I personally like the GTX 1060 over the RX 480 even though people say that the RX 480 has untapped potential that not many games take advantage of.
What do you facepunchers think?
Facts:
GTX 1060 usually does better in benchmarks than the RX 480 right now
Nvidia's GPUs are used in a lot of pro gaming desktops on the market
[highlight]Nvidia's GPUs have spectacular SLI support[/highlight]
[QUOTE=meharryp;50840440]1060 does not support SLI.[/QUOTE]
NEVERMIND.
You can get a good deal on GTX 1060s for about 250
Price difference not that big
1060 does not support SLI. If you plan on having 2 cards you're stuck with the 480 since nvidia disabled it for some reason. 1060 has all the nvidia propertiery stuff so in any gameworks game it'll outperform the 480. 480 tends to be within a few fps in dx12 and Vulkan so if you want to save money but get a possibly better experience in the future then the 480 is best for that. I have a 480 8gb reference and can vouch for it as a brilliant card for a great price, can't speak for the 1060 though.
[QUOTE=meharryp;50840440]1060 does not support SLI. If you plan on having 2 cards you're stuck with the 480 since nvidia disabled it for some reason. 1060 has all the nvidia propertiery stuff so in any gameworks game it'll outperform the 480. 480 tends to be within a few fps in dx12 and Vulkan so if you want to save money but get a possibly better experience in the future then the 480 is best for that. I have a 480 8gb reference and can vouch for it as a brilliant card for a great price, can't speak for the 1060 though.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoanTrMenI"] Seems like the RX 480 has high fps bumps with DirectX12[/URL]... and Vulkan too.
It's a tough choice, and not as clear cut as some might make it out to be. If you look at benchmarks from [URL="http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1748?vs=1771"]Anandtech[/URL] and [URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-review"]Digital Foundry[/URL], you'll see that the GTX 1060 does better in most DX11 games, but with Hitman the 480 is faster in both DX11 and DX12. By contrast, the 480 seems to do better in DX12 games, but then Tomb Raider bucks that trend with the GTX 1060 coming out on top.
While it's true AMD's hardware does stuff like asynchronous compute better than than Nvidia's, it's difficult to tell whether developers will actually make significant use of it in the near future. Another thing to consider is that while the GTX 1060 doesn't support SLI, DX12's built-in multi-GPU support could render that fact irrelevant, but again it comes down to developers supporting it.
The best way to differentiate these cards is to look other at factors like software support (Nvidia's Shadowplay and AMD's WattMan for example), monitor support (GSYNC vs FreeSync), power draw, noise, and pack-in game promotions, and see what looks best to you.
iirc the 1060 is great on DX11 and alright on DX12 and Vulkan, the RX 480 is alright on DX11 but crushes everything on DX12 and Vulkan
not a lot of games use them though
Rx 470 might be better price perf
[QUOTE=Wiggles;50840535]It's a tough choice, and not as clear cut as some might make it out to be. If you look at benchmarks from [URL="http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1748?vs=1771"]Anandtech[/URL] and [URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-review"]Digital Foundry[/URL], you'll see that the GTX 1060 does better in most DX11 games, but with Hitman the 480 is faster in both DX11 and DX12. By contrast, the 480 seems to do better in DX12 games, but then Tomb Raider bucks that trend with the GTX 1060 coming out on top.
While it's true AMD's hardware does stuff like asynchronous compute better than than Nvidia's, it's difficult to tell whether developers will actually make significant use of it in the near future. Another thing to consider is that while the GTX 1060 doesn't support SLI, DX12's built-in multi-GPU support could render that fact irrelevant, but again it comes down to developers supporting it.
The best way to differentiate these cards is to look other at factors like software support (Nvidia's Shadowplay and AMD's WattMan for example), monitor support (GSYNC vs FreeSync), power draw, noise, and pack-in game promotions, and see what looks best to you.[/QUOTE]
If Shadowplay is a major selling point to you, [url=https://plays.tv/]plays.tv[/url] is practically the same exact thing: Use the GPU's hardware video encoder in order to constantly record gameplay for full session recording, last x second recording, or manual recording.
which is better for opencl?
