US: Police use tear gas to quell vigil for teen who police say shot himself in the head while handcu - Polidicks

[IMG]http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/ratio--83-34--830x340/public/articles/ap105751637340.jpg?itok=eVBgwt1_[/IMG] [URL="http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/cops-break-vigil-latino-teen"]MSNBC[/URL] [quote]A vigil for a teenage boy who died mysteriously in police custody erupted on Thursday night in Durham, NC. Police in riot gear fired tear gas into a crowd filled with friends and family of [B]17-year-old Jesus Huerta, who [URL="http://www.wral.com/family-of-teen-who-died-in-durham-police-custody-searches-for-answers/13135370/"]was killed by a gunshot [/URL]wound to the head while handcuffed from behind in the back of a Durham police patrol car on November 19.[/B] According to a statement last week by Jose Lopez Sr., Durham’s police chief, the gunshot wound that killed Huerta was self-inflicted. Huerta is the third young man of color to die in a shooting that involved Durham police in the past four months.[/quote]

What the fuck

its okay he'll be back up in a few days

I... buh... wha... WHY!? No seriously this is like taking a shit while you are in the middle of a bonfire while covered in gasoline.

Its fucking obvious the police did it, they should stop being assholes and just admit that they screwed badly. The cop who did it should also get fired and charged with murder.. Wishful thinking i guess.

They killed Jesus. Guess it's time for everyone to convert.

That police force is fucked up, serious fucked up. Then to use riot gear and tear gas at a vigil. They need to fully investigate that externally

Huh, I was assuming from the title that this was about Greek police.

The original article referenced makes it seem as though the kid shot himself, it also states that no officers discharged their firearms. [quote] Officer Samuel Duncan was transporting Huerta to police headquarters on West Chapel Hill Street to pick up a warrant charging the teen with second-degree trespassing.When the officer got to the parking lot, he heard a loud noise in the car and jumped from the vehicle, police said. The patrol car rolled into a van and came to rest with Huerta in the back seat.Huerta’s mother, Sylvia Fernandez, said Wednesday that her son ran away from the family apartment on Washington Street, and she wanted police to help. Fernandez, who doesn’t speak English, asked her daughter to call police.In a recording of the 911 call, the sister told the call-taker they were worried because the teen was using drugs and once tried to take his own life. But the family said Wednesday Huerta never tried to kill himself.[/quote] From: [url]http://www.wral.com/family-of-teen-w...wers/13135370/[/url]

[quote]In a recording of the 911 call, the sister told the call-taker they were worried because the teen was using drugs and once tried to take his own life. But the family said Wednesday Huerta never tried to kill himself.[/quote] Wait, what?

How the fuck did the kid have a gun on his person while he was in the backseat of a patrol car, then?!???

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;43323930]Wait, what?[/QUOTE] Yeah that confused me as well.

The police wouldn't of have to have used tear gas if they didn't show up at that vigil in the first place, regardless of prior incidents. If its a peaceful vigil, then let it be until someone starts flipping cars and catching them on fire.

[QUOTE=Slarav;43323810]Its fucking obvious the police did it, they should stop being assholes and just admit that they screwed badly. The cop who did it should also get fired and charged with murder.. Wishful thinking i guess.[/QUOTE] It might be fucking obvious the police did it if you didnt read more about the story than the few sentences in the OP. All evidence points to a suicide. The guy had gunshot residue on his hands, the cop didn't have a trace and all other forensic evidence points to a suicide.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43323977]It might be fucking obvious the police did it if you didnt read more about the story than the few sentences in the OP. All evidence points to a suicide. The guy had gunshot residue on his hands, the cop didn't have a trace and all other forensic evidence points to a suicide.[/QUOTE] One RIDICULOUSLY simple fact points against it though. The fact he was in handcuffs. Behind the back at that. And tear gassing and arresting people attending a VIGIL of all things is just plain dumb.

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;43324030]One RIDICULOUSLY simple fact points against it though. The fact he was in handcuffs. Behind the back at that. And tear gassing and arresting people attending a VIGIL of all things is just plain dumb.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's negligence on the officers part at best, how did he not check for weapons? You don't just hide a fucking gun while you're being searched right.

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;43324030]One RIDICULOUSLY simple fact points against it though. The fact he was in handcuffs. Behind the back at that. And tear gassing and arresting people attending a VIGIL of all things is just plain dumb.[/QUOTE] Have you ever been in handcuffs? Your not completely restricted. Go ahead and put your hands together at the wrist (which is actually more restrictive than most handcuffs) and see if you can reach into your waist band and point a pretend gun at your head. Its not that hard

