Christmas Market Targeted With Nail Bomb by Boy, 12: German Officials
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[quote]A 12-year-old boy tried to detonate a nail bomb at a Christmas market in Germany, authorities said.
The explosive device was found near the Town Hall in Ludwigshafen earlier this month.
Hubert Stroeber, a spokesman for the local prosecutor's office, told NBC News that it would "turn down an investigation in the case" due to the fact the boy is aged under 14.
However, Stroeber confirmed that Germany's Federal Prosecutor had been informed about the incident.
The suspect was born in Germany but is of Iraqi heritage.
Local officials said they had found a black bag in a waste container on Dec. 5, according to a police report.
Investigators said that the material found in the glass container was believed to be "pyrotechnical material that is used in fireworks."
Germany's FOCUS magazine reported that a controlled explosion was carried out after the device was spotted by a member of the public.
It added that the boy had tried to detonate explosives at the Ludwigshafen Christmas market on Nov. 26.
"A backpack included a glass container with a drilled hole, through which a wire was pulled. It was filled with explosive powder … and prepared with nails," the magazine reported.
It is not clear at this stage whether this was a separate device to the one found nine days later.
FOCUS quoted investigators as saying the "strongly radicalized" youth was likely "incited and instructed" by an "unidentified member of ISIS."
He also had hoped to travel to Iraq to join ISIS last summer, it reported.
Due to the country's laws regarding the age of criminal responsibility, the 12-year-old was not arrested but instead reportedly taken into foster care.
German security officials confirmed to NBC News' partner ZDF that the details reported by FOCUS were correct.[/quote]
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/christmas-market-targeted-nail-bomb-boy-12-german-officials-n696811[/url]
[url]http://www.dw.com/en/report-12-year-old-planned-two-bomb-attacks-in-german-city-of-ludwigshafen/a-36791667[/url]
They did say there were possibly going to be attacks aimed at christmas shoppers in several countries, I think they need to overlook children's age when it comes to this, its a weak part of our law system.
I still hope that foster care is bit more controlled than just what is typical.
[editline]16th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538169]
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[quote]"A backpack included a glass container with a drilled hole, through which a wire was pulled. It was filled with explosive powder … [b]and prepared with nails[/b]," the magazine reported.
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Well it was filled with nails.
The fact it was a shitty bomb made by a 12 year old just is more of a blessing
Man, They must have a hell of a foster care system if that's a punishment over there.
Comparisons aside, the kid tried detonating an explosive with intent to injure or kill. Maybe he could face punishment that doesn't involved "putting him in a cage for profit"
When they came up with your juvenile punishment system I'm rather certain they weren't considering the possibility of a child making attempts at bombing crowded civilian centers and attempting to join terror cells.
There is always an exception to the "Rule", this case should most probably be one of them.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538268]Yeah, counsel. Help. That is probably what theyll do.[/QUOTE]
Presumably after they get him to tell them who the people were that convinced him to do this? This isn't "Frustrated teen takes out anger on civilians", some twisted fuck convinced him to make this attempt, this isn't isolated, there had to have been other people involved.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538268]What will this accomplish apart from increasing his reoffending chance?
Or do you think we should lock him up for life so that he doesnt reoffend?
Maybe we should build something like Azkaban or Alcatray on Heligoland to store 12 year old nail-firework firers.[/QUOTE]
This isn't some run of the mill petty crime, the kid tried to kill a random group of people, that's not something kids just randomly do and then you send them off to foster care. The priority should be finding out why the fuck he tried to bomb people and stopping it from happening in the future.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538226]Burning nails may be a hazard, but still isnt a bomb. [/QUOTE]
I don't give a shit if he accidentally made a compact bonfire machine, he clearly intended to make an explosive that would fuck up a bunch of people and carried out the act of planting and attempting to detonate the fucker
like if you believe you have a loaded gun, whip it out, point it at somebody, pull the trigger, but it fires a blank or just lets off an empty click, you still were attempting murder. There's no "oh well, nobody was hurt!", the kid fucked up and it's hard to believe a 12 year old would come up with a scheme like this entirely of his own accord
[QUOTE=soulharvester;51538251]When they came up with your juvenile punishment system I'm rather certain they weren't considering the possibility of a child making attempts at bombing crowded civilian centers and attempting to join terror cells.
