NASCAR Supports South Carolina's Removal Of The Confederate Flag
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[b]NASCAR Supports South Carolina's Removal Of The Confederate Flag[/b]
Source: [url=http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2015/6/23/nascar-statement-charleston-support-south-carolina-governor-nikki-haley-confederate-flag.html]NASCAR[/url] via [url=http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/nascar-supports-south-carolinas-removal-of-the-confeder-1713390228]Jalopnik[/url]
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NASCAR released a statement of support today for South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley’s call to [url=http://gawker.com/south-carolina-governor-says-confederate-flag-must-come-1713166184#_ga=1.64513903.1329244486.1431304057]remove the Confederate flag[/url] from the state capitol this summer. NASCAR, surprisingly, has long had a ban in place against the flag on anything officially related to the racing series.
NASCAR is viewed by many to be as Southern as deviled eggs and sweet tea, and with races in South Carolina as well as many race teams based in the South, the recent shooting in Charleston hit close to home. The sanctioning body’s [url=http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2015/6/23/nascar-statement-charleston-support-south-carolina-governor-nikki-haley-confederate-flag.html]statement[/url] reads:
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[i]As we continue to mourn the tragic loss of life last week in Charleston, we join our nation’s embrace of those impacted. NASCAR supports the position that South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley took on the Confederate Flag on Monday. As our industry works collectively to ensure that all fans are welcome at our races, NASCAR will continue our long-standing policy to disallow the use of the Confederate Flag symbol in any official NASCAR capacity. While NASCAR recognizes that freedom of expression is an inherent right of all citizens, we will continue to strive for an inclusive environment at our events.[/i]
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This isn’t the first time NASCAR has made a statement against the controversial flag. In 2012, the motorsport sanctioning body received criticism from fans [url=http://www.cootersplace.com/former-dukes-of-hazzard-star-ben-jones-blasts-nascar-decision]and stars[/url] of the show [i]Dukes of Hazzard[/i] for banning the “General Lee” 1969 Dodge Charger from participating in a race weekend’s activities. In addition to being named for a Confederate general, the General Lee sports a huge Condederate battle flag on its roof. According to [url=http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/nascar-bans-general-lee-over-confederate-flag-concerns.html]Fox Sports[/url], the famous television car was prevented from participating in a parade lap at a March NASCAR Sprint Cup race in Phoeniz, Ariz., that year.[/quote]
Good on them for moving forward with this idea, very progressive of them. But their fanbase are [b]not[/b] gonna like this, not one bit.
Good. This is a great change that's happening, even if it's just for symbolic reasons.
Nobody should be proudly flying that flag. Maybe if you keep it as a collector, but not proudly displaying and flying it.
Hicks gon' be cryin'
First Rmoney, now NASCAR? Is the grass still green? Does Michael Atkinson still molest dogs? What on earth is happening?
Was the Confederate Battle Flag even involved in the shootings or is it just someone's throwing on as association because it took place in South Carolina as opposed to say, New York or California?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48041400]Was the Confederate Battle Flag even involved in the shootings or is it just someone's throwing on as association because it took place in South Carolina as opposed to say, New York or California?[/QUOTE]
They guy literally posed with it in pictures.
[quote]But their fanbase are not gonna like this, not one bit. [/quote]
Get me a tearcup, I'm thirsty.
[quote] banning the “General Lee” 1969 Dodge Charger from participating in a race weekend’s activities.[/quote]
So are they basically saying the General Lee is racist only because it happens to have a confederate flag roof and is named after a Southern General?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48041901]So are they basically saying the General Lee is racist only because it happens to have a confederate flag roof and is named after a Southern General?[/QUOTE]
Lee himself was publicly opposed to slavery. He's not just some random general.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48041901]So are they basically saying the General Lee is racist only because it happens to have a confederate flag roof and is named after a Southern General?[/QUOTE]
From the sound of it, aye.
