• Gaza exports have plummeted 97% since Israeli-blockade in 2007
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[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-exports-plummeted-under-israeli-blockade-130004156.html"]Source[/URL] [quote][B]Gaza's exports have dropped by 97 percent since 2007, limiting the chances that Gazans can wean themselves off of international aid.[/B][/quote] [quote] After a wave of international flotillas laden with humanitarian supplies for Gaza were headed off by Israeli forces, with one standoff resulting in nine deaths, Mahfouz Kabariti had a new idea: a reverse flotilla that would carry symbolic Gazan exports like embroidery, carpets, and dates to foreign customers. [B]Gazans need “trade not aid,” says the dapper Mr. Kabariti[/B] as he polishes his glasses at an open-air restaurant in Gaza City. The vast Mediterranean stretches into the distance behind him, a seemingly open portal to the world.[/quote] The blockade makes no distinction between civilian and military targets, from chocolate to A4 paper are among the items restricted by Israel. It's blatant collective punishment under guise of 'security'. Unemployment is soaring to 60-70%, but fundamentalist groups operating in Gaza are always recruiting with pay.
No shit.
"Blockade on region reduces amount of stuff coming out of region" I'm sorry, but how is this news again? Unless you want to highlight the fact that the exports are civilian which, again, this isn't really news.
yo know I bet moses would part the sea to allow trade through for them cause he didn't like his people being slaves, and he'd feel for the palestienans
[QUOTE=Glorbo;40779138]"Blockade on region reduces amount of stuff coming out of region" I'm sorry, but how is this news again? Unless you want to highlight the fact that the exports are civilian which, again, this isn't really news.[/QUOTE] It's still an atrocity.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;40779171]yo know I bet moses would part the sea to allow trade through for them cause he didn't like his people being slaves, and he'd feel for the palestienans[/QUOTE] I bet the IDF would shoot Moses for being a security risk.
What does Gaza even export?
[QUOTE=Ridge;40779661]What does Gaza even export?[/QUOTE] [quote]After a wave of international flotillas laden with humanitarian supplies for Gaza were headed off by Israeli forces, with one standoff resulting in nine deaths, Mahfouz Kabariti had a new idea: a reverse flotilla that would carry symbolic Gazan exports like embroidery, carpets, and dates to foreign customers.[/quote] First paragraph in the article. It's even in the OP.
[QUOTE=Ridge;40779661]What does Gaza even export?[/QUOTE] Fajr rockets. I'm just kidding, please don't hate me. I'm aware most of the Gazan exports are civilian and it's a great shame that Israel is embargoing it as such. They're essentially going for having the entire region in a stranglehold for the sake of "security" even though allowing the Gazans to export material wouldn't really establish any concrete way of an armed group within the strip to gain weaponry beyond already established means such as underground smuggling. It's just embargoing for the sake of embargoing, because the less resources they have to rebuild and the less money they have, the more likely they are to fall to Israeli government and its demands.
[QUOTE=Deadman;40779682]Fajr rockets. I'm just kidding, please don't hate me. I'm aware most of the Gazan exports are civilian and it's a great shame that Israel is embargoing it as such. They're essentially going for having the entire region in a stranglehold for the sake of "security" even though preventing the Gazans from exporting material doesn't really establish any concrete way of an armed group within the strip to gain weaponry beyond already established means such as underground smuggling.[/QUOTE] It's true though. Nothing tells people that your religion is peaceful and that you want a peaceful end to things like firing rockets indiscriminately at civilians.
[QUOTE=popbob;40779715]It's true though. Nothing tells people that your religion is peaceful and that you want a peaceful end to things like firing rockets indiscriminately at civilians.[/QUOTE] The thing is, these are the actions of militant groups within the strip itself and not the actions of Gazans themselves. What Israel is doing is not harming armed groups within Gaza, but the civilian population.
