[quote]New York (CNN) -- The first week of a lawsuit seeking to reform New York's stop-and-frisk policy featured emotional accounts from men who say police stopped them for no reason and NYPD officers who say mandated quotas forced them to make unnecessary stops.
The federal class-action lawsuit, Floyd v. City of New York, claims police routinely stop minority men without a legal reason. It was filed in 2008.
Officer Adhyl Polanco, an eight-year veteran of the NYPD who works in the Bronx, testified Tuesday that he was told at a daily roll call that he had to log at least five stop-and-frisks, make one arrest and write 20 tickets each month, according to CNN affiliate NY1.
"They said, 'You do it or you are going to become a Pizza Hut deliveryman,'" Polanco said. "I started recording it because I could not believe what I was hearing."
The practice in which police stop, question and frisk people they consider suspicious has been widely criticized, but the police department says it is used to deter crime. According to the New York Civil Liberties Union, the NYPD logged its 5 millionth stop-and-frisk under Mayor Michael Bloomberg last week.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/justice/new-york-stop-and-frisk-trial/index.html?hpt=ju_c2[/url]
Bloomberg you piece of shit. Fuck off.
Next thing you know there'll be beating quota.
The whole idea of quotas for police is strange to me.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40041436]The whole idea of quotas for police is strange to me.[/QUOTE]
"As an intended protector of the peace, you must take money from as well as violate the privacy of a minimum amount of citizens per month!"
Nope can't see anything wrong with that :v:
I actually saw someone get stopped and frisked after he pointed out to the police that something was happening down the street. It honestly looked like he was getting molested over something more important that could be have been happening right around the corner.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40041436]The whole idea of quotas for police is strange to me.[/QUOTE]
You can't have a cop that does nothing.
There's been a history of shitty quotas with the NYPD. Adrian Schoolcraft was a whistleblower police officer in one of these cases, he recorded his superiors for years, he was on NPR - This American Life about it a few years back: [url]http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent[/url]
Here's a transcript: [url]http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/transcript[/url]
[QUOTE]At the time that he led the raid on Schoolcraft's apartment, Deputy Chief Michael Marino was already under a microscope. It was just a month after he had been put on trial inside the department after a sting named him as one of 27 cops who illegally bought human growth hormone, or steroids. Marino claimed that he used the human growth hormone for a medical condition. And back in 2006, an arbitrator found that Marino was in violation of New York labor laws for a very similar situation to the one that Schoolcraft was documenting.[B] The arbitrator ruled that Marino had set up an illegal quota for police officers of four parking tickets, three moving violations, three quality of life summons, and two stop-and-frisk per month and then penalized the officers when they didn't make the quota.[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [B]Because officially the NYPD doesn't allow numeric quotas to be tied to job performance, you hear the supervisors in the recording sometimes get into real verbal contortions to get the point across. Like in this excerpt from a roll call the first month that Schoolcraft was recording, June 2008.[/B]
Police Sergeant: The XO was in the other day. I don't know who was here. He actually laid down a number.
Ira Glass: I'm just going to repeat this because it's hard to hear. "The XO was in the other day," that's a commanding officer, right?
Adrian Schoolcraft: The Execuitve Officer.
Ira Glass: Or, the Executive Officer. --"was in the other day. He laid down a number."
[B]Police Sergeant: All right. So, I'm not going to quote him on that, because I don't want to be quoted stating numbers.[/B]
Ira Glass: I'm not going to quote him on that, because I don't want to be quoted stating members.
[B]Police Sergeant: All right. He wants at least three seat belts, one cell phone, and 11 others.[/B]
Ira Glass: "He wants three seat belts, one cell phone, and 11 others." What does that mean?
Adrian Schoolcraft: He wants three seat-belt summonses, tickets for people not wearing their seat-belt, one cell phone, someone driving in their car talking on the cell phone, and eleven others, there are dozens of other categories of summonses that you can give people.
Police Sergeant: I don't know what the number is, but that's what he wants.
Ira Glass: I don't know what the number is, but that's what he wants. That's a really-- what does that mean?
[B]Adrian Schoolcraft: He's playing the same game. He knows he's not supposed to state a number, but he wants to get his point across. So it's kind of like, if you remember All the President's Men, it's a non-denial denial.[/B][/QUOTE]
No surprises there, we all know that all police departments have quotas for tickets and arrests. It's just too bad the NYPD has quotas for unconstitutional, unjustified searches.
