• Zimbabwe demands the US extradite dentist that shot Cecil the Lion; man's whereabouts are unknown as
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[quote]As outrage grows over the killing of Cecil the lion, Zimbabwe has called on the United States to extradite the American dentist who shot the prized big cat. Zimbabwe has started extradition proceedings and hopes the United States will cooperate, said Oppah Muchinguri, the African nation's environment minister. [B]Walter Palmer "had a well-orchestrated agenda which would tarnish the image of Zimbabwe and further strain the relationship between Zimbabwe and the USA," Muchinguri said.[/B] Palmer, his professional hunter guide, and the owner of the land where the hunt took place are accused of an illegal hunt under the country's Parks and Wildlife Act, Muchinguri said in a statement. [B]Specifically, Palmer is accused of financing an illegal hunt, and he and the professional hunter are also accused of illegally using a crossbow "to conceal the illegal hunt" so they wouldn't alert rangers on patrol, she said.[/B] The landowner allegedly allowed the hunt to be conducted without a lion quota and without the necessary permit, Muchinguri said. "The professional hunter, client and land owner were therefore all engaged in poaching of the lion," she said. She added, "This must be condemned in the strongest possible terms by all genuine, animal-loving conservationists who believe in sustainable utilization of natural resources." Palmer, from Minnesota, has said he relied on the expertise of local guides "to ensure a legal hunt." [B]"I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt,[/B]" Palmer said in a statement Tuesday. He allegedly paid $50,000 in early July to hunt the lion with a crossbow near Hwange National Park in western Zimbabwe. Cecil -- a major tourist draw at Hwange -- was lured out of the park sanctuary with a dead animal on top of a vehicle, according to the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force. The 13-year-old lion, recognizable by the black streaks in his mane, suffered a slow death, the conservation group said. [B]Palmer's whereabouts remain unknown amid the uproar over the hunt.[/B] Meanwhile, a White House petition requesting that Palmer be extradited to Zimbabwe may receive a response from the Obama administration. [B]The petition needed to receive 100,000 signatures by August 27 to get a response. It had more than 175,000 signatures by Friday afternoon.[/B] Muchinguri said that there was also much outcry in Zimbabwe and that nearly [B]500,000 people via Facebook had called for Palmer's extradition.[/B] "We are taking this issue seriously," she said, adding that Palmer should be tried in Zimbabwe. [B]Hundreds of protesters have gathered this week outside Palmer's dental practice in Bloomington, Minnesota[/B], CNN affiliate WCCO-TV in Minneapolis reported.[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/zimbabwe-cecil-lion-dentist/index.html[/url] People going nuts over the death of animal I'm sure more than 90% of them never heard of the day before its death.
While he's an idiot for not checking that his guide had all the proper documentation and licenses to hunt a lion, I don't think he's a criminal. [editline]1st August 2015[/editline] There are also far more important things in the world for all those people to be outraged at than a lion.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48345473][url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/zimbabwe-cecil-lion-dentist/index.html[/url] People going nuts over the death of animal I'm sure more than 90% of them never heard of the day before its death.[/QUOTE] People go nuts over the deaths of innocent humans that they never knew. Regardless of species, whether anybody knows the affected or not has nothing to do with if they believe something is right or wrong. [editline]1st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=download;48345494] There are also far more important things in the world for all those people to be outraged at than a lion.[/QUOTE] being outraged in general at luring innocent creatures to their deaths as a "trophy" of "accomplishment" would be a pretty positive step for humanity instead of being apathetic about longterm chase "hunting" torture, while applying double standard to domestic pets
I dont see the problem with this regardless of how big the story is exploding/viral. He clearly broke a pretty big law and justice needs to take it course. Extradite the fucker
Extradite him. He's done this at least twice before, that's been documented. Ship him off.
Has the US ever extradited someone?
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;48345533]I dont see the problem with this regardless of how big the story is exploding/viral. He clearly broke a pretty big law and justice needs to take it course. Extradite the fucker[/QUOTE] It's still unclear exactly who fucked up (if you listen to him, the real person responsible was his guide) and I highly doubt he'd get a fair trial in Zimbabwe. Does the US even have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe?
