Vancouner city concil votes 4-5 in favor of demolishing their viaducts. - Polidicks

[t]http://www.klondikecontracting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/04Georgia-Viaduct-1080x675.jpg[/t] [quote] City Councillors in Vancouver have voted to tear down the city's Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts, two major routes in and out of the downtown core, and set aside space for a massive park. Councillors approved the plan in a tight 5-4 vote on Tuesday. The ambitious plan would involve removing the viaducts, rerouting traffic, and installing a new park, at a cost of $200 million. And the city is expecting land developers to help foot the bill.[/quote] [quote] Critics had raised concerns the tear-down will make traffic worse, and suggested the plan plays into the hands of developers looking to profit from building new condos. Some residents have also raised concerns about the $200 million price tag.[/quote] [quote] But proponents say new routes will be able to handle 100 per cent of the traffic the viaducts currently carry, and that the overall benefits to the city outweigh the costs. The city has also argued that new roads would be safer if an earthquake hit Vancouver.[/quote] [url=http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vancouver-viaducts-to-be-torn-down-in-200m-project-1.2631175]**SOURCE**[/url] They're insane. You see that empty lot to the left of that photo? That belongs to Concord Pacific. They've been sitting on that since the 80's because they know that land is worth tens of millions. Word is they threw massive amounts of cash at city hall to swing the vote because they want the land the viaducts sit on as well for "future development", regardless of the parks bullshit people are saying. [editline]asdas[/editline] Shit. Uh, mods I'd like to buy a vowel.

This is so obviously corrupt it's just sad.

so... is their going to be any real big protest about this in the future?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49017526]This is so obviously corrupt it's just sad.[/QUOTE] Concord is famous for being crooked to fuck. [quote="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_86#Scandal"]In 1988, the site was sold to the Concord Pacific development corporation for a fraction of the original cost, a move that proved to be extremely controversial. Premier William Vander Zalm and Peter Toigo were accused of influence peddling in the sale.[/quote] That and they've been saying for the last 20 years now that they would be converting the undeveloped land into a public space "soon", but it's still a fenced-off lot with their showcase office in the middle.

so they voted 5-4 to make getting into Vancouver harder? im not sure why anyone would want to tear down their own highways, unless they're completely useless, but i suspect they aren't [quote]The city has also argued that new roads would be safer if an earthquake hit Vancouver.[/quote] didn't they account for this when they built the road in the first place? i mean its not like Vancouver suddenly became part of an earthquake zone, they've known about it

Why, if they are just going to bull doze the whole area anyways, do they not just leave underground tunnels that mimics the old viaducts? I guess they need that space for more starbucks or something.

wait will this fuck with the transit of Vancouver ( Sky train ) ?

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49017631]wait will this fuck with the transit of Vancouver ( Sky train ) ?[/QUOTE] No, just driving But it will massively, MASSIVELY impact drivers, bussers, and really, all of our transit in a massive way. Our traffic is already terrible, we're just going to see that get 10x worse now and we have no solutions being offered for this. We're just going to have to deal with it because our city is corrupt.

So they're not planning on replacing them? I mean if they were pulling a big dig 2 electric boogaloo this would be great but considering the anger I image that isn't the case?

The "Big Dig" project that occurred in Boston fucked up our infrastructure for years, and we're still feeling the after effects of it

[Quote]Shit. Uh, mods I'd like to buy a vowel.[/QUOTE] That'll be $250 please.

Well, here's how they look like right now: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4rj4bl7.png[/IMG] And here's the proposal: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/woLlAvT.png[/IMG] [URL="http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/06/vancouver-viaduct-conceptual-plan-revealed/"]Source and more info[/URL]

It currently takes me 2 hours to get to university by bus on a route that runs parallel to this viaduct. I wonder how much this will fuck me over.

[QUOTE=aydin690;49018257]Well, here's how they look like right now: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4rj4bl7.png[/IMG] And here's the proposal: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/woLlAvT.png[/IMG] [URL="http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/06/vancouver-viaduct-conceptual-plan-revealed/"]Source and more info[/URL][/QUOTE] Liking the new green space

[QUOTE=aydin690;49018257]Well, here's how they look like right now: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4rj4bl7.png[/IMG] And here's the proposal: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/woLlAvT.png[/IMG] [URL="http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/06/vancouver-viaduct-conceptual-plan-revealed/"]Source and more info[/URL][/QUOTE] this is basically amalgamating most of the traffic onto 1 main road, which happen to take the traffic from Dunsmuir and Georgia St 's onto this one main road (at the expense of tearing up Pacific & Expo Blvd). Why would they even consider this? If this is the main thoroughfare from SE Vancouver and beyond, traffic is likely to be backed up for miles on Quebec St and Prior St (in which in this map, would intersect and that specific intersection would the main problem, not to forget the backlog on Main St which connects to Kingsway). Honestly, it seems it may be better to just get the City, Provincial & Federal Governments to just build an underground extension of the Trans-Canada highway from Cascade Heights (basically directly underneath the Grandview Highway till Sth Grandview Hwy & Nanaimo St, then following the Millenium-line alignment all the way to VCC-Clark and then under the CP tracks into Van Pac. Central) to just south of merge of Dunsmuir and Georgia Viaducts (where that massive un-paved parking lot next to Vancouver Pacific Central is).

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49017526]This is so obviously corrupt it's just sad.[/QUOTE] A city in America did the samething because the system was built before the dawn of time, it couldn't handle traffic numbers that had increased a decade later. So, They knock it all down built it all underground and then turn the top part into parks. I assume they will do the same here. also 200 million for the entire project sounds pretty cheap compared to how much the goverement charges for things here. Resurface a road that will be 1b.

As if a city council can decide what to do with major roads. Isn't roads a provincial matter in Canada?

On an issue of this scale you'd think there would be more of a vote difference need like 7-2 or 8-1, 5-4 just seems too close.

[QUOTE=The golden;49018292]Vancouver working hard to keep its place as worst-traffic in North America.[/QUOTE] well then LA needs to step up its game, take out all but 1 lane on all the highways into the city, and put a bike lane along side it!

[QUOTE=Sableye;49019277]well then LA needs to step up its game, take out all but 1 lane on all the highways into the city, and put a bike lane along side it![/QUOTE] No bike lane, only a "share the road" sign will do.

Hard to tell if its corruption. 66 million to upgrade them or 200 million to scrap the whole thing and build a new system.

[QUOTE=Sableye;49017591]so they voted 5-4 to make getting into Vancouver harder? im not sure why anyone would want to tear down their own highways, unless they're completely useless, but i suspect they aren't didn't they account for this when they built the road in the first place? i mean its not like Vancouver suddenly became part of an earthquake zone, they've known about it[/QUOTE] Did you not know? Everyone will be using bikes and roads will be phased out. A 1 hour car trip will only take 3-4 times longer to do, no big deal. Because we just CANT have those totally dAnGERous nuclear power plants electric cars are not a option either so thats why we are making the genious decision to remove roads. Become a environmental terrorist today and save the world from itself.