Neo-Nazis tried to crash a welcome party for migrants and refugees in Germany - Polidicks

[b]Neo-Nazis Tried to Crash a Welcome Party for Migrants and Refugees in Germany[/b] Via [url=https://news.vice.com/article/neo-nazis-tried-to-crash-a-welcome-party-for-migrants-and-refugees-in-germany?utm_source=vicenewstwitter]Vice News[/url] ____________________ [quote]Neo-Nazis shouted anti-immigrant slogans and clashed with police and volunteers who had gathered to donate help and supplies to migrants and refugees arriving at a German train station on Saturday. At least 26 members of the far-right group Die Rechte arrived at the Dortmund train station shouting "Germany for the Germans, foreigners out," and "Nationalism purely in the heart," according to the German newspaper Die Welt. The group arrived as hundreds of good Samaritans were readying for the arrival of 1,400 migrants and refuges, just a fraction of the tens of thousands of people who have been attempting to reach Germany. While police attempted to keep the neo-Nazis from clashing with anti-Nazi protesters, tensions escalated when the cops attempted to remove the far-right group members from the station. Video from the scene shows the anti-Nazi crowd chanting "Nazis, get out!" as police and protesters surge through the main entryway of the station. According to Die Welt, anti-Nazi protesters started throwing bottles and coffee cups, forcing the police to use pepper spray and move the neo-Nazi members into a nearby store. [hd]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=relNQoZpL_o[/hd][/quote] Guess it was a matter of time...

What a bunch of shitheads.

I'm ashamed to live in the same country as these fuckers. They just make me want to puke.

[QUOTE=Robinate;48627084]I'm ashamed to live in the same country as these fuckers. They just make me want to puke.[/QUOTE] Hey, if you do, at least you know where to aim it :v:

While they are shitheads, the situation in Syria is only getting worse as Russia is escalating the whole thing by rearming Assad and providing troops for him to guard Damascus Europe can't be the dumping ground for the Middle East people and its only going to cause further problems later when people start calling for the refugees to leave

[QUOTE=Sableye;48627096]While they are shitheads, the situation in Syria is only getting worse as Russia is escalating the whole thing by rearming Assad and providing troops for him to guard Damascus Europe can't be the dumping ground for the Middle East people and its only going to cause further problems later when people start calling for the refugees to leave[/QUOTE] I agree. We need to do something to stop the source of the refugees. Most of the people coming here don't want to come here, after all and there is only so much space in Europe until countries cannot afford to house any more of them

I'm still confused as to why the refugees have to goto Germany over just going to their neighbors. Can someone please explain why they cannot just goto Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627162]I'm still confused as to why the refugees have to goto Germany over just going to their neighbors. Can someone please explain why they cannot just goto Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan?[/QUOTE] Because they aren't refugees, they're economic migrants. Like the Father of that child who washed up on the beach, they lived in turkey fine for 3 years prior but he wanted more money and free dental care. This whole situation is a fucking joke, the only reason people are so welcoming to them is because it makes them feel good inside.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627162]I'm still confused as to why the refugees have to goto Germany over just going to their neighbors. Can someone please explain why they cannot just goto Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan?[/QUOTE] Because Germany is the richest and most stable country in Europe and offers the best chance for them to live out a decent life.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627162]I'm still confused as to why the refugees have to goto Germany over just going to their neighbors. Can someone please explain why they cannot just goto Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan?[/QUOTE] How do you know they aren't? Afaik those countries are flooded as well

The thing is though, once Germany accepts them, they can move to any country in the EU, and while I'm would be happy to help a refugee during a time of conflict, I wouldn't want to play host indefinitely to an economic migrant.