I was raised, from a very young age, to believe this flag stood for SOUTHERN PRIDE. And NOTHING else. No racism, no racist undertones, nothing. My bigger brother was obsessed with this flag and he's anything but a racist... Whenever I see the Confederate Flag I instantly think "Redneck" not "Racist"
Shame though, how things have changed, just because one man used it as a symbol of hate to it's own deep core and everyone saw the truth in it. Do I think it should be taken down? No, but, if it must then I think it should be converted into a "less-showy" fashion, like a plague or something on the inside of the Capitol commemorating the flag and it's heritage. (Though, I'm sure there already is something like that)
The flag should really only be flown in historical areas for historical purposes. That said too many people make the flag seem far worse than it really is.
There goes thier entire fandom.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48041957]There goes thier entire fandom.[/QUOTE]
Not really, the nascar community is a lot more than the stereotypical "Da soawth sha'll rise ageeen!" people.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48041943]The flag should really only be flown in historical areas for historical purposes. That said too many people make the flag seem far worse than it really is.[/QUOTE]
The flag was a symbol for not only a nation that was formed with the goal of perpetuating and expanding slavery, and was later used by (often violent) organizations who opposed racial integration and took action to keep black people marginalized and prevent them from voting. If anyone made the flag "worse than it is" It's the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Councils]White Citizen's Councils[/url] who used it prominently in their logo aongside the phrases "State's rights" and "Racial integrity"
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48041916]Lee himself was publicly opposed to slavery. He's not just some random general.[/QUOTE]
Robert E Lee was a skilled graduate of West Point, fought along side Grant in the Mexican-American war, and was all around a big help to the United States. When the Civil War happened he fought for his home state despite reluctance for the whole splitting up the union thing. He was also kind of iffy on the whole slavery thing too. He knew it would come to an end eventually but understood it's current importance to the South.
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Also NASCAR isn't banning fans from using the flag at tracks. It's just restating that it banned the flags use in any official capacity long ago. You can still go watch a race with your SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN t-shirt.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48041996]The flag was a symbol for not only a nation that was formed with the goal of perpetuating and expanding slavery, and was later used by (often violent) organizations who opposed racial integration and took action to keep black people marginalized and prevent them from voting. If anyone made the flag "worse than it is" It's the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens'_Councils"]White Citizen's Councils[/URL] who used it prominently in their logo aongside the phrases "State's rights" and "Racial integrity"[/QUOTE]
I dont even know why you bothered to type that all out, anyone who has bothered to learn any civil war history knows your being insanely biased and ignorant.
You pretty much just proved my point in what I said about people making the flag seem far worse than it really is.
[QUOTE=OvB;48042005]Robert E Lee was a skilled graduate of West Point, fought along side Grant in the Mexican-American war, and was all around a big help to the United States. When the Civil War happened he fought for his home state despite reluctance for the whole splitting up the union thing. He was also kind of iffy on the whole slavery thing too. He knew it would come to an end eventually but understood it's current importance to the South.
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Also NASCAR isn't banning fans from using the flag at tracks. It's just restating that it banned the flags use in any official capacity long ago. You can still go watch a race with your SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN t-shirt.[/QUOTE]
They did however ban General Lee replicas from participating at track events, which is stupid.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48041967]Not really, the nascar community is a lot more than the stereotypical "Da soawth sha'll rise ageeen!" people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my father used to take me to a lot of races in the summer in our RV when I was younger. A lot of the fun isn't just watching the races, but the fact that everyone there is super fucking chill, and just want to have a good time. Every time we went, we ended up falling into a barbeque party someone was having, or meeting a family and ending up watching the race with em, it was a good time really.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48040985]But their fanbase are [B]not[/B] gonna like this, not one bit.[/QUOTE]
Except that this isn't a new decision by NASCAR. It's been that way for decades. Not banning fans from wearing the Confederate Flag, just reminding everyone that they (NASCAR, its teams, drivers, and sponsors) will not display the flag in any official capacity.