There is always an exception to the "Rule", this case should most probably be one of them.[/QUOTE]
Just like Sweden didn't think that anyone would be willingly trying to abuse the welfare system.
There are always people who try to abuse something if there is a loophole. Otherwise worms and computer virii wouldn't exist.
The best system is the one that can be abused the least.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538169]Ludwigshafen is pretty bad overall ive heard with crime.
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I live 30 minutes from Ludwigshafen and I've been there dozens of times. Can confirm the high crime and poverty rate there. Everyone here knows that it's dangerous and that you shouldn't be there when it's dark outside and you're alone.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538268]
What will this accomplish apart from increasing his reoffending chance?
Or do you think we should lock him up for life so that he doesnt reoffend?
Maybe we should build something like Azkaban or Alcatray on Heligoland to store 12 year old nail-firework firers.[/QUOTE]
I got another option for him, send him to one of the shithole countries that he admires so much and if he survives it for a month let him decide if it is a good idea to blow up the people of the country that willingly tried to help your family.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538169][editline]16th December 2016[/editline]
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Nothing to "prosecute" at all. Even his parents are cooperative. No criminals, just a dumbfuck child.[/QUOTE]
Are you incapable of understanding the implications of intent vs execution? This is something that completely blows my mind about justice systems around the world. Why is full blown attempted murder (that fails) any less severe than full blown attempted murder that succeeds? The guilty person in both cases had the same objective, the only difference is luck on the day; doesn't this make them both as dangerous as each other? Why a difference in punishment and rehabilitation extent?
This kid did not attempt an emotion filled murder, it wasn't a spur of the moment attack. He went out of his way to attempt to massacre a group of innocent people and you're trying to say that it's okay because he didn't actually manage to kill them and he's young? I'm baffled. There's a massive difference between an extensively planned murder/rampage and a spur of the moment emotional break out. You can't just send this kid to therapy for a few years until he matures and expect everyone to be happy and safe. It wasn't like he just planned the attack either, he began work and built his shitty bomb. I don't give a fuck if you're 10 or 50, if someone attempts to build a bomb to blow my fellow citizens and I up, I want you far away and detained. Rehabilitation is great for situational crimes and I agree that it can help some criminals become socially acceptable, but a fucking terrorist attack plot isn't something you can just expect therapy to undo.
The kid is a terrorist in my eyes and quite frankly he should be tried fully as one.
He should be tried in the child courts more than likely and given psychiatric care. He's probably being easily manipulated by someone and that person needs to be found.
[QUOTE=jesse1412;51538655]The kid is a terrorist in my eyes and quite frankly he should be tried fully as one.[/QUOTE]
Well, he's 12. What are you gonna do, sell him to US and throw him into Guantanamo Bay?
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51538138]They did say there were possibly going to be attacks aimed at christmas shoppers in several countries, I think they need to overlook children's age when it comes to this, its a weak part of our law system.[/QUOTE]
Germany is pretty huge on Christmas fairs. Seems like a target for extremist nutjobs.
[editline]16th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538478]Ignoring the fact that you advocate sending a fucking child to a war zone;[/QUOTE]
Well, it's better than bringing a warzone to the children here in Germany.
Although yeah deporting the kid wouldn't be the right thing to do either.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538169]Ludwigshafen is pretty bad overall ive heard with crime.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Saiko;51538379]I live 30 minutes from Ludwigshafen and I've been there dozens of times. Can confirm the high crime and poverty rate there. Everyone here knows that it's dangerous and that you shouldn't be there when it's dark outside and you're alone.[/QUOTE]
Not really. It's pretty average for a city, as criminal statistics show.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51538478]Ignoring the fact that you advocate sending a fucking child to a war zone;
You dont know if his parents are refugees. Also he was born here, the child.