[QUOTE=Trounark;48627190]Because Germany is the richest and most stable country in Europe and offers the best chance for them to live out a decent life.[/QUOTE] But if you are a refugee, that mostly entails you plan on returning to your homeland when the war ends. At least that what I thought being a refugee means. You know just trying to get away from the warzone so you can live safely, and return after the war to rebuild.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627162]. Can someone please explain why they cannot just goto Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan?[/QUOTE] "Hey lets leave this horrific warzone and go to another horrific warzone"

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;48627193]How do you know they aren't? Afaik those countries are flooded as well[/QUOTE] Because it doesn't make that much sense to travel through about ten to twelve nations to reach a fairly specific one in Europe. Almost all the nations along the way with some exceptions to Greece are open arms to the refugees, and are offering food and shelter to them. It confuses me as to why they do not stop at those nations, and instead continue onward.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;48627208]"Hey lets leave this horrific warzone and go to another horrific warzone"[/QUOTE] Umm....

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627205]But if you are a refugee, that mostly entails you plan on returning to your homeland when the war ends. At least that what I thought being a refugee means. You know just trying to get away from the warzone so you can live safely, and return after the war to rebuild.[/QUOTE] It doesn't appear as if they will be able to return if Assad continues to kill civilians en masse on a daily basis and by a number of different means. The west is in a difficult situation in regard to challenging Assad's regime and providing and confirming a safe home to return for refugees. Assad was the main target of the west at one time but as the perceived threat from IS increased in severity the coalition has been forced to co-operate with Assad in order to target IS forces, thus compromising their position against Assad. Other influences such as Russia's support for Assad are reinforcing the possibility that these refugees will not be able to return to their home. [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627211]Because it doesn't make that much sense to travel through about ten to twelve nations to reach a fairly specific one in Europe. Almost all the nations along the way with some exceptions to Greece are open arms to the refugees, and are offering food and shelter to them. It confuses me as to why they do not stop at those nations, and instead continue onward.[/QUOTE] Support is better in Germany and there's a chance that a lot of these people can stay in the country to make a living for themselves that they would not have been able to make otherwise. There may even be a feeling that refugees will not be able to return. It's a little like Polish immigrants from the second world war arriving in Britain and staying thereafter. Their country was consumed and there was a real threat of death and that living there would no longer be possible. It is true that in this case these people may be economic migrants as well as refugees fleeing a war zone.

[QUOTE=Jame's;48627189]Because they aren't refugees, they're economic migrants. Like the Father of that child who washed up on the beach, they lived in turkey fine for 3 years prior but he wanted more money and free dental care. This whole situation is a fucking joke, the only reason people are so welcoming to them is because it makes them feel good inside.[/QUOTE] Underrated post

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627211]Because it doesn't make that much sense to travel through about ten to twelve nations to reach a fairly specific one in Europe. Almost all the nations along the way with some exceptions to Greece are open arms to the refugees, and are offering food and shelter to them. It confuses me as to why they do not stop at those nations, and instead continue onward.[/QUOTE] Like a Belgian politician aptly put recently, these people aren't just war refugees, but also economic immigrants. Hence their refusal to be nationalised in, let's say, Hungary; and prefering to trek all the way to wealthier countries like Germany and Sweden (which already have their share of immigration problems in regular circumstances). Plus, some countries like Poland and the Czech Republic refuse to help out, and oppose a refugee redistribution plan from the EU. Seems that solidarity is a one-way street. Still, neo-nazis are shitheads, and we can't turn these people away.

[QUOTE=Jame's;48627189]Because they aren't refugees, they're economic migrants. Like the Father of that child who washed up on the beach, they lived in turkey fine for 3 years prior but he wanted more money and free dental care. This whole situation is a fucking joke, the only reason people are so welcoming to them is because it makes them feel good inside.[/QUOTE] Do you really believe that every refugee is an "economic migrant"? People are dying. Do you have no sympathy for all the people that flees for their life, and all the civilian lives that's been lost? They are human beings.

I really hope that the coming winter will be mild.