[QUOTE=Deadman;40779738]The thing is, [b]these are the actions of militant groups within the strip itself and not the actions of Gazans themselves.[/b] What Israel is doing is not harming armed groups within Gaza, but the civilian population.[/QUOTE] [quote]Hamas (Arabic: حماس‎ Ḥamās, "enthusiasm", an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah, "Islamic Resistance Movement") is the Palestinian Sunni Islamic or Islamist[5] organization, with an associated military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, [6] located in the Palestinian territories. [b]Since June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza Strip, after it won a majority of seats in the Palestinian Parliament in the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections[7] and then defeated the Fatah political organization in a series of violent clashes.[/b] Israel, the United States,[8] Canada,[9] the European Union,[10][11] and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization,[12][13] while Iran, Russia,[14] Turkey,[15] and Arab nations do not.[/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas[/url] I'm not sure how you can say it's just militants and extremists if the majority supported them through an election. This is what hamas does: [quote]From 1987 to 1991, during the first intifada, Hamas campaigned for the wearing of the hijab alongside other measures, including insisting women stay at home and be segregated from men, and the promotion of polygamy. In the course of this campaign, women who chose not to wear the hijab were verbally and physically harassed, with the result that the hijab was being worn 'just to avoid problems on the streets'.[214] Since Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in 2007, some of its members have attempted to impose Islamic dress or the hijab head covering on women.[67][215] Also, the government's "Islamic Endowment Ministry" has deployed Virtue Committee members to warn citizens of the dangers of immodest dress, card playing, and dating.[216] However, there are no government laws imposing dress and other moral standards, and the Hamas education ministry reversed one effort to impose Islamic dress on students.[67] There has also been successful resistance to attempts by local Hamas officials to impose Islamic dress on women.[217] Hamas officials deny having any plans to impose Islamic law, one legislator stating that "What you are seeing are incidents, not policy," and that Islamic law is the desired standard "but we believe in persuasion."[216] The Hamas education ministry reversed one effort to impose Islamic dress on students.[67] In March 2010, the BBC interviewed five "middle-class" women in Gaza City in March 2010, and all indicated there had been little or no change toward more conservative dress and mores.[218] In 2013, UNRWA canceled its annual marathon in Gaza after Hamas rulers prohibited women from participating in the race.[219][/quote] [quote]In 2005, the human rights organization Freemuse released a report titled "Palestine: Taliban-like attempts to censor music", which said that Palestinian musicians feared that harsh religious laws against music and concerts will be imposed since Hamas group scored political gains in the Palestinian Authority local elections of 2005.[220] The attempt by Hamas to dictate a cultural code of conduct in the 1980s and early 1990s led to a violent fighting between different Palestinan sectors. Hamas members reportedly burned down stores that stocked videos which they deemed indecent and destroyed books which they described as "heretical."[221] In 2005, an outdoor music and dance performance in Qalqiliya were suddenly banned by the Hamas led municipality, for the reason that such an event would be forbidden by Islam, or "Haram".[222] The municipality also ordered that music no longer be played in the Qalqiliya zoo, and mufti Akrameh Sabri issued a religious edict affirming the municipality decision.[221] In response, the Palestinian national poet Mahmoud Darwish warned that "There are Taliban-type elements in our society, and this is a very dangerous sign".[220][221][223][224] The Palestinian columnist Mohammed Abd Al-Hamid, a resident of Ramallah, wrote that this religious coercion could cause the migration of artists, and said "The religious fanatics in Algeria destroyed every cultural symbol, shattered statues and rare works of art and liquidated intellectuals and artists, reporters and authors, ballet dancers and singers – are we going to imitate the Algerian and Afghani examples?"[221][/quote] So, not only do they actively try to oppress the people they govern under the guise of religion by forcing them to wear certain clothing, not listen to certain music or watch certain movies, they spout anti-jew rhetoric real often: [quote]According to academic Esther Webman, antisemitism is not the main tenet of Hamas ideology, although antisemitic rhetoric is frequent and intense in Hamas leaflets. The leaflets generally do not differentiate between Jews and Zionists. [/quote] [quote]In 2008, Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing.".[65][236] Another Hamas legislator and imam, Sheik Yunus al-Astal, discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next". He concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews".[65][236][/quote] [quote]Hamas has been explicit in its Holocaust Denial. In reaction to the Stockholm conference on the Jewish Holocaust, held in late January 2000, Hamas issued a press release which it published on its official website, containing the following statements from a senior leader: This conference bears a clear Zionist goal, aimed at forging history by hiding the truth about the so-called Holocaust, which is an alleged and invented story with no basis. (...) The invention of these grand illusions of an alleged crime that never occurred, ignoring the millions of dead European victims of Nazism during the war, clearly reveals the racist Zionist face, which believes in the superiority of the Jewish race over the rest of the nations. (...) By these methods, the Jews in the world flout scientific methods of research whenever that research contradicts their racist interests.[249] [/quote] Hamas aren't just militants. They are more of the extremist tyrants on both sides that we see in the middle east today. To support their cause just means you're supporting a different side of the same coin. The real solution is to find a way for both sides to settle their differences and peacefully coexist, otherwise it'll never be over with and someone will always be getting the short end of the stick.