AMD because I don't like Nvidia's business practices (Gameworks, "Game-ready" updates, etc.) while AMD focuses on open source (and even officially supports Linux with their 480!)
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;50841161]AMD because I don't like Nvidia's business practices (Gameworks, "Game-ready" updates, etc.) while AMD focuses on open source (and even officially supports Linux with their 480!)[/QUOTE]
Personally whenever I buy components, I try to go for the best price:performance ratio. Usually that means AMD, but if an Nvidia card is clearly better I'd go for Nvidia. However, in cases like this where it's really close I'd probably lean AMD, partly because of their commitment to open source but also partly because I wanna see AMD do well because I don't want to see an Nvidia monopoly.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50841273]Personally whenever I buy components, I try to go for the best price:performance ratio. Usually that means AMD, but if an Nvidia card is clearly better I'd go for Nvidia. However, in cases like this where it's really close I'd probably lean AMD, partly because of their commitment to open source but also partly because I wanna see AMD do well because I don't want to see an Nvidia monopoly.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly how I feel.
When it's this close, go with whoever company you like more, honestly.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;50841161]AMD because I don't like Nvidia's business practices (Gameworks, "Game-ready" updates, etc.) while AMD focuses on open source (and even officially supports Linux with their 480!)[/QUOTE]
NVIDIA supports the 1060 on Linux as well.
And the open-source situation is kind of weird. AMD doesn't really go all the way, requiring a proprietary firmware blob, and their latest GPU driver that you need for best performance is closed-source. In addition to that historically NVIDIA has supported open things such as OpenGL better.
If AMD freed that driver and made the blobs required by their CPUs and GPUs free as well then I'd support them much more than NVIDIA/Intel for those reasons, but they really just half-ass it.
Also OP, assuming that I was playing on a 1080p 60 fps monitor, I'd probably get the RX 480 and optimistically hope that vulkan spreads a lot in the future, since vulkan on the RX 480 crushes the 1060 generally. Old directx 11 games will still generally get 1080p 60 fps on either.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;50840535]It's a tough choice, and not as clear cut as some might make it out to be. If you look at benchmarks from [URL="http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1748?vs=1771"]Anandtech[/URL] and [URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-review"]Digital Foundry[/URL], you'll see that the GTX 1060 does better in most DX11 games, but with Hitman the 480 is faster in both DX11 and DX12. By contrast, the 480 seems to do better in DX12 games, but then Tomb Raider bucks that trend with the GTX 1060 coming out on top.
While it's true AMD's hardware does stuff like asynchronous compute better than than Nvidia's, it's difficult to tell whether developers will actually make significant use of it in the near future. Another thing to consider is that while the GTX 1060 doesn't support SLI, DX12's built-in multi-GPU support could render that fact irrelevant, but again it comes down to developers supporting it.
The best way to differentiate these cards is to look other at factors like software support (Nvidia's Shadowplay and AMD's WattMan for example), monitor support (GSYNC vs FreeSync), power draw, noise, and pack-in game promotions, and see what looks best to you.[/QUOTE]
It should be noted that a 16.7.3 gave the RX 480 a ~10% bump in RotTR, but Anand's result is with 16.7.2, and I suspect that DF's is with launch drivers. Not to suggest they did this on purpose or whatever, but the 10% is actually a pretty large increase that takes it a fair bit closer to the 1060 when you add Async.