It is quite possible that nobody really helped them and they made themselves. At least whatever they have, considering they live in Ludwigshafen.[/QUOTE]
Why do you go through such extreme lengths to defend a confirmed fucking psychopath?
Would you defend a white 10 year old boy if he planted the same shitty device with nails at a mosque?
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Would you defend a white 10 year old boy if he planted the same shitty device with nails at a mosque?[/QUOTE]
I would advocate having them punished, just as this case, but I would not toss them into Guantanamo bay or leave him to the US juvenile detention centers since they are unlikely to reform the kid or help at all.
but why is the US justice system brought up in this thread? its irrelevant, this is not the US.
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confirmed fucking psychopath?[/QUOTE]
Actually, this is what I wanted to point out. I don't think he is a psychopath, I think he was radicalized by someone and manipulated. Children are easy to manipulate after all.
look at the article
[QUOTE]FOCUS quoted investigators as saying the "strongly radicalized" youth was likely "incited and instructed" by an "unidentified member of ISIS."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Authorities also told ZDF that the boy had been radicalized via social media and the Internet.[/B][/QUOTE]
I and many others have warned about this. There is a lot of radical propaganda online and very little is being done about it. If we do not crack down upon it, this type of news will become more prevelant
Will this be a new tactic by IS? If so, could this lead to us expecting more attacks (even if this one failed it is a planned attack) carried out by children with middle eastern or african heritage? I say middle eastern or african heritage since those people are the ones IS are aiming to recruit almost every time because of the divide in society.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51540263]Will this be a new tactic by IS? If so, could this lead to us expecting more attacks (even if this one failed it is a planned attack) carried out by children with middle eastern or african heritage? I say middle eastern or african heritage since those people are the ones IS are aiming to recruit almost every time because of the divide in society.[/QUOTE]
it very well could be. with social media and how easy it is to manipulate children, I am actually surprised this has not been happening more often.
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;51538774]Not really. It's pretty average for a city, as criminal statistics show.[/QUOTE]
Can you post a source?
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-security-idUSKBN1450R5?il=0[/url]
Apparently, he was a German-Iraqi and wanted to go to Syria to join the militants, but I've never actually heard of focus magazine and don't know how accurate it is.
This isn't going to be used to push any immigrant/muslim related agendas. Nope, no sir.
[QUOTE=gufu;51538734]Well, he's 12. What are you gonna do, sell him to US and throw him into Guantanamo Bay?[/QUOTE]
yes :cool:
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51539800]Wow, I missed the psychiatric evaluation. Where in the article is that?
Yes? Why not?
Children are children, ethnicity irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Anybody who thinks about making bombs and executing random people is unstable and dangerous. The entire world teaches you not to harm your fellow man, and this kid runs in the opposite direction and tries to kill people he doesn't even know. Beyond help, in my opinion.
And? I don't care if you're an impressionable person and it's not your fault. You're still a menace to society ¿
Ah facepunch never lets me down. The first people to jump to the defense of someone wanting to blow up civilians, of course.
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;51541484]Ah facepunch never lets me down. The first people to jump to the defense of someone wanting to blow up civilians, of course.[/QUOTE]
Oh come on, it's a 12 year old kid - Someone's been forcefeeding this kid with an insane ideology.
Someone this young needs immediate help. Can't view him as an adult and imprison him as such, that's just counter-productive.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51541686]Oh come on, it's a 12 year old kid - Someone's been forcefeeding this kid with an insane ideology.
Someone this young needs immediate help. Can't view him as an adult and imprison him as such, that's just counter-productive.[/QUOTE]
This kid deserves whatever is coming to him, and those responsible for the radicalization deserve life in prison.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51541686]Oh come on, it's a 12 year old kid - Someone's been forcefeeding this kid with an insane ideology.
Someone this young needs immediate help. Can't view him as an adult and imprison him as such, that's just counter-productive.[/QUOTE]
Well I guess we'll find out [I]if[/I] he ever kills anyone over this.
i have to wonder how many impressionable children are being persuaded to do similar things at this very moment
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