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;48345598]It's still unclear exactly who fucked up (if you listen to him, the real person responsible was his guide) and I highly doubt he'd get a fair trial in Zimbabwe. Does the US even have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe?[/QUOTE] Yes, the US has an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe for any criminal cases where the sentence would be longer than 1 year. Killing a lion in an area where it is not permitted, which is what this guy did despite having a proper permit, has a 10 year sentence. Zimbabwe has every legal right to ask for this but it's unlikely the US will since the chances of him receiving a fair trial are essentially zero.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48345612]Yes, the US has an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe for any criminal cases where the sentence would be longer than 1 year. Killing a lion in an area where it is not permitted, which is what this guy did despite having a proper permit, has a 10 year sentence. Zimbabwe has every legal right to ask for this but it's unlikely the US will since the chances of him receiving a fair trial are essentially zero.[/QUOTE] Bonus trivia: Whether he will get a fair trial or not has no legal impact on whether the US is allowed to extradite him or not and the risk of him not is not a legal reason for them to withhold extradition. [editline]1st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;48345504]People go nuts over the deaths of innocent humans that they never knew. Regardless of species, whether anybody knows the affected or not has nothing to do with if they believe something is right or wrong. [editline]1st August 2015[/editline] being outraged in general at luring innocent creatures to their deaths as a "trophy" of "accomplishment" would be a pretty positive step for humanity instead of being apathetic about longterm chase "hunting" torture, while applying double standard to domestic pets[/QUOTE] Lions get killed all the time. Hell, rhinos have almost been hunted to extinction. But this animal had a name. Therefore it is [I]definitely[/I] more important.
Nah, fuck this guy. See, he shot the lion with a fucking crossbow because he couldn't go over there with a hunting rifle because he had absolutely no rifle to [i]begin with[/i] because he's been charged with felony poaching in Wisconsin. (he did shoot that bear with a bow though, he seems to be a devout bowhunter anyway) This guy is a trophy hunter and a poacher, fuck everything about him because he's the type of asshole that pisses off 99% of hunters and [i]especially[/i] the ones in Minnesota. He's the quintessential citiot who comes up north, shoots as many animals as they can, selects the [i]head[/i] of the best one and dumps the fucking carcasses along I-94 or highway 10. No fucking surprise the son of a bitch is from [i]Bloomington[/i] too, just about every single motherfucker I've met from that place has been an insufferable cunts. As a hunter and as a Minnesotan? This guy is a disgrace to both, I think. He doesn't give a fuck about the animals, (if he didn't he wouldn't have tracked a wounded animal for forty fucking hours, put it down as quickly as possible for fuck's sake) he doesn't give a shit about conserving the environment, and he certainly doesn't give a fuck about his impact on either of them. He's a wasteful, ungrateful, and arrogant son of a bitch and I hope they ship his ass off to fucking Zimbabwe because he apparently hasn't learned that poaching is a crime.
[QUOTE=download;48345494]While he's an idiot for not checking that his guide had all the proper documentation and licenses to hunt a lion, I don't think he's a criminal. [editline]1st August 2015[/editline] There are also far more important things in the world for all those people to be outraged at than a lion.[/QUOTE] Not knowing that hunting the lion was illegal doesn't actually make it legal. If someone is unaware that murder is illegal and kill someone, that doesn't make it legal. He is, by definition, a criminal by ILLEGALLY hunting.
