[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAcjV60RnRw&feature=g-logo-xit[/media]
on a side note, having an algorithm to proceduraly generate a score of music generally creates boring or annoying songs. So even though when he mentions about quantifying the space where a music we listen to exists we haven't captured the soul of an artist.
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this assumes you use common western scales, eastern scales make use of microtones. multiply the number by about 8 for that, and another 10 for orchestral tunings. it also makes no provision for chords, so multiply by about 1200 for that.
most notably, it makes no mention at all of actually following scales. While a tune like G# F D F# Eb B Gb C# is certainly possible, it's going to sound bad, so cut it by about 99.9% and you've got the actual number of possible songs rather than possible atonal series of noises
With the direction popular music is going these days
I hope we fucking do
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38560564]this assumes you use common western scales, eastern scales make use of microtones. multiply the number by about 8 for that, and another 10 for orchestral tunings. it also makes no provision for chords, so multiply by about 1200 for that.
most notably, it makes no mention at all of actually following scales. While a tune like G# F D F# Eb B Gb C# is certainly possible, it's going to sound bad, so cut it by about 99.9% and you've got the actual number of possible songs rather than possible atonal series of noises[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Rhythm, voicing, and timbre play an incredibly large role in how good music sounds to us. For example, playing dubstep on piano isn't necessarily that entertaining, even if the original track is awesome. When you take into account timbre the possibilities become damn near endless because certain instruments sound better playing different series of notes that might not necessarily follow the 'rules' of western music theory.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38560709]Not necessarily. Rhythm, voicing, and timbre play an incredibly large role in how good music sounds to us. For example, playing dubstep on piano isn't necessarily that entertaining, even if the original track is awesome. When you take into account timbre the possibilities become damn near endless because certain instruments sound better playing different series of notes that might not necessarily follow the 'rules' of western music theory.[/QUOTE]
I'm ignoring those factors completely because they add such a colossal and incalculable amount of possibilities to music. just talking his definition of what makes music: the melody
[QUOTE=Nemisis116;38560604]With the direction popular music is going these days
I hope we fucking do[/QUOTE]
Then don't listen to fucking popular music.
[QUOTE=TehDoctorz;38560800]Then don't listen to fucking popular music.[/QUOTE]
Kinda hard to do when every fucking hole is fucking filled with fucking love fucking songs and fucking bimbo fucking bullfuckshit and fucking typical fucketyrun of the fucking mill shit.
I can use swears too, and that doesn't make me cool either. Please you do too so your argument doesn't sound like a typical preteen hick's reply.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;38560901]Kinda hard to do when every fucking hole is fucking filled with fucking love fucking songs and fucking bimbo fucking bullfuckshit and fucking typical fucketyrun of the fucking mill shit.
I can use swears too, and that doesn't make me cool either. Please you do too so your argument doesn't sound like a typical preteen hick's reply.[/QUOTE]
no cussing club official member
[QUOTE=TehDoctorz;38560800]Then don't listen to fucking popular music.[/QUOTE]
I personally don't
But every other form of media ever does
Its unavoidable you will hear it and there is nothing you can do about that
[QUOTE=Nemisis116;38560943]I personally don't
But every other form of media ever does
Its unavoidable you will hear it and there is nothing you can do about that[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I meant.
I miss when songs were about something other than different things related to romance, like how fun it is to chill and listen to the radio (Radio Gaga, Queen), how excessive hedonism corrupts one's life (Feel Good Inc., Gorillaz) , A badass variation of the story of the boy who cried wolf (Iron Man, Black Sabbath) and a rollercoaster of musical styles in the span of few minutes (Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen).
This also doesn't take into account avant-garde and noise music.
Me might mathematically run out of melodies someday, but I highly doubt we will run out timbres.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;38560970]Exactly what I meant.
