance, which proved my point.
And no, swat members dont realize they raided the wrong apartment. It's not their job to make such decisions. Treat them like soldiers. Soldiers dont get to decide what house they want to breakin and what they dont want to, what civilian to disarm and what to not disarm. Because lives are on stake. It may be laughable that a nude woman would do anything, but it's not like pregnant and old women didnt shoot and blow up US soldiers in afghanistan and iraq.
I wonder what bollocks info they were given. Still blaming the commander.
[QUOTE=apierce1289;48548297]Why isn't there a government agency in charge of the USA police departments (over seeing these departments as well as handling legitimate complaints).[/QUOTE]
I don't know if there is a reason, there just isn't. There's no federal police force or federal police standards. Cities and Towns just make their own, same for States.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48548592]She was probably just asked to stand up and spread arms.
[editline]27th August 2015[/editline]
Where is the sexual part in that case?
There is nothing sexual about a police raid. Show me one sexual thing about the event.
No, not all actions towards a naked person are sexual. When you bathe your kid it's not sexual, when someone is searched in prison it's not sexual, when russians dive into frozen lakes naked every year its not sexual. If there was something sexual about that raid the media would already blow it out of proportion. If they didn't they just didbt get the chance, which proved my point.
And no, swat members dont realize they raided the wrong apartment. It's not their job to make such decisions. Treat them like soldiers. Soldiers dont get to decide what house they want to breakin and what they dont want to, what civilian to disarm and what to not disarm. Because lives are on stake. It may be laughable that a nude woman would do anything, but it's not like pregnant and old women didnt shoot and blow up US soldiers in afghanistan and iraq.
I wonder what bollocks info they were given. Still blaming the commander.[/QUOTE]
holy
fucking
shit
for starters police officers are NOT FUCKING SOLDIERS
the second we consider the police on par with the military, is when we have a fantastic reason to start being afraid of the police. The fact that a SWAT team was used to conduct a raid on an apartment building searching for drugs or something with no intel if there was any kind of weapon on the premises at all is absurd and a gross misuse of resources. But above all, SWAT members are police officers FIRST, SWAT members second. They're not soldiers. They're cops. Nor is this a video game where some commander, callsign Overlord, is harping in your ear the entire operation telling you what to do from the central command center. These are supposed to be trained professionals with the ability of critical thinking, not lackeys with the inability to think for themselves.
And are you seriously equating a US citizen with religious militant extremists conducting suicide bombing operations or ambushes with automatic weapons in a foreign country against an organized military using state of the art equipment, with access to mobile artillery and fighter jets? Do you not get how fucked up that is? She was literally bare-ass naked, on the ground, visibly cowering from the men in body armor and semi-automatic rifles. It takes a good 3 seconds to tell that she's unarmed, and they "frisk" her anyways. In front of her kids. Grounds for sexual assault charges or not, it was undoubtedly extremely demeaning and embarrassing.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48550021]holy
fucking
shit
for starters police officers are NOT FUCKING SOLDIERS
the second we consider the police on par with the military, is when we have a fantastic reason to start being afraid of the police. The fact that a SWAT team was used to conduct a raid on an apartment building searching for drugs or something with no intel if there was any kind of weapon on the premises at all is absurd and a gross misuse of resources. But above all, SWAT members are police officers FIRST, SWAT members second. They're not soldiers. They're cops. Nor is this a video game where some commander, callsign Overlord, is harping in your ear the entire operation telling you what to do from the central command center. These are supposed to be trained professionals with the ability of critical thinking, not lackeys with the inability to think for themselves.
And are you seriously equating a US citizen with religious militant extremists conducting suicide bombing operations or ambushes with automatic weapons in a foreign country against an organized military using state of the art equipment, with access to mobile artillery and fighter jets? Do you not get how fucked up that is? She was literally bare-ass naked, on the ground, visibly cowering from the men in body armor and semi-automatic rifles. It takes a good 3 seconds to tell that she's unarmed, and they "frisk" her anyways. In front of her kids. Grounds for sexual assault charges or not, it was undoubtedly extremely demeaning and embarrassing.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Burn the SWAT teams at the stake for doing their jobs, they should be fired and put in jail for following procedures :suicide:
Do we need SWAT teams? Yes.
Should they be heavily armed and up for anything that can go wrong? Yes.
Should it be standard procedure to use these assets and issue no knock warrants on the basis of really sketchy or sometimes completely falsified intelligence? Fuck the hell no.
The SWAT team is just doing their job, but there are people who keep authorizing and pushing for the approval of bad warrants. Fucking stop. You are needlessly putting the lives of both civilians and officers at risk.
It's sad that the issues with SWATing won't be resolved until someone gets seriously hurt or dies.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48547538]I can't even imagine what stupid shit goes through these swat members heads.
*they breach the area, check out if everything is okay, find this family*
*Careful man, that crying naked lady next to her children might have a deadly weapon hidden under her armpit*
*yeah, better frisk her, by the book*
Such retarded shit.[/QUOTE]
it's what their trained and told to always do, I believe. I don't know any SWAT members, though, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;48550358]It's sad that the issues with SWATing won't be resolved until someone gets seriously hurt or dies.[/QUOTE]
This isn't swatting, that would be people calling in fake threats. This was just bad intel on the police department's part.
[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;48550358]It's sad that the issues with SWATing won't be resolved until [B]someone gets seriously hurt or dies[/B].[/QUOTE]
That already happens though
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