[QUOTE=OvB;48345564]Has the US ever extradited someone?[/QUOTE] oh yeah not many in the grand scheme of things but definitely more than just ubercriminals
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48345634]Lions get killed all the time. Hell, rhinos have almost been hunted to extinction. But this animal had a name. Therefore it is [I]definitely[/I] more important.[/QUOTE] At least in my case, it isn't about what peopled called or didn't call him. I imagine this is the same for many other supporters of this extradition as well. It becomes more about overcoming common apathy, to latch onto a controversial detail as a means of knowing that you won't be the only one protesting an action you all agree is wrong. It's similar to why charity drives can be so successful. An excuse for collective action for the greater good ensures that your time won't go wasted.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48345612]Yes, the US has an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe for any criminal cases where the sentence would be longer than 1 year. Killing a lion in an area where it is not permitted, which is what this guy did despite having a proper permit, has a 10 year sentence. Zimbabwe has every legal right to ask for this but it's unlikely the US will since the chances of him receiving a fair trial are essentially zero.[/QUOTE] What the hell is the point of having the treaty if they can go 'sry we dont think it'll be a fair trial :^)'
Can't send him over, they'd hang him just for being white lol.
Yeah won't happen, the US wouldn't knowingly send one of their own citizens toward certain torture and possible death in another country, it's immoral by our standards. [sp]Before anyone says anything, we're also hypocrites[/sp]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48345790]Nah, fuck this guy. See, he shot the lion with a fucking crossbow because he couldn't go over there with a hunting rifle because he had absolutely no rifle to [i]begin with[/i] because he's been charged with felony poaching in Wisconsin. (he did shoot that bear with a bow though, he seems to be a devout bowhunter anyway) This guy is a trophy hunter and a poacher, fuck everything about him because he's the type of asshole that pisses off 99% of hunters and [i]especially[/i] the ones in Minnesota. He's the quintessential citiot who comes up north, shoots as many animals as they can, selects the [i]head[/i] of the best one and dumps the fucking carcasses along I-94 or highway 10. No fucking surprise the son of a bitch is from [i]Bloomington[/i] too, just about every single motherfucker I've met from that place has been an insufferable cunts. As a hunter and as a Minnesotan? This guy is a disgrace to both, I think. He doesn't give a fuck about the animals, (if he didn't he wouldn't have tracked a wounded animal for forty fucking hours, put it down as quickly as possible for fuck's sake) he doesn't give a shit about conserving the environment, and he certainly doesn't give a fuck about his impact on either of them. He's a wasteful, ungrateful, and arrogant son of a bitch and I hope they ship his ass off to fucking Zimbabwe because he apparently hasn't learned that poaching is a crime.[/QUOTE] Haha wow calm down there buddy, this guy's an asshole but you're sure as hell making a lot of assumptions about his character.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48345912]Haha wow calm down there buddy, this guy's an asshole but you're sure as hell making a lot of assumptions about his character.[/QUOTE]You'd have to live here your entire life to properly understand what type of person I'm talking about. You can instantly tell when one asks, "hey can I hunt on your land?" and the best course of action is to tell them to fuck off down the road. Oh, and to back up my claim about his character he's already poached [i]several[/i] times and he left Cecil's body headless and without a hide. He's a wasteful trophy hunter and a poacher, [i]fuck him.[/i]
I think hes an asshole for poaching and big game hunting. But I don't know if he really did anything illegal or was misled into doing something illegal. I think an extradition hearing would be appropriate and shed a lot of light on the situation.
Fuck this guy. Trophy hunting is ridiculously cruel and immoral.
I think there's a difference between extraditing someone to a developed country and sending them to somewhere like Zimbabwe. Mugabe has a habit of using 'Europeans' (in other words, white people) as a scapegoat for all of the country's problems, and whilst I think this guy is a colossal dickhead and he deserves a jail sentence, I'm somewhat concerned that he might disappear if they send him there.
Shame the internet witch hunt led to all of his relatives, their businesses, and their friends to be harassed to no end.
[QUOTE=Saxon;48346022]I think hes an asshole for poaching and big game hunting. But I don't know if he really did anything illegal or was misled into doing something illegal. I think an extradition hearing would be appropriate and shed a lot of light on the situation.[/QUOTE] The Zimbabwe officials claim he commited a crime and you would think after having been convicted of poaching previously he would be familiar with the laws by now ,you don't get to say "whoops my bad" the 4th Time around. What kind of hunter or fisherman claims ignorance when accused of poaching?When I fish I check restrictions and limits there have been days when I have tossed back 10 fish because of that. [editline]1st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;48346061]Shame the internet witch hunt led to all of his relatives, their businesses, and their friends to be harassed to no end.[/QUOTE] Odds are reddit had a good hand in that.