I've not much sympathy for them. They voted in an organisation of butchers and racists so here we are. The Palastinian identity is made up, most of them are Lebanese.
[QUOTE=popbob;40779882][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas[/url] I'm not sure how you can say it's just militants and extremists if the majority supported them through an election. This is what hamas does: So, not only do they actively try to oppress the people they govern under the guise of religion by forcing them to wear certain clothing, not listen to certain music or watch certain movies, they spout anti-jew rhetoric real often: Hamas aren't just militants. They are more of the extremist tyrants on both sides that we see in the middle east today. To support their cause just means you're supporting a different side of the same coin. The real solution is to find a way for both sides to settle their differences and peacefully coexist, otherwise it'll never be over with and someone will always be getting the short end of the stick.[/QUOTE] I used to think that peace is plausible, but it really isn't. This is sadly going to end by one side wiping the other one out, which hopefully doesn't trigger ww3 in the process.
[QUOTE=popbob;40779882]To support their cause just means you're supporting a different side of the same coin.[/QUOTE] No one supports Hamas' cause. Being against Israel's consistent flagrancy does not mean you automatically support Hamas. [QUOTE=jewdozer;40779935]I've not much sympathy for them. They voted in an organisation of butchers and racists so here we are. The Palastinian identity is made up, most of them are Lebanese.[/QUOTE] Quite possibly one of the dumbest posts I've read, but not much of a surprise coming from you.
What's this blockade even meant to do? Make people miserable?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40780077]What's this blockade even meant to do? Make people miserable?[/QUOTE] Yes. This was originally done to prevent people from smuggling weapons into Gaza, but then some moron was like Hurr, lets ban A4 paper! and other shit because it's a very good idea, everyone was liek yeh ok and shit happened, this country is retarded.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40779189]I bet the IDF would shoot Moses for being a security risk.[/QUOTE] Well technically he was a pyromaniac and set fire to a bush, and imported a dangerous snake through his staff. Clearly he is greatest thread to Jewish existence since Jesus, and his wine import racket.
[QUOTE=jewdozer;40779935]I've not much sympathy for them. They voted in an organisation of butchers and racists so here we are. The Palastinian identity is made up, most of them are Lebanese.[/QUOTE] So much stupid in one post. Very hard to comprehend what would make you think that.
Its not like blockading them will establish a fortress attitude where they will resist no matter what against the hated enemy who is starving them of resources.
[QUOTE=jewdozer;40779935]I've not much sympathy for them. They voted in an organisation of butchers and racists so here we are. The Palastinian identity is made up, most of them are Lebanese.[/QUOTE] You're not doing anything to prove the stereotype wrong do you.
[QUOTE=popbob;40779715]It's true though. Nothing tells people that your religion is peaceful and that you want a peaceful end to things like [B]firing rockets indiscriminately at civilians.[/B][/QUOTE] So the IDF are bad now? who knew...
I've no sympathy for the Israeli cause either, their right wing racist prime minister won't be happy until every Muslim gives up their claim to land. Hamas as an extremist organisation. Theres plenty of voices of dissatisfaction coming from people within Gaza about the way Hamas runs things. RT ran a docu film a while back on conditions there and its very rarely RT run anything that doesn't paint Israel in a bad light so this was unusual to see something condemning whats happening inside Gaza by its own masters. This also didn't help when Hamas leaders stepped out of a model rocket. [img]http://sadpanda.us/images/1620980-UYC0LG6.jpg[/img] Both sides are evil.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40779991]I used to think that peace is plausible, but it really isn't. This is sadly going to end by one side wiping the other one out, which hopefully doesn't trigger ww3 in the process.[/QUOTE] There is always hope for peace. They came so close to it in the 90s, they can get there again. It'll just take time. [editline]25th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=jewdozer;40779935]The Palastinian identity is made up, most of them are Lebanese.[/QUOTE] What does this even mean?
We all know that Israel is waiting for the day when it grows big enough balls to outright annex Palestine.
You'd think that Israel is purposefully trying to make the problems in the Gaza Strip worse.
Israel is born out of being treated as shit, thats why they enjoy having the upper hand now
[QUOTE=Ridge;40779661]What does Gaza even export?[/QUOTE] Child labor produced products
[QUOTE=Killergam;40790336]Child labor produced products[/QUOTE] Yes the area that has nearly 1/2 of its population out of work is using children has cheep labour.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40790388]Yes the area that has nearly 1/2 of its population out of work is using children has cheep labour.[/QUOTE] [url]www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/04/child-labor-gaza-economy-jobs.html[/url]
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