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[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48042039]They did however ban General Lee replicas from participating at track events, which is stupid.[/QUOTE]
I would say they can't just make exceptions whenever they like, but it's NASCAR and they absolutely have done that as they've seen fit.
Everybody here uses it as southern pride, not racism. A teacher yelled at my friend because he has a confederate flag phone cover that he was a racist bigot. As he was holding hands with his black girlfriend. Apart from rednecks no one is really that racist here, although people think the south is still in recovery from the civil war.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48042034]I dont even know why you bothered to type that all out, anyone who has bothered to learn any civil war history knows your being insanely biased and ignorant.
You pretty much just proved my point in what I said about people making the flag seem far worse than it really is.[/QUOTE]
So you didn't read my comment fast the first few words, I get that. If you read the rest you'd see that I'm saying that the flag's usage extends beyond the civil war era, and into the civil rights era. Just 50-60 years ago, this was the logo of a group that worked to continue segregation and the marginalization of black people:
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/White_Citizens_Council.jpg[/img]
There is far more to this symbol than its use in the civil war.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48042634]So you didn't read my comment fast the first few words, I get that. If you read the rest you'd see that I'm saying that the flag's usage extends beyond the civil war era, and into the civil rights era. Just 50-60 years ago, this was the logo of a group that worked to continue segregation and the marginalization of black people:
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/White_Citizens_Council.jpg[/img]
There is far more to this symbol than its use in the civil war.[/QUOTE]
I read your entire post, its just you arent saying anything new that people didnt know already. We know the flag has been used by racists for racism. Your post implied very heavily that the flag is just about race and slavery and thats all its about just shows your ignorance and that you really dont care about everything else about it.
Its like your post at first was against me suggesting putting the flag in historical places and context shouldnt happen because some people used the flag for racism/slavery, while you know, ignoring everything else historical about it.
[QUOTE]There is far more to this symbol than its use in the civil war.[/QUOTE] this argument means we should change pretty much all flags because the American flag sure is used by plenty of racists and xenophobes. Same with probably any racist patriotic person anywhere waving a flag.
Checkmate rednecks, your kings have spoken from atop their jacked up truck-boat-thrones.
I always thought it was about remembering the people who died fighting for what they believed in? I don't think it was ever about bringing back the confederacy or slavery.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;48041096]Good. This is a great change that's happening, even if it's just for symbolic reasons.
Nobody should be proudly flying that flag. Maybe if you keep it as a collector, but not proudly displaying and flying it.
Hicks gon' be cryin'[/QUOTE]
Once again, devil's avocado.
What about reenactors?
[QUOTE=OvB;48042005]Robert E Lee was a skilled graduate of West Point, fought along side Grant in the Mexican-American war, and was all around a big help to the United States. When the Civil War happened he fought for his home state despite reluctance for the whole splitting up the union thing. He was also kind of iffy on the whole slavery thing too. He knew it would come to an end eventually but understood it's current importance to the South.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps anything pertaining to the founding fathers should be banned... since they actually owned many slaves and in fact refused to free many who had fought for the colonies during the actual revolutionary war.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48043980]Perhaps anything pertaining to the founding fathers should be banned... since they actually owned many slaves and in fact refused to free many who had fought for the colonies during the actual revolutionary war.[/QUOTE]
Let's just ban history. History might offend someone.
[QUOTE=OvB;48044027]Let's just ban history. History might offend someone.[/QUOTE]
Where I went to elementary school was a big underground railroad area. We used to take field trips to visit some of the historic homes and learn about the movement. It has since been cancelled as a field trip because of one mother who found it offensive.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48041400]Was the Confederate Battle Flag even involved in the shootings or is it just someone's throwing on as association because it took place in South Carolina as opposed to say, New York or California?[/QUOTE]
No, the shooter posed with it in pics, but that doesn't mean a damn thing. People just going after it because they feel the need to bitch at fabric. I'm still flying mine. Could care less.
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