In the meantime, we have idiots like Kat Von D saying that [url=https://instagram.com/p/5vg0fpFSbG/]meat eaters are basically just as evil as this dentist[/url].
That burger I ate for dinner did not come from a threatened species nor was that cow important to a country's wildlife tourism.
[QUOTE=JesseR92;48346148]That burger I ate for dinner did not come from a threatened species nor was that cow important to a country's wildlife tourism.[/QUOTE] Good luck explaining that to someone like her... chances are, all that tofu she eats ruined her cognitive skills down to those of a newborn puppy. [editline]1st August 2015[/editline] Her "response" to her post [hd]https://youtu.be/w9lgDUt1ewM[/hd] "I... um, ahh..." A newborn puppy.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48346133]In the meantime, we have idiots like Kat Von D saying that [url=https://instagram.com/p/5vg0fpFSbG/]meat eaters are basically just as evil as this dentist[/url].[/QUOTE] They are....we are basically on the same level. Yes, actually, financing the birth of genetically deformed (as in, will 100% suffer even if not killed) chickens to be later killed to be eaten....is no worse than paying a couple thousand bucks, going out somewhere and kill a lion. After, we're not taking into the equation whether that animal belongs to an endangered species or if it's important to tourism. Either you give a fuck about any animal, or you give no fucks about all animals. Like those people who eats cows, then hear about the chinese eating dogs and go like "OH NOT THAT'S FUCKED UP" Considerating something only depending on a external and not internal value....is somewhat fucked up. But yeah, I do it, I want to keep eating chicken breasts. I don't really care. EDIT: That guy has right now another name and is living in another country. That's for sure. My bets are on a south or central american country.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48346304]They are....we are basically on the same level. Yes, actually, financing the birth of genetically deformed (as in, will 100% suffer even if not killed) chickens to be later killed to be eaten....is no worse than paying a couple thousand bucks, going out somewhere and kill a lion. After, we're not taking into the equation whether that animal belongs to an endangered species or if it's important to tourism. Either you give a fuck about any animal, or you give no fucks about all animals. Like those people who eats cows, then hear about the chinese eating dogs and go like "OH NOT THAT'S FUCKED UP" Considerating something only depending on a external and not internal value....is somewhat fucked up. But yeah, I do it, I want to keep eating chicken breasts. I don't really care. EDIT: That guy has right now another name and is living in another country. That's for sure. My bets are on a south or central american country.[/QUOTE] LOL do you seriously believe that a lion's existence is exactly equal to a chicken's? One is an apex predator born and raised in the wild, another is a domesticated animal bred over many generations to be eaten by humans.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48345634] Lions get killed all the time. Hell, rhinos have almost been hunted to extinction. But this animal had a name. Therefore it is [I]definitely[/I] more important.[/QUOTE] People who go "but its just a lion!111" fail to realise that what this man did is basically the same as breaking into someone's house, shooting their dog, skinning it and then putting it up as a prize on your wall. + paying 10k to some dude.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48346304]They are....we are basically on the same level. Yes, actually, financing the birth of genetically deformed (as in, will 100% suffer even if not killed) chickens to be later killed to be eaten....is no worse than paying a couple thousand bucks, going out somewhere and kill a lion. After, we're not taking into the equation whether that animal belongs to an endangered species or if it's important to tourism. Either you give a fuck about any animal, or you give no fucks about all animals. Like those people who eats cows, then hear about the chinese eating dogs and go like "OH NOT THAT'S FUCKED UP" Considerating something only depending on a external and not internal value....is somewhat fucked up. But yeah, I do it, I want to keep eating chicken breasts. I don't really care. EDIT: That guy has right now another name and is living in another country. That's for sure. My bets are on a south or central american country.[/QUOTE] The Chinese believe torturing dogs makes them taste better iirc
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