[QUOTE=Gurant;48627373]Do you really believe that every refugee is an "economic migrant"? People are dying. Do you have no sympathy for all the people that flees for their life, and all the civilian lives that's been lost? They are human beings.[/QUOTE] I don't think he was saying every refugee is an economic migrant, but a good number of economic migrants are pretending to be refugees. This is an issue needs to quickly solve, it is good to accept refugees, but to let an endless amount of enomic migrants come into nations almost full...

[QUOTE=Gurant;48627373]Do you really believe that every refugee is an "economic migrant"? People are dying. Do you have no sympathy for all the people that flees for their life, and all the civilian lives that's been lost? They are human beings.[/QUOTE] They are human beings with much easier countries to migrate to if their life is really the main concern. I fully support taking care of as many human beings as possible but at what cost? Wouldn't it be better to build and stabilize the Middle East instead of cramming as many people into Europe as possible with tensions as high as they already are?

[QUOTE=Kasper9384;48627318]Underrated post[/QUOTE] snip

[QUOTE=Jame's;48627189]Because they aren't refugees, they're economic migrants. Like the Father of that child who washed up on the beach, they lived in turkey fine for 3 years prior but he wanted more money and free dental care. This whole situation is a fucking joke, the only reason people are so welcoming to them is because it makes them feel good inside.[/QUOTE] Fucking disgusting post, please tell me that you don't think that all refugees who go to the more western European countries are economical migrants.

[QUOTE=Gurant;48627373]Do you really believe that every refugee is an "economic migrant"? People are dying. Do you have no sympathy for all the people that flees for their life, and all the civilian lives that's been lost? They are human beings.[/QUOTE] My sympathies dry up when they willingly leave countries offering them support so they can go further away from their homelands to make money. Turkey has offered support, Israel offers support, Jordan has several refugee camps, Lebanon offers sanctuary. Why go further then these countries?

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;48627193]How do you know they aren't? Afaik those countries are flooded as well[/QUOTE] The richest countries in that region are not taking refugees though [editline]6th September 2015[/editline] Yes those countries are but they're already strapped. The ones who can afford it in that region aren't though

[QUOTE=WhatANiceName;48627621]Fucking disgusting post, please tell me that you don't think that all refugees who go to the more western European countries are economical migrants.[/QUOTE] You're no longer a refugee when you travel through multiple safe countries to get to the richest one. I'm not going to debate you if you get emotional.

it's honestly kinda disgusting how they choose and pick where they go beggars can't be choosers, you can't look a gift horse in the mouth, etc they complain about european nations not being "good enough" and not catering enough to them and some shit and want to choose where to go? like what i come from a refugee family myself my family took the first option they could get because anything was better than before for that reason we're scattered across a dozen countries today but we're happy because we're safe and that's all that matters in the end

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48627625]My sympathies dry up when they willingly leave countries offering them support so they can go further away from their homelands to make money. Turkey has offered support, Israel offers support, Jordan has several refugee camps, Lebanon offers sanctuary. Why go further then these countries?[/QUOTE] because the region is still unstable and they won't have nearly as much opportunities for a better life as they would in a developed country? furthermore, the governments may be offering their assistance but there's guarantee they'll offer much more, and judging from the way turkey, jordan and israel have handled refugees in the past, there's little reason they're suddenly gonna start caring for them. turkey has received many syrian refugees in the last few years, yet they still live in terrible refugee camps that are only "better" than their previous situation because no one is shooting at them anymore, yet they're still treated by hostility by the locals. they are desperate and have suffered things that are literally beyond your understanding; can you really blame them for wanting the best possible future for their families? legit can't believe people can't grasp this simple concept and have to make up these convoluted, nonsensical "they're only here because they can make more money and ergo live a better life than in the absolute mess that is the middle east". like, of course they are, dude, are you kidding me? who wouldn't do that?

[QUOTE=Jame's;48627189]the only reason people are so welcoming to them is because it makes them feel good inside.[/QUOTE] Isn't that the only reason anyone does anything though?