Seriously, Bloomberg has turned New York into Orwell's London. And his official public statement on the matter of cameras on every corner and drones in the sky?
[b]Get used to it.[/b]
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bloomberg-new-york-eventually-surveillance-city-article-1.1296103[/url]
Fuck him, I don't intend to ever set foot in the civil liberties nightmare that NYC has turned into.
Better system than quotas: if the cops arent finding enough to do, get rid of some cops
[QUOTE=Mattk50;40042255]Better system than quotas: if the cops arent finding enough to do, get rid of some cops[/QUOTE]
There really isn't any right answer when it comes to ticket quotas. How do you measure effectiveness of police? Number of arrests/tickets doesn't necessarily equate to being effective, because you have to go to court and have all that shit proven anyway. Crime rates being low might not mean that the police are doing a good job, it might just mean that the area has less poverty and unemployment. Quotas just make police resort to petty technicalities, which given, still count as "breaking the law", but shouldn't those laws be enforced equally all the time? It seems like I see people doing 5 miles over in a 30 all the time, even cops themselves, but come the end of the month, people are being pulled over for doing just that.
It's really just a question on how you gauge effectiveness of a police force. On one hand you have a bit of an ethical grey area, and the other you risk having the police understaffed, leading to poor patrol coverage.
[QUOTE=NeoAznMan;40041363]Next thing you know there'll be beating quota.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40041292][URL]http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/justice/new-york-stop-and-frisk-trial/index.html?hpt=ju_c2[/URL][/QUOTE]
this is pretty bad, but it's been common knowledge for a while. i saw a video on it a couple months ago i think.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGc505WuxpE[/media]
it's fucking crazy how a supposedly civilized nation could do shit like this. i don't wanna sound like a tinfoil hat guy, but it is legitimately police-state sorta shit.
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
this is frustrating as shit. what are you supposed to do when the people who are supposed to protect you are the ones threatening you? who are you going to call when the police are acting crooked?
Not really surprised. The cops where I live usually tend to make more arrests towards the end of the month because of these quotas, it's rather unnerving to see cops twice as active at the end of each month.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40042579]this is pretty bad, but it's been common knowledge for a while. i saw a video on it a couple months ago i think.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGc505WuxpE[/media]
it's fucking crazy how a supposedly civilized nation could do shit like this. i don't wanna sound like a tinfoil hat guy, but it is legitimately police-state sorta shit.
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
this is frustrating as shit. what are you supposed to do when the people who are supposed to protect you are the ones threatening you? who are you going to call when the police are acting crooked?[/QUOTE]
I forget which state did it but they allowed you to shoot cops if they're illegally doing something something but you probably just end up dead from his buddy cops.
[QUOTE=Dysgalt;40042619]I forget which state did it but they allowed you to shoot cops if they're illegally doing something something but you probably just end up dead from his buddy cops.[/QUOTE]
i think the supreme court ruled that the rights to self-defense, including lethal force, apply with police if they are unlawfully trying to hurt you.
however, in reality it doesn't really work out because it would probably devolve into a shootout/standoff and those never end well.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40042638]i think the supreme court ruled that the rights to self-defense, including lethal force, apply with police if they are unlawfully trying to hurt you.
however, in reality it doesn't really work out because it would probably devolve into a shootout/standoff and those never end well.[/QUOTE]
Ah wasn't aware of that, thanks for the info I might aswell read into that later.
Start calling DarkRP, New York RP.
Bloomberg is such a control freak, 16oz Soda, banning gun's, random searches.. what's next?
[QUOTE=Lolx0rz;40041665]You can't have a cop that does nothing.[/QUOTE]
Y'see, in my mind, a cop that does nothing could, potentially, be a damn good cop. What if there's just nothing for the cop to do? If absolutely everyone is obeying the law, he can't possibly keep those quotas.
[QUOTE=Riller;40043558]Y'see, in my mind, a cop that does nothing could, potentially, be a damn good cop. What if there's just nothing for the cop to do? If absolutely everyone is obeying the law, he can't possibly keep those quotas.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying quotas are a good thing, it's just the easiest way to make sure lazy cops do their job. [SUB][SUB]Not that it works.[/SUB][/SUB]
Citizen disarmament, illegal search and arrest quotas, widespread surveillance networks, setting up statewide hotlines for people to report their neighbors for money... New York sure is a great place to live!
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