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43323977]It might be fucking obvious the police did it if you didnt read more about the story than the few sentences in the OP. All evidence points to a suicide. The guy had gunshot residue on his hands, the cop didn't have a trace and all other forensic evidence points to a suicide.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. All the so-called "forensic evidence" you're referring to are actually just claims from the Durham police. This is not forensic evidence. It's a statement made by the defendants. No lab reports of the alleged gun-residue that the police claimed to exist were displayed nor were there any DNA testing to verify whether or not the gloves were actually his. You get to call it 'forensic' after a conclusion is made by a coroner/forensic investigator. But not because that's what the police are claiming in an attempt to exonerate themselves.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43324038]Yeah, it's negligence on the officers part at best, how did he not check for weapons? You don't just hide a fucking gun while you're being searched right.[/QUOTE] Negligence doesn't equal murder

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43323941]How the fuck did the kid have a gun on his person while he was in the backseat of a patrol car, then?!???[/QUOTE] I've never been thoroughly searched as a juvenile before being placed in a cruiser. It's not far fetched for him to have had a firearm on his person. Also possible that they never searched him to begin with either. Sometimes they forget, see the infamous holding room suicide and the video of the guy opening fire on police when they open the backdoor of their car.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43324058]All the so-called "forensic evidence" you're referring to are actually just claims from the Durham police. This is not forensic evidence. It's a statement made by the defendants. No lab reports of the alleged gun-residue that the police claimed to exist were displayed nor were there any DNA testing to verify whether or not the gloves were actually his.[/QUOTE] Unless every single person within the Durham police forensic unit is corrupt, along with every other at the department, I seriously doubt a lie of such magnitude could be made. Adding to the fact that the reason the officer originally arrested him was because he could have been a danger to himself

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324055]Have you ever been in handcuffs? Your not completely restricted. Go ahead and put your hands together at the wrist (which is actually more restrictive than most handcuffs) and see if you can reach into your waist band and point a pretend gun at your head. Its not that hard[/QUOTE] Behind the back. And a pretend gun =/= a physical gun. Try doing it with a water gun. Sure it could be possible but it takes a ridiculous amount of effort.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324059]Negligence doesn't equal murder[/QUOTE] Putting a possibly suicidal person in the back of a patrol car without searching him for weapons, then transporting him to the police station to get a warrant for his arrest, sound like Involuntary manslaughter to me.

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;43324099]Behind the back. And a pretend gun =/= a physical gun. Try doing it with a water gun. Oh wait, Can't grab it because your hands are not only at your back but also together at the wrist.[/QUOTE] What? What do you mean together at the waist? And police regularly handcuff people facing forward. Im not sure if it was mentioned in this case. [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers;43324108]Putting a possibly suicidal person in the back of a patrol car without searching him for weapons, then transporting him to the police station to get a warrant for his arrest, sound like Involuntary manslaughter to me.[/QUOTE] Its kind of hard to go for Involuntary manslaughter considering it was a suicide. But I can see that argument, just no that the cop, for no reason what so ever, shot him in the head. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read the first line of the article" - Starpluck))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324132]What? What do you mean together at the waist? And police regularly handcuff people facing forward. Im not sure if it was mentioned in this case.[/QUOTE] Read the OP. "While handcuffed from BEHIND."

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324088]Unless every single person within the Durham police forensic unit is corrupt, along with every other at the department, I seriously doubt a lie of such magnitude could be made. Adding to the fact that the reason the officer originally arrested him was because he could have been a danger to himself[/QUOTE] The only source for your entire argument is relying on the word of a police chief, that's it. The people who's likely lying are most likely a handful of officers who were at the scene, not "every single person" at the department. Cops do this shit all the time. Their word is not some credible piece of integrity you're making it out to be; as time and time again has shown police officers lie excessively to cover each others asses due to the 'brotherhood' ideology that is inherent with police forces. He was arrested because of second-degree trespassing. Get your facts straight.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324132]What? What do you mean together at the waist? And police regularly handcuff people facing forward. Im not sure if it was mentioned in this case. [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] Its kind of hard to go for Involuntary manslaughter considering it was a suicide. But I can see that argument, just no that the cop, for no reason what so ever, shot him in the head.[/QUOTE] Negligence is involuntary manslaughter as well. I'm not going to speculate as to what happened, I'm just saying even if what the cops reported what happened is actually what happened, the cop is still at fault here.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324132]What? What do you mean together at the waist? And police regularly handcuff people facing forward. [B]Im not sure if it was mentioned in this case[/B].[/QUOTE] It's literally in the first line of the article. The fact you couldn't even read "just a few sentences in the OP" (as you described) probably means you were talking out of your ass the entire time.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324088]Unless every single person within the Durham police forensic unit is corrupt, along with every other at the department, I seriously doubt a lie of such magnitude could be made. Adding to the fact that the reason the officer originally arrested him was because he could have been a danger to himself[/QUOTE] It doesn't take the entire department to be corrupt for something like this to happen. It can be just as much as one guy in the chain, and it's usually the officer on the ground.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43324055]Have you ever been in handcuffs? Your not completely restricted. Go ahead and put your hands together at the wrist (which is actually more restrictive than most handcuffs) and see if you can reach into your waist band and point a pretend gun at your head. Its not that hard[/QUOTE] It's incredibly difficult to point a gun at your head if your hands are bound behind your back.