Anyway, I basically agree with your post. If you don't care about power draw (and honestly, I don't think it really matters at 150W in a desktop), I'd say the 4GB (if you can find it) RX 480 (or well, the RX 470) is a great deal with the 1060 (non-FE) being favourable compared to the 8GB model - unless you want to speculate about future games. Don't get a reference RX 480, though, the cooler is pretty bad.
i was originally going for the RX480, ive had AMD cards in my system for the past 5 years but ended up with a GTX 1060 STRIX OC cause i got a ridiculous deal on it at the place where i work, i paid 270 dollars which is what a reference 480 costs here in denmark. compared to the stock 480s horrible cooler and overclocking headroom, the 1060 maxes out with 64C at almost 2000MHz on the core which is absolutely incredible. this card is normally 450 dollars and i wouldve never paid that price for a mid range gpu, let alone an nvidia card. i dislike their monopoly in general but this time around i really couldn't find a reason to pass up on this offer
right off the bat i noticed how welcoming and sleek the entire nvidia experience is, you get the same kind of feeling when you buy something like an iPhone and are greeted by the iOS screen for the first time. it truly feels premium, not to mention geforce experience (beta) and shadowplay are just amazing and easy to use. AMD is slowly getting there with the recent Crimson drivers, but it's still not quite as great
the performance jump this year is amazing too. Both cards generally perform somewhere between the 970 and 980. i upgraded from a HD 7970 which was starting to perform worse and worse in most of my games as well as artifacting really badly even on light overclocking. in the end i chose the 1060 over the RX 480 because i was able to buy a card with better performance, cooling and overclocking capability than the reference 480 for less money. if youre hopeful enough about Vulkan becoming mainstream then the RX 480 might be the better choice
[QUOTE=Lavacoal123;50840423]
Nvidia's GPUs are used in a lot of pro gaming desktops on the market
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PRO gaming desktops don’t really exist. “Pro’s” use custom/Sponsored builds. What you are looking at are just random pre-builds who named their PC “PRO”. Most pre-builds like Alienware, are pretty bad btw.
The reason Nvidia was overrepresented in pre-builds is because of their far superior marketing. And currently its because AMD doesn’t have an answer to the 1080/1070 in its current lineup. So 1500$+ Prebuilds are automatically going to have a 1070/1080
Watch this as well:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V54W4p1mCu4[/url]
I personally would buy an rx480. Reasons:
1: It allows Crossfire. (AMD SLI) which doubles power in dx12 games. SO you can upgrade your setup easily in the future by just adding another 480.
2: Free sync monitors(AMD) are much much cheaper than G-Sync(NVidia) monitors. While they do the exact same thing.
3: Dislike for Nvidia’s questionable and anti-competitive business practises.
Reasons to go for the 1060:
1: Slightly faster in current games.
2: Nvidia Gameworks acces.
[QUOTE=taipan;50847677]
1: It allows Crossfire. (AMD SLI) which doubles power in dx12 games. SO you can upgrade your setup easily in the future by just adding another 480.[/QUOTE]
If a game supports dx12 multi adapter then it'll also work with nvidia devices. It doesn't require a SLI bridge.
And in reality crossfire (and SLI) support in most games right now is shit or nonexistent so you're better off running off a single GPU
[QUOTE=Goz3rr;50847971]If a game supports dx12 multi adapter then it'll also work with nvidia devices. It doesn't require a SLI bridge.
And in reality crossfire (and SLI) support in most games right now is shit or nonexistent so you're better off running off a single GPU[/QUOTE]
Didnt know about dx12 SLI without a bridge. But that still leaves the issue of dx11 SLI.
[B]On the game support:[/B]
DX12 makes CF/SLI support native. So no game specific drivers needed.
[URL]http://wccftech.com/microsoft-confirms-directx-12-amd-nvidia-multigpu-configurations/[/URL]
As always however, we need to wait for benchmarks to see if any of this is actually true or not.
Well it's not a 480, but I got just ordered a 460 with 4GB.
I don't seem them on amazon but they're on newegg, 5 dollar shipping and the cheapest is $109 us.
Though, probably save your money folks for a 480
I've done sli with a 970 and fuck all games support it
ones that do either don't work at all and make the game run worse, or they run amazingly but there are so few that support it well at all that it's not worth it
[editline]9th August 2016[/editline]
SLI is really just a scam to get idiots to buy 2 GPU's in all honesty
it's even more useless if you run a 4k set up name the extremely minimal amount of games that both
1. Support it
2. Aren't lying and actually indeed support it
and you know whats fucked up too? The 2 games that exist and 100% do work with it run amazing in SLI.
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