I miss when songs were about something other than different things related to romance, like how fun it is to chill and listen to the radio (Radio Gaga, Queen), how excessive hedonism corrupts one's life (Feel Good Inc., Gorillaz) , A badass variation of the story of the boy who cried wolf (Iron Man, Black Sabbath) and a rollercoaster of musical styles in the span of few minutes (Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen).[/QUOTE]
radio ga ga is partially about how bad popular music was at the time
don't think that you're the first generation to think modern pop is shit
Oh look, another burgeoning popular music argument
How about we all get over ourselves and stop wanking off to the idea that we're special for not liking music that the radio plays and we can save ourselves a whole lot of trouble for the next 50 pages
Good music is being made all the time, whether it be popular or not. You just have to look for it.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;38560970]Exactly what I meant.
I miss when songs were about something other than different things related to romance, like how fun it is to chill and listen to the radio (Radio Gaga, Queen), how excessive hedonism corrupts one's life (Feel Good Inc., Gorillaz) , A badass variation of the story of the boy who cried wolf (Iron Man, Black Sabbath) and a rollercoaster of musical styles in the span of few minutes (Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen).[/QUOTE]
but music was almost all about romance back then too
you are talking about specific examples of unique music, and you can do the same for any decade out there.
music is actually a lot better now since the distribution isnt completely dominated by corporate record labels anymore. nowadays anybody can download audacity, grab a microphone, and record an album. back in the old days it took studios that costed hundreds of thousands of dollars to make albums
so yea you arent putting in enough effort regarding music
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38561304]
so yea you arent putting in enough effort regarding music[/QUOTE]
You mean companies producing it?
First time I watched a Vsauce video without hating him.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;38561322]You mean companies producing it?[/QUOTE]
no you arent putting in enough effort finding music if you think the quality of music has gone down in later generations...
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38561344]no you arent putting in enough effort finding music if you think the quality of music has gone down in later generations...[/QUOTE]
I do not feel like swimming through piles of crap to find the cream of the said crap.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;38561424]I do not feel like swimming through piles of crap to find the cream of the said crap.[/QUOTE]
you did it with 60s music
[QUOTE=Nemisis116;38560943]I personally don't
But every other form of media ever does
Its unavoidable you will hear it and there is nothing you can do about that[/QUOTE]
Uh, yes there is. It's called the MP3 player.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38561451]you did it with 60s music[/QUOTE]
Do name some.
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[QUOTE=Nitro836;38561424]I do not feel like swimming through piles of crap to find the cream of the said crap.[/QUOTE]
I do swim through crap and find myself good music, but there is always something, but I always go and listen older songs for some reason, I don't know why, they have more charm perhaps.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;38560970]Exactly what I meant.
I miss when songs were about something other than different things related to romance, like how fun it is to chill and listen to the radio (Radio Gaga, Queen), how excessive hedonism corrupts one's life (Feel Good Inc., Gorillaz) , A badass variation of the story of the boy who cried wolf (Iron Man, Black Sabbath) and a rollercoaster of musical styles in the span of few minutes (Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen).[/QUOTE]
songs are still about that
you can still go to bandcamp or whatever and listen to shitloads of music like that
the problem is that you don't like [B]popular[/B] music which is made for the populace and is therefore simple and fad-creating/fad-following
My brain started melting at all of the numbers. Numbers.
There's a lot of numbers. Mr. Number said "N-N-N-N-N-N-Numbers!" before penetrating the thin wall which held all of the numbers.
I want to hear one of those nonexistent conversations with my parents
While I'm assuming just about every chord progression in existence has in fact been used, people will continue to use them because you can still strive for a different way of arranging or texturizing sound, and that's what really makes music quite dynamic. You could play the same melody on a different instrument and instantly the feel is entirely different.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;38562877]songs are still about that
you can still go to bandcamp or whatever and listen to shitloads of music like that
the problem is that you don't like [B]popular[/B] music which is made for the populace and is therefore simple and fad-creating/fad-following[/QUOTE]
Well put. Not fan of too simple music, I'm not. Not saying simple is bad, but just ain't my taste. But talking about musical tastes is an incendiary subject, so I will refrain from adding to this line